Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[minazoe]

there is a scene out east....I knew someone who used to hit those sex clubs in Manhattan in the 80's. these people are sexually very jaded and into some sick stuff. they get addicted to it. None of this stuff surprises me...
but it is sad and depressing to me that all this stuff went on around the children of these people...in their home which is supposed to be a safe place. I don't judge people, but honestly there is no such thing as wholesome swinging..it's seamy and dangerous ...

mOO

 

[Betty P]

there is a scene out east....I knew someone who used to hit those sex clubs in Manhattan in the 80's. these people are sexually very jaded and into some sick stuff. they get addicted to it. None of this stuff surprises me...
but it is sad and depressing to me that all this stuff went on around the children of these people...in their home which is supposed to be a safe place. I don't judge people, but honestly there is no such thing as wholesome swinging..it's seamy and dangerous ...

mOO

Agree. For some its sex addiction, especially when you make it part of your children's home life. What the heck.

 

[fred&edna]

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[MothMothison]

there is a scene out east....I knew someone who used to hit those sex clubs in Manhattan in the 80's. these people are sexually very jaded and into some sick stuff. they get addicted to it. None of this stuff surprises me...
but it is sad and depressing to me that all this stuff went on around the children of these people...in their home which is supposed to be a safe place. I don't judge people, but honestly there is no such thing as wholesome swinging..it's seamy and dangerous ...

mOO

BBM IMO in general, to each their own and I dont think we can judge people as bad people for being into things that are not illegal.

 

[Mrs.A]

BBM IMO in general, to each their own and I dont think we can judge people as bad people for being into things that are not illegal.

But just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's appropriate for kids.

 

[Keith417]

John Ray and Rodney Harrison indicated it was not a random woman. The cop boyfriend knew her, but John Ray said they did not yet know how the cop came to know her.

Your theory sounds viable to me. But there is no "probably" in THAT the cop knew her.

In fairness, there is a "probably" in that woman being Karen Vergata, but I think a very strong probability, since Ray and Harrison gave the name.

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Yes I do know that - but to me and this is only my opinion after I started reading the depositions of those on oak beach and I always felt Shannan Gilbert’s death was an accident do to a drug induced psychosis but when Rex Heurmann was caught that when I started to suspect that Shannan Might not actually be a victim of Rex but definitely someone in that gated community of oak beach. But not with the new press conference that just came out with those two witnesses statements. That blew my mind and now I am starting to think this was a very big scandal that most likely a lot of people new about.. I mean we have so many shady people who are involved with this case and I am also starting to think<modsnip - not victim friendly> This is just my thoughts.

 

[Sundog]

the former swinger story is chilling.

I think about how she must feel. Her actions were understandable, but she must be ashamed of not doing something differently. I see how it happens that one might defer to their detective bf to make a judgement call. But I also see how much she must regret it.

I wonder if that same kind of feeling haunts AE. Maybe she make understandable but regrettable decisions, too.

MOO

Totally conjecture about AE. The "witness" isn't part of the investigation by LE, and hasn't been cross-examined to determine credibility.

AE continues to be a victim.

 

[Sundog]

I don't think anyone knows who is paying him.

I just think, if the witness is right (and it can be verified) that Rex and Asa were involved with the Trapeze swinging club and having swinging parties at their home on the regular, Asa has seen a lot of people. Swinging is primarily done with couples, no single people allowed. That's the way most clubs are and the way "swingers" prefer it. Only learning this from reading stuff the last couple of days. If Rex was going to a club, he needed to bring a partner. That would have been Asa or a sex worker.

If they had a card up at Trapeze inviting people to swinging parties at their house, Asa would have needed to be part of that. So, she's done this before. She knows the people involved. The witness from the swinging encounter said there were several law enforcement people who were members at Trapeze and a group from Long Island.

Asa knows stuff. She may not have participated in the killing of these women, but she probably knew it was happening or strongly suspected stuff.

Just speculation about AE. No cross-examination of "witness" or that she is part of LE investigation. AE is a victim.

 

[Sundog]

I would hope Asa would talk to the police about all of this.

I don't know why she would, since this isn't part of the LE investigation, it is part of JR's personal investigation. AE has no reason to talk to LE since they are not involved.

 

[x_files]

I don't believe Shannan's death was accidental, at all. But, I am not convinced (nor have I seen evidence) her death was at the hands of RH.

jmo

I find her death extremely suspicious and am not convinced she passed out in the marsh and died by accident.

 

[x_files]

I don't know why she would, since this isn't part of the LE investigation, it is part of JR's personal investigation. AE has no reason to talk to LE since they are not involved.

If she is AWARE her husband is guilty I would hope she's talk!

 

[x_files]

there is a scene out east....I knew someone who used to hit those sex clubs in Manhattan in the 80's. these people are sexually very jaded and into some sick stuff. they get addicted to it. None of this stuff surprises me...
but it is sad and depressing to me that all this stuff went on around the children of these people...in their home which is supposed to be a safe place. I don't judge people, but honestly there is no such thing as wholesome swinging..it's seamy and dangerous ...

mOO

Inviting strangers into your house for sex parties involving drugs is dangerous on its own then add innocent children to the mix. Not good.

 

[Sundog]

It's very clear John Ray had good reason to hold that press conference the other day. These connections show how close this case could be derailed in court.

Why is Macedonio representing AE? Can any locals shed light on that?

Can Gov. Hochul and Letitia James be of any help in finishing the investigation?

It's likely that AE's attorney was referred to her by the attorney for RH. RH's attorney was a former law partner with Macedonio, so it would be understandable that he would refer AE to his colleague when it became clear right away that she needed her own attorney and that RH's attorney couldn't help her because of conflict of interest.

Don't see anything nefarious here, just the usual referral to a colleague you know well. Lawyers, doctors, do this all the time.

 

[x_files]

But just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's appropriate for kids.

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[Sundog]

Maybe Rex’s wife was a mail ordered bride and once she came to America she found out that he was a lunatic but couldn’t break free easily bc of her son having special needs..

<Snipped for focus>

Asa wasn't a mail-ordered bride, her family emigrated from Iceland to the U.S. She went to school here.

 

[Just K]

Yes I do know that - but to me and this is only my opinion after I started reading the depositions of those on oak beach and I always felt Shannan Gilbert’s death was an accident do to a drug induced psychosis but when Rex Heurmann was caught that when I started to suspect that Shannan Might not actually be a victim of Rex but definitely someone in that gated community of oak beach. But not with the new press conference that just came out with those two witnesses statements. That blew my mind and now I am starting to think this was a very big scandal that most likely a lot of people new about.. I mean we have so many shady people who are involved with this case and I am also starting to think<modsnip - not victim friendly> This is just my thoughts.

Yes, there is no reason to eliminate the possibility of any people close to RH or any of his associates/acquaintances as a possible accessory to the crimes with which he has been indicted/charged.

 

[waldojabba]

Totally conjecture about AE. The "witness" isn't part of the investigation by LE, and hasn't been cross-examined to determine credibility.

AE continues to be a victim.

Agree
According to Rodney Harrison in the interview posted upthread and reposted here - the 4 witness statements will be investigated and if found to be credible they will go from there.
As of right now nothing in those statements from the four witnesses that came forward to JRay has been verified.
So yes Asa is def still a victim.
So interesting to me that so many want to believe anything and everything “bad” about her. I am not sure what the rush is to trash her. If her status changes and it’s warranted there will be plenty of time

Rodney also indicated imo that he stood by John Ray in the press conference to signal to the public that he wants as much info and as many tips through whatever channel the informants wants to deliver it. That all tips are going to be investigated by the task force but if someone is not comfortable submitting tips directly to the task force they should use whatever channels they are comfortable with.
He was not standing by JRay to indicate that the information JRay was delivering was credible.
And he also seemed to acknowledge that he knew the identity of RW- the narcotics LE guy mentioned in the statement about driving out to the Island to Rex’s with Karen
to “swing”.
JMO

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[Betty P]

BINGO! THANK YOU!
Most of the sex parties involve street drugs so there's an element of danger and criminal behavior.

I wonder how many people who hung out at Trapeze back in the day were shocked to see Rex. H's photo when he was arrested for murdering the Gilgo Beach 4? Those people probably aren't going to talk, and I can't blame them, but there must have been a lot of people who never realized they were "swinging" with a serial killer.

 

[Betty P]

It's likely that AE's attorney was referred to her by the attorney for RH. RH's attorney was a former law partner with Macedonio, so it would be understandable that he would refer AE to his colleague when it became clear right away that she needed her own attorney and that RH's attorney couldn't help her because of conflict of interest.

Don't see anything nefarious here, just the usual referral to a colleague you know well. Lawyers, doctors, do this all the time.

Yes, it's all interconnected - the linked attorney friends who are prosecuting Rex and defending his children and wife. At least the attorney representing the victims isn't part of the "inside circle" of friends.

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In my opinion, there was nothing remarkable about Karen's appearance. She wasn't overly heavy or overly skinny...not 6 foot tall or 3 feet tall. She didn't have platinum blond hair, or pink hair. No "droopy" eye, or large birthmark. Just nothing that made her particularly stand out. She looked...

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[x_files]

I wonder how many people who hung out at Trapeze back in the day were shocked to see Rex. H's photo when he was arrested for murdering the Gilgo Beach 4? Those people probably aren't going to talk, and I can't blame them, but there must have been a lot of people who never realized they were "swinging" with a serial killer.

If we could only hear the gossip in NY right now!
I'm sure plenty of folks crossed his path and feared discussing it with their friends or family.
Many aren't gonna say a word.