Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Keith417]

if her boyfriend only claimed to be a cop, I'm quite certain John Ray and Rodney Harrison would have said exactly that. This particular detail is easily confirmed or refuted, and is known to Ray and Harrison. They would NOT benefit from passing along the deception, and they have not demonstrated characters of persons who would pass along deception just because it would benefit them.

MOO

Exactly!

 

[Ruminations]

I have been thinking about what the cabbie said about Shannon calling a cab to the motel to drive her to the Ronkonkoma train station.
Didn’t Shannen have a driver? I have read that Pak was her driver but also her boyfriend was her driver. If she took the train at Ronkonkoma that would be a hour back to Manhattan and then have to either take the Path train or a Bus or another Cab to make it back all the way to NJ. That is a trek.
Does anyone know if Shannen always had a driver or not.

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

Yes, we only have Pak's word for that. Shannan's mother lived in upstate NY and didn't know a lot of details about her work. Her sister may be able to recall some details about those arrangements. I'm sure they have or will check with her.

 

[Ruminations]

You know we don’t really know all the evidence right now but maybe Esa is the one who helped the police get Rex. Didn’t someone write an email on the killing season and say I think my husband might me the Long Island serial killer?!!

I haven't seen evidence that Asa is helping LE. She doesn't have to legally AFAIK, but she might have ethical pressures, like nearly anyone would. As her sister said, it's both a relief this suspect is off the streets and tragic that the adult children have to endure this.

Asa's but-for-corruption felonious lawyer is encouraging hostility to LE. He's clearly not helping her help LE. I want there to be more good guys in this story. I hope you are right, and she dumps Macedonio.

MOO

 

[Just K]

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

It cannot be forgotten, Shannan was due to testify, in NJ, within days of her disappearance:
“Gilbert has a standing indictment in Hudson County as a co-defendant in a case concerning First Professional Referral Services, the escort service where she was allegedly employed, on charges of conspiracy and promoting prostitution, DeFazio said.


The main defendant, Joseph Ruis, was convicted of money laundering and sent to state prison on a five-year sentence, DeFazio said. Ruis has since been paroled.”

18-month-old mystery over Shannan Gilbert's disappearance may be over; reaction in Hudson

Police had resumed their search last week after studying images of clothing taken by an FBI plane that flew over and photographed the area

www.nj.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I always believed that John Ray was the good guy and that he was only made to look crazy by the bad guys pretending to be the good guys. I also thought it was very suspicious that a young sex worker ( Shannan Gilbert) who advertised on Craig’s list and back page called 911 saying that they are trying to kill me and then is never seen or heard from again. Her mother receives a call from a doctor on oak beach claiming he ran a home for wayward girls and that that Shannan was in his care but ran away. Then that doctor (Peter Hackett) denies Mari Gilbert’s claims saying he never contacted her but we find out that he was actually lying. When looking for Shannan Gilbert they start finding sex workers left and right and what a coincidence some of those sex workers advertised also on Craig’s list and back page.. so sorry but that’s too many coincidences for me but I believe this is way bigger than we think and that’s why this case has so many twist and turns and wasn’t solved 13 years ago. A lot of police seem to have connections to this case and a lot of rich people involved .

Back Page and Craig’s List at the time were the popular mainstream place where SW were openly advertising Adult Services online.
May 2009, Craig’s List adult services ads for NY City were 1,690 adverts per DAY.
Craigs list same year made $45 million from Adult Services ads. SW, and customers … many thousands of transactions a day and facilitating traffickers, pimps, predators ..

Backpage - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[fred&edna]

Joe Giacalone is interviewing Commissioner Harrison on his YT channel now.

 

[minazoe]

Honestly my imagination is going wild..I wonder exactly how many Men are directly involved in Shannen's murder?

 

[Just K]

Joe Giacalone is interviewing Commissioner Harrison on his YT channel now.

Is there a link?

 

[fred&edna]

Is there a link?

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[waldojabba]

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The interview with Rodney H has a lot of good info and well worth the watch
JMO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Honestly my imagination is going wild..I wonder exactly how many Men are directly involved in Shannen's murder?

This will be unpopular but don’t think evidence shows Shannan death consistent with LISK. Customer called on his personal phone (not burner), to his home (in gated community), she had a driver (witness), police were called customer talked to police, Shannan found right nearby no attempt to hide her belongings & ID. Not consistent with what’s known about RH methods.

 

[fred&edna]

This will be unpopular but don’t think evidence shows Shannan death consistent with LISK. Customer called on his personal phone (not burner), to his home (in gated community), she had a driver (witness), police were called customer talked to police, Shannan found right nearby no attempt to hide her belongings & ID. Not consistent with what’s known about RH methods.

I don't believe Shannan's death was accidental, at all. But, I am not convinced (nor have I seen evidence) her death was at the hands of RH.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

This will be unpopular but don’t think evidence shows Shannan death consistent with LISK. Customer called on his personal phone (not burner), to his home (in gated community), she had a driver (witness), police were called customer talked to police, Shannan found right nearby no attempt to hide her belongings & ID. Not consistent with what’s known about RH methods.

Her belongings were in the marsh (many would consider that to be hidden) behind the home of Dr. Peter Hackett. Her body was found across the marsh, closer to Ocean Parkway, similar to the other LISK victims just a short distance away on Ocean Parkway.

Her hyoid bone, in the neck, was damaged, a hole in the middle and two bone horns bent. That normally only happens when someone is strangled.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/us/new-york-shannan-gilbert-case/index.html

It could be Rex H, or it could be one of two other people with her when she disappeared - Pak and Dr. Peter Hackett. The LE investigation is looking to see if there's a connection between those two.

 

[hawkshaw]

Way back when Macedonio was speaking with me he was told a requirement to get his license back he was told he had to stop talking with me. Read the article and put it together.

 

[Betty P]

Way back when Macedonio was speaking with me he was told a requirement to get his license back he was told he had to stop talking with me. Read the article and put it together.

Thanks for the information. Which article are you referring to? TIA

 

[fred&edna]

Lawyers involved in suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann's case share close connections to each other:​

Michael J. Brown, the lead defense attorney representing Heuermann, is a veteran lawyer whose connections in the Suffolk legal community run deep. Brown, who has been in private practice since 1995, started his legal career as an assistant district attorney in the Suffolk District Attorney's Office with Ray Tierney, now the elected district attorney. Tierney, a former federal prosecutor who is leading the team of prosecutors trying the case against Heuermann, will likely square off against Brown in a Riverhead courtroom if the case eventually goes to trial.

Also in the mix is Robert Macedonio, a longtime criminal defense attorney and matrimonial lawyer who shared a legal practice with Brown for a decade, and is now representing Heuermann's estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, in her divorce action.

Justice Timothy Mazzei, as a prosecutor in 1989, Mazzei lead the prosecution effort in the retrial of the John Pius murder case. Pius was the 13-year-old whose body was found behind a Smithtown elementary school in 1979 with stones crammed down his throat.

A key witness in the Pius case was ex-Suffolk Police Chief James Burke, a convicted felon for beating a handcuffed prisoner inside a police precinct in 2012 and then conspiring to cover it up. Burke has gotten into more legal trouble recently, with his August arrest for sexual misconduct at a county park. His case is pending…

Vess Mitev, the Stony Brook-based defense attorney and Ray's former law partner — the relationship apparently ended acrimonously, though neither side would discuss the details publicly — is representing Ellerup's two adult children.

"We just went our separate ways business-wise," said Mitev, when asked about leaving Ray's firm in 2020. "Business partnerships, like any relationship, sometimes work out and sometimes end. And this one had run its course."

Ray, for his part, called the parting "a terrible thing that happened" and added: "I don't really care about him at all. I don't really think about him. My tendency is when people hurt me, I just leave them alone."

Gilgo Beach killings: Lawyers involved in suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann's case share close connections to each other

Dissecting the connections in the Gilgo Beach case among Suffolk's legal community.

www.newsday.com

Really, really interesting. I picked up on the Mitev and Ray association early on, but the others.... hmmm... Suffolk County full of bedfellows.

 

[Mrs.A]

This will be unpopular but don’t think evidence shows Shannan death consistent with LISK. Customer called on his personal phone (not burner), to his home (in gated community), she had a driver (witness), police were called customer talked to police, Shannan found right nearby no attempt to hide her belongings & ID. Not consistent with what’s known about RH methods.

I agree. It's a mystery for sure, and coincidences make it seem related.

But I have listened to the call from Shannan to law enforcement that night so many times. She does seem under the influence of a mind altering substance for sure to me (I've been around more than my share).

I know she says somebody is trying to kill me. She acts afraid of Pak sometimes but others asks not to be left behind. She is all over the place. If we're assuming RH is there and going to kill her, why isn't she talking about him?

It doesn't add up that Rex was there that night, even when I try to find him when interpreting the call. Weird stuff happened that night, but I don't think we have any idea what it was yet.

 

[minazoe]

Her belongings were in the marsh (many would consider that to be hidden) behind the home of Dr. Peter Hackett. Her body was found across the marsh, closer to Ocean Parkway, similar to the other LISK victims just a short distance away on Ocean Parkway.

Her hyoid bone, in the neck, was damaged, a hole in the middle and two bone horns bent. That normally only happens when someone is strangled.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/us/new-york-shannan-gilbert-case/index.html

It could be Rex H, or it could be one of two other people with her when she disappeared - Pak and Dr. Peter Hackett. The LE investigation is looking to see if there's a connection between those two.

He definitely has a propensity for inserting himself in situations , grandiose behavior and exaggeration..is PH still
off limits ? I know he is in litigation civilly,

mOO

 

[Ruminations]

This will be unpopular but don’t think evidence shows Shannan death consistent with LISK. Customer called on his personal phone (not burner), to his home (in gated community), she had a driver (witness), police were called customer talked to police, Shannan found right nearby no attempt to hide her belongings & ID. Not consistent with what’s known about RH methods.

The facts are popular with me. Theories that disregard them are unpopular with me.

In 2012 and until Rex's arrest, I was convinced Shannan was murdered by the same person or persons as the GB4. Then, I changed my mind. I felt Shannan's murder and LISK murders might have had their investigations sabotaged for the same reasons, but I moved away from thinking Shannan's murderer and LISK were the same.

Now, recent information is making me connect them again. Maybe.

The disturbing thing is with Gilbert, not only is the bungled investigation a conspiracy but it appears her murder was, too. As I begin to connect them again, I'm moving to the awful conclusion that many people were willing to let multiple murders slide with a "boys will be boys" attitude.

The facts as known could support the connected or not connected theory. I don't see how a fact based theory will be unpopular. I come to this site to hear a variety of intelligent and creative ways to connect the dots.

MOO