Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Not a Belle]

I wonder what the desired outcome of this is. If she isn’t being charged with anything, what’s the end game? It seems gratuitous to me; obviously disturbing, but does that make it actionable?

 

[fred&edna]

John Ray claims that VH created the sadistic art herself.

I thought he said she created some and others she was just viewing. I could be wrong, tho.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

John Ray claims that VH created the sadistic art herself.

Depicting sadism is not necessarily enjoying it.

I don't know how she feels, but I'd bet traumatized, victimized and dirty for engaging with her attorney and Peacock.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I wonder what the desired outcome of this is. If she isn’t being charged with anything, what’s the end game? It seems gratuitous to me; obviously disturbing, but does that make it actionable?

Maybe to suggest... LI Task Force on this case should be doing more for the betterment of everyone.

jmo

 

[Diddian]

I wonder what the desired outcome of this is. If she isn’t being charged with anything, what’s the end game? It seems gratuitous to me; obviously disturbing, but does that make it actionable?

It seems like it might be actionable for an attorney working on behalf of VH, who was just publicly insinuated as some kind of participant or observer in RH's activities based on illustrations that one might see among many who attend Comic Con and other of those types of events (or anyone who has ever watched the Hannibal series, or Hannibal movies, or for that matter - Breaking Bad series).

Horror is a genre - of books, of movies, of some social gatherings. And participating in such is NOT an indicator of criminality.

 

[Oddsocks]

Art is art

 

[Not a Belle]

Maybe to suggest... LI Task Force on this case should be doing more for the betterment of everyone.

jmo

Possibly, but what specifically does this enable them to do? If it is a matter of charging her, then it seems that would have been done. If they are not able to charge her based on these things, then how does this help Ray’s (or any other) case?

In my profession, frequently people assume the more information, the better. This is not necessarily true, and I ask myself daily, in collecting and managing information, now that I have this information, what do I do with it? I am asking myself the same thing here, and coming up empty. Is there an enforceable action to be taken at this point, or is this intended to apply pressure in some way, or is it just because he could (or some other option)?

 

[Ruminations]

Yep, she was a literal child.

He's kink shaming someone who is not connected to any crime except by way of having a family member who did very bad things, for which he is awaiting trial.

There are plenty of people who are furries. There are plenty who like vore art. The vast majority of those have never and will never commit a violent crime.

Many people also create art for fandom and kink communities, ESPECIALLY furries. Furries love having art made of their fursonas, and have a reputation for being generous, considerate customers towards the artists they commission, which, as the partner of a fan artist, let me tell you is FAR from the norm. Too many people out there want something for nothing, and furries as a community are known to be better than the average to work with.

Just because someone does furry or vore fanart doesn't necessarily mean it's their personal kink, just that that's where they have an audience.

I'm done with Ray. He's lost whatever credibility he had in my eyes.

MOO

We need this information.

She is a witness.

Nobody is saying she committed a violent crime.

She is not being tapped for her ability to solve a violent crime.

If she is deliberately not helping LE build a case against her father, that is NOT a crime. But it is a choice. I don't approve of that choice, if indeed she is making it.

If she is passively accepting bad legal and business advice, that, too is NOT a crime. But it is a choice. I don't approve of that choice if indeed she is making it.

Her likely trauma and victimhood is real. I do support any efforts she makes to cope with it. Including with creative expression. I have nothing against her expressing herself as a furry or a visual artist. That said, expression gets reactions, and people who are horrified by her art are entitled to be horrified.

MOO

 

[BUF]

I guess that I am just speechless after watching this bizarre PC and need time to digest it.

 

[indicolite22]

Depicting sadism is not necessarily enjoying it.

I don't know how she feels, but I'd bet traumatized, victimized and dirty for engaging with her attorney and Peacock.

MOO

In a way it means that you are drawn to it. Apparently she did not hide her interests from family. Most parents would be horrified to learn something like that about their children.

 

[Eaglette]

From that presser:
VH had signed her" art".
Clearly the artwork with the bruised eye removed from TARGET HOUSE - (1st raid) was important after all ! Macabre

Depictions of cannibalism - dismemberment - violent poO rnography it is all circumstantial yet disturbing evidence John Ray has said, all viewed online. Butt plugs mentioned. Gags.
Digital content shared online - and some VH had deleted online.
Talk about VH Tumblr account under another name.

It all comes back to the real life coffee table book in the kitchen - and cartoon gore (art)

I am "shook" at the horror and goth in that house.
JR has implied all the family knew what was going on in that house.
Mention AE went to "places" also. JR has dropped a bombshell just now.

Fiction in that house that RH turned into reality (with innocent women dead) - very sickening

 

[Dre]

Yep, she was a literal child.

He's kink shaming someone who is not connected to any crime except by way of having a family member who did very bad things, for which he is awaiting trial.

There are plenty of people who are furries. There are plenty who like vore art. The vast majority of those have never and will never commit a violent crime.

Many people also create art for fandom and kink communities, ESPECIALLY furries. Furries love having art made of their fursonas, and have a reputation for being generous, considerate customers towards the artists they commission, which, as the partner of a fan artist, let me tell you is FAR from the norm. Too many people out there want something for nothing, and furries as a community are known to be better than the average to work with.

Just because someone does furry or vore fanart doesn't necessarily mean it's their personal kink, just that that's where they have an audience.

I'm done with Ray. He's lost whatever credibility he had in my eyes.

MOO

There’s so much context you’re separating though. There are connections in her art to his killing routines, and the fact these things happened in this woman’s own basement for her ENTIRE life. It does mean something.

I think John Ray is somewhat unethical and also salacious. But her interests, obsessions and expressions all in the context of her father being a serial killer points heavily to a horrific socialization, to me.

With that said
She was a child, she is indeed a victim as well, and if there’s no evidence that she was involved, this PC was just BS fodder. Not helpful for investigative purposes

All jmo

 

[Izzylizzy]

How do we know RH was using his daughter's accounts to access this material?

Even if RH did it was VH's accounts.

JR said most of her accounts were deleted so can LE find out when they were deleted?
On or soon after July 13,2023?
Did LE seize her phone that day?

 

[Eadfrith]

hmmmm... well, I didnt expect to see that today.

 

[OnTheCase40]

"This should be investigated"

Agree. But, why is it like this?

It is like this because LE has forced it to be like this. They should have portrayed the family as cooperative witnesses from day one.

I think like this is better than not at all. But I wholeheartedly agree there are other ways. LE refused the other ways. And thankfully, John Ray stepped in with this unpleasant presentation.

MOO

Thankfully? John Ray should be disbarred for what he is doing right now. JMO

 

[Eaglette]

Mods are going to have a field day cleaning up this Thread today !!

 

[Just K]

How do we know RH was using his daughter's accounts to access this material?

That is my question, too.

 

[fred&edna]

Possibly, but what specifically does this enable them to do? If it is a matter of charging her, then it seems that would have been done. If they are not able to charge her based on these things, then how does this help Ray’s case?

I doubt all charges against RH have been filed... there could be another tomorrow or a year from now. One would assume continued investigation and testing of evidence in two MAJOR home searches is still on-going. LE can charge anyone at any time. LE can have detectives also delve further into any AE/VH... and public pressure on LE doesn't always hurt further investigations... sometimes it helps.

jmo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Ambushed? Harrison had a long and successful career as an intelligent law enforcement professional by making critical decisions ongoing throughout his career. This was a planned and detailed press conference that I'm certain Harrison thought out thoroughly before agreeing to participate in. I find it insulting to his character and legacy that you'd declare he made a colossal mistake by standing with a lawyer who has being fighting for justice for these women for decades.
MOO.

I didn't " declare " anything. I simply stated my own personal opinion.

 

[iamshadow21]

There’s so much context you’re separating though. There are connections in her art to his killing routines, and the fact these things happened in this woman’s own basement for her ENTIRE life. It does mean something.

I think Ray Tierney is somewhat unethical and also salacious. But her interests, obsessions and expressions all in the context of her father being a serial killer points heavily to a horrific socialization, to me.

With that said
She was a child, she is indeed a victim as well, and if there’s no evidence that she was involved, this PC was just BS fodder. Not helpful for investigative purposes

All jmo

It's burning a victim in effigy for her art, her likely trauma, and possibly her sexuality.

It doesn't help the case, it just hurts an individual that can have had NO part in the murder of the six known victims, because she was either a young child on holiday away or not even born yet.
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MOO