Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[dotr]

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

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''Ray said the first witness made a claim that Heuermann belonged to a “swingers club,” Le Trapeze, which was based in Midtown Manhattan, not far from where Heuermann worked as an architect. The witness said Heuermann had posted on a wall at Le Trapeze 27 years ago, asking for a sexual encounter at his Massapequa Park home.

The woman said her boyfriend in 1996 was an NYPD detective, referred to in a sworn affidavit as R.W.''

“In February 1996, R.W. picked up a woman I believe to be Karen Vergata in New York City, on the way to the Heuermann house,” the alleged witness said. “She was hungry and homeless.”

''Karen went downstairs,” the witness wrote. “I stayed upstairs. My partner, who I believe was bisexual, kept disappearing. I believed he was elsewhere in the house, having sex with Rex. I believe I had sex with Rex as well. I never went downstairs.”

The witness said when she and the off-duty detective left Heuermann’s house, “The woman I believe to be Karen suddenly ran outside, naked, and ran about by the garage. RW had gone to the back of the house to look for his belt, but he was then back in the car. RW told me not to worry about her, that she was okay, they were only playing a game. We left without her. I felt uneasy that we left without the woman.”

 

[Ruminations]

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This dampens my enthusiasm. But overall, Tierney aside, things are looking up for this investigation.

Geez, what's Tierney trying to say here? That only members of the task force have real evidence? Of course that's not true. Members of the task force gather evidence. And that evidence all comes from sources outside of the task force.

IMO, Tierney is suggesting he's not 100% committed to truth, as Harrison appears to be.

MOO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I have some concerns about Harrison choosing to stand next to John Ray publicly on this matter. Check out every story ? Yes. Appear to give credence to every story in a public way ? NOT wise, imo. I'll leave it at that.

 

[minazoe]

why do I feel like we are going to find out that MB was covering for RH and that RH was there at Brewers to swing?

mOO

 

[Just K]

why do I feel like we are going to find out that MB was covering for RH and that RH was there at Brewers to swing?

mOO

Did you mean JB (Brewer) or MP (Michael Pak)?

 

[Betty P]

Copies of the redacted affidavits.

Taxi Driver redacted_affidavit_1.pdf

drive.google.com

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

signing affadavits means the witnesses are willing to take the stand and testify under oath.

 

[minazoe]

Did you mean JB (Brewer) or MP (Michael Pak)?

sorry I meant Brewer..

 

[Betty P]

Did you mean JB (Brewer) or MP (Michael Pak)?

According to one of the witnesses, she had seen Shannan and Heuermann before. The cab driver was called to pick up Shannan at a motel. Shannan had locked herself in the bathroom when Rex became aggressive. Rex, left the room first, hiding his face, then Shannan came out next. She said something about these guys always wanting her to come out there to Long Island, but she didn’t like them.

When she saw Heuerman’s face in the news at his arrest, she recognized him. She called LE to report her encounters with Rex H, they took the info, but never had an officer call her back,

 

[Just K]

According to one of the witnesses, she had seen Shannan and Heuermann before. The cab driver was called to pick up Shannan at a motel. Shannan had locked herself in the bathroom when Rex became aggressive. Rex, left the room first, hiding his face, then Shannan came out next. She said something about these guys always wanting her to come out there to Long Island, but she didn’t like them.

When she saw Heuerman’s face in the news at his arrest, she recognized him. She called LE to report her encounters with Rex H, they took the info, but never had an officer call her back,

Yes, per John Ray, she said she called PD hotlines more than once.

This post reminded me:
Didn’t, Shannon lock herself in Brewer’s bathroom, too?

 

[dotr]

Witness 'SAW Rex Heuermann with sex workers whose remains were found'

Heuermann is charged with first- and second-degree murder in connection with the deaths of three victims, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman and Amber Costello.

www.dailymail.co.uk

By CLAUDIA AORAHA, 18 October 2023

Vergata's legs were found in a plastic bag at Davis Park on Fire Island’s Blue Point Beach nearly two decades prior on April 20, 1996. Her skull was then found off Ocean Parkway in 2011

 

[Mrs.A]

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This worries me. Are all the branches moving in different directions again? I sure hope not!

On the other hand, real people made the affidavits.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Copies of the redacted affidavits.

Taxi Driver redacted_affidavit_1.pdf

drive.google.com

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

signing affadavits means the witnesses are willing to take the stand and testify under oath.

Interesting that, in the 2nd affidavit, the "swinger" witness mentions a Christmas Tree, Valentines Day , a belt, a seashell on a bookcase, a fire in a barrel in the back of the house...all things that anyone following this case would know from media reports.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes, per John Ray, she said she called PD hotlines more than once.

This post reminded me:
Didn’t, Shannon lock herself in Brewer’s bathroom, too?

I don't recall that.

 

[Megnut]

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

pix11.com

''Ray said the first witness made a claim that Heuermann belonged to a “swingers club,” Le Trapeze, which was based in Midtown Manhattan, not far from where Heuermann worked as an architect. The witness said Heuermann had posted on a wall at Le Trapeze 27 years ago, asking for a sexual encounter at his Massapequa Park home.

The woman said her boyfriend in 1996 was an NYPD detective, referred to in a sworn affidavit as R.W.''

“In February 1996, R.W. picked up a woman I believe to be Karen Vergata in New York City, on the way to the Heuermann house,” the alleged witness said. “She was hungry and homeless.”

''Karen went downstairs,” the witness wrote. “I stayed upstairs. My partner, who I believe was bisexual, kept disappearing. I believed he was elsewhere in the house, having sex with Rex. I believe I had sex with Rex as well. I never went downstairs.”

The witness said when she and the off-duty detective left Heuermann’s house, “The woman I believe to be Karen suddenly ran outside, naked, and ran about by the garage. RW had gone to the back of the house to look for his belt, but he was then back in the car. RW told me not to worry about her, that she was okay, they were only playing a game. We left without her. I felt uneasy that we left without the woman.”

Bbm

To look for his belt...

 

[justtrish]

I wonder why they released this info. Is it to give others confidence or assurance about coming forward?

I am so surprised about the potential connection to Shannan. It seemed completely unrelated except for the location.

So much is implied by JR and these affidavits. He implies that a cop delivered KV to RH's house. That AE was complicit and racist. I don't want any of these implications to compromise trials. Maybe LE knows RH is going to plead guilty?

Is it possible they want his wife to say more or pressure her to speak to them? If they release these tidbits about her being home when xyz was going on, then maybe she can connect the dots and realize she should bring forth other info if she knows it and if she truly wasn't involved in his sick games and was afraid, maybe this will nudge her to speak up if she has more info. It was surprising to learn she was home and present for some things, but those other little parts about she was afraid of him, he took care of her.. sounds somewhat arranged almost. Maybe she looked the other way on the sex workers to keep the peace and keep her family. If she ever thought something else could be going on maybe she needed this to get her to speak up?

 

[DS2021]

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To look for his belt...

RW was the boyfriend of the witness, not Rex

 

[DS2021]

Copies of the redacted affidavits.

Taxi Driver redacted_affidavit_1.pdf

drive.google.com

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

signing affadavits means the witnesses are willing to take the stand and testify under oath.

So they just randomly picked Karen up of the side of the road and took her to a strangers house??

 

[DS2021]

So they just randomly picked Karen up of the side of the road and took her to a strangers house??

This doesnt make a ton of sense to me

 

[justtrish]

RW was the boyfriend of the witness, not Rex

Oh goodness wasn't there a belt buckle though that was a possible RW.. but they said could be RH initials.

Edited to add article. It wasn't RW or RH I was mistaken.

Gilgo Beach killings: Maureen Brainard-Barnes' remains bound with belt embossed with the initials 'WH' or 'HM,' DA says

The killing was not part of the indictment of alleged serial killer Rex A. Heuermann, though prosecutors have named him as the "prime suspect" in her slaying.

www.newsday.com

 

[Ursamajr]

I've been sitting with all of this new information all night. Some thoughts:

The reason Heuermann is sitting in a jail cell right now is because of Rodney Harrison. Harrison formed the task force within weeks of getting the job and then the task force had Heuermanns name within the month.

We learn today that one of the witnesses, who signed an affidavit, was taken to Heuermanns house along with Karen Vergata by a NYPD narcotics cop. Fun fact: Rodney Harrison is a former NYPD undercover narcotics cop. I know the witness says that they found Heuermann's house from a listing at the singers club but who saw that listing - the cop? Had he been there before? Why would this cop want to leave Karen Vergata who was clearly in distress according to the witness.

The moonlighting cab driver witness claims Heuermann tried to scam Shannan Gilbert and then she helped Shannan escape. Heuermann knew he had been seen and possibly requested the driver later on - telling her he was going to kill her. Was this after Shannan was murdered? Did Heuermann go over the events in his head and think this witness was the one who could possibly link him with Shannan? Heuermann had what appeared to be a police lanyard - fake or a trinket from a cop friend?

Shannan ending up at J Brewer's house in Oak Beach - rumors of it being a party house. Possibly swingers parties? Ex SCPD James Burke attended sex parties in Oak Beach. Heuermann said to be a swinger by multiple witnesses. Again, NYPD cop driving sex workers out to Heuermann's house and leaving them there. SCPD head Spota covering for Burke bungling this case for years.

NYPD/SCPD... Heuermann... Am I losing my mind or is there a bit of a pipeline starting to appear.

Come November, Rodney Harrison is most likely out of a job. The front runner for County Executive is Ed Romaine (R) and most likely will replace Harrison with someone who isn't a city slicker and also *looks* more like the politicians out in Suffolk - if you catch my drift. Harrison is the first black commissioner in the SCPDs history. He was also the first black Chief of Detectives in NYPDs 200 years.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb here by saying Suffolk County DA Tierney does not like Rodney Harrison. I'm very familiar with the politics around these parts. Tierney's office releasing a statement making it look like Harrison has gone rogue from the investigation when in reality Harrison is the one that got things moving in the first place for the very first time. Now we have Attorney John Ray and Commissioner Rodney Harrison telling potential witnesses they can come to them if they don't trust the SCPD/NYPD/Task force and then we have the task force and SCPD telling potential witnesses, no, only come to us.

Wow.

I am hoping I am wrong but, come November, this case may stall. I don't like any of this one bit. That and after this press conference, I am sure there are more bodies out on LI. I want to know which woods Heuermann told the taxi driver to take them to.