Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Mountain_Kat]

No worries, I edited it to add her name.
That case is much older and they admitted their participation plus evidence placed them there, with video recordings.
Since John Ray mentioned this particular older case I delved back into it.
So far the FBI only views Rex as the lone serial killer.

Toybox Killer, do I have that right ? I'm going to look into this later tonight when I get into bed.

 

[x_files]

Toybox Killer, do I have that right ? I'm going to look into this later tonight when I get into bed.

yes, WARNING it is GRAPHIC.
One of the worst cases of sadism.

 

[Adrian33]

Aye, John Ray (huh..There’s no forehead slap emoji?)
I went through ALL the emotions during and after that PC. I'm more than ready to sit that art info on the back burner.
I'm now more interested in two comments I thought I heard from John Ray. Unfortunately, I will have to re-watch (or listen) to figure out when he said these things.

And please, if I heard wrong, correct me. Because there was a lot going on and it’s possible I misunderstood.

1. Something about RH being linked to Pandora's Box Bd$m club in NYC?

- First time I heard this and I can't find anything in the news or online about it. If anyone has any info on this connection, please share. TIA

2. "Massapequa" being written down in one of Shannan's notebooks as an appointment. (I'm pretty sure the young woman leaned over to remind John Ray of that bit of info before he mentioned it)

- I would love to see that notebook..and the only time I do recall seeing a notebook with Shannan's handwriting was during one of the tv specials where Mari - her mom was in their home, showing Shannan's things. I think. So I'll probably rewatch some old specials this weekend.

Sounds like maybe I’ll file these two under the same category with the “they didn't check into the hotel until the 17th" story..
I don't know if John Ray likes to spread rumors or if he's throwing us hints.

 

[Izzylizzy]

The were some very explicit and graphic warnings on these blogs cautioning you before entering.

 

[cenazoic]

it would not change my view of her. She is a victim and a witness.

Ruminations, I understand the argument you’re making. I also under the arguments @Mountain_Kat is making, and the feelings they’re expressing.

Regardless, I did just want to pop up and say that I appreciate how calmly and patiently you’ve made and restated your arguments, even if I’m a bit ambivalent about them. It’s a real skill that I aspire to!

 

[Izzylizzy]

Aye, John Ray (huh..There’s no forehead slap emoji?)
I went through ALL the emotions during and after that PC. I'm more than ready to sit that art info on the back burner.
I'm now more interested in two comments I thought I heard from John Ray. Unfortunately, I will have to re-watch (or listen) to figure out when he said these things.

And please, if I heard wrong, correct me. Because there was a lot going on and it’s possible I misunderstood.

1. Something about RH being linked to Pandora's Box Bd$m club in NYC?

- First time I heard this and I can't find anything in the news or online about it. If anyone has any info on this connection, please share. TIA

2. "Massapequa" being written down in one of Shannan's notebooks as an appointment. (I'm pretty sure the young woman leaned over to remind John Ray of that bit of info before he mentioned it)

- I would love to see that notebook..and the only time I do recall seeing a notebook with Shannan's handwriting was during one of the tv specials where Mari - her mom was in their home, showing Shannan's things. I think. So I'll probably rewatch some old specials this weekend.

Sounds like maybe I’ll file these two under the same category with the “they didn't check into the hotel until the 17th" story..
I don't know if John Ray likes to spread rumors or if he's throwing us hints.

I also heard JR's reference to HR patronizing "Pandora's Box".

He said it again yesterday that he represents survivors of RH so possibly he got that info about RH and the club from one of them?
The other possibility that comes to mind is about LP the swinger whose ex-boyfriend the prior NYC narc.
I heard JR refer to him in an interview after he had LP at his Jan 2024 event that they knew where he was from in Queens NY and that the lifestyle/swinger LP claimed they did together lined up with his past.
At the time of JR's presser with Rodney Harrison in Oct.2023 they had his name and IIRC: had spoken with him?
RH may have been known to go there from other SW or the narc?

 

[Warwick7]

The were some very explicit and graphic warnings on these blogs cautioning you before entering.

I appreciate this. Because it really needs to be. These graphic articles and these graphic pictures over the last 2 days including more to come, really need a warning cautioning us. I appreciate what you just said.

 

[fred&edna]

Aye, John Ray (huh..There’s no forehead slap emoji?)
I went through ALL the emotions during and after that PC. I'm more than ready to sit that art info on the back burner.
I'm now more interested in two comments I thought I heard from John Ray. Unfortunately, I will have to re-watch (or listen) to figure out when he said these things.

And please, if I heard wrong, correct me. Because there was a lot going on and it’s possible I misunderstood.

1. Something about RH being linked to Pandora's Box Bd$m club in NYC?

- First time I heard this and I can't find anything in the news or online about it. If anyone has any info on this connection, please share. TIA

2. "Massapequa" being written down in one of Shannan's notebooks as an appointment. (I'm pretty sure the young woman leaned over to remind John Ray of that bit of info before he mentioned it)

- I would love to see that notebook..and the only time I do recall seeing a notebook with Shannan's handwriting was during one of the tv specials where Mari - her mom was in their home, showing Shannan's things. I think. So I'll probably rewatch some old specials this weekend.

Sounds like maybe I’ll file these two under the same category with the “they didn't check into the hotel until the 17th" story..
I don't know if John Ray likes to spread rumors or if he's throwing us hints.

I'm looking back through some OLD SG threads and a quick search provided posts that referenced MPak (SG's driver) living in Massapequa, and another stated the "drifter" in JB's house had family who lived in Massapequa. I'm still looking through old posts and also will attempt to see if there are any working links to verify.

 

[fred&edna]

This thread is interesting...

Massapequa connection to LISK

So, police are still saying they don't believe Gilbert's death is related to the serial killings...and we've pretty much exhausted our discussions about Gilbert IMO... So lets get back to the other victims again for a bit. I've always been intrigued with the Massapequa factor. Barthelemy's...

www.websleuths.com

ETA: Particularly starting on Page 2 with BDSM house party in... Massapequa!

Massapequa connection to LISK

True, but I noticed a big trend on the list. There are a lot of pedo's on there. So I would look at the charge and the penalty to determine the severity of the crime. My system was to narrow it down to the violent criminals. You will run across a few violent criminals on there, and a few who...

www.websleuths.com

 

[LadyL]

Why would he be sued when they are freely available on social media to be reposted???

You may be right. I'm researching the U.S. guidelines right now. In Canada, the creator retains copyright of items shared to social media.

 

[Teche]

I also heard JR's reference to HR patronizing "Pandora's Box".

He said it again yesterday that he represents survivors of RH so possibly he got that info about RH and the club from one of them?
The other possibility that comes to mind is about LP the swinger whose ex-boyfriend the prior NYC narc.
I heard JR refer to him in an interview after he had LP at his Jan 2024 event that they knew where he was from in Queens NY and that the lifestyle/swinger LP claimed they did together lined up with his past.
At the time of JR's presser with Rodney Harrison in Oct.2023 they had his name and IIRC: had spoken with him?
RH may have been known to go there from other SW or the narc?

Was there a name/number written on the swinger’s club tied to Rex? Maybe I’m confused.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I appreciate this. Because it really needs to be. These graphic articles and these graphic pictures over the last 2 days including more to come, really need a warning cautioning us. I appreciate what you just said.

At JR's presser yesterday the blog warning were read aloud.
What still amazes and baffles me is that as far as I know just about all SK'ers families claim being oblivious to any odd behaviors or red flags etc. throughout their years living with the convicted or accused SK.
I'll never understand why AE/VH appear to have gotten a pass from the get-go on the possibility of being a help to LE's investigation.
Maybe that applies to all the families of prior SK'ers?
If true, I take that as LE being quite naive in thinking families would speak up and if they don't then they know zilch, which is hard to swallow.

 

[Adrian33]

This thread is interesting...

Massapequa connection to LISK

So, police are still saying they don't believe Gilbert's death is related to the serial killings...and we've pretty much exhausted our discussions about Gilbert IMO... So lets get back to the other victims again for a bit. I've always been intrigued with the Massapequa factor. Barthelemy's...

www.websleuths.com

ETA: Particularly starting on Page 2 with BDSM house party in... Massapequa!

Massapequa connection to LISK

True, but I noticed a big trend on the list. There are a lot of pedo's on there. So I would look at the charge and the penalty to determine the severity of the crime. My system was to narrow it down to the violent criminals. You will run across a few violent criminals on there, and a few who...

www.websleuths.com

“Large downstairs dungeon” !!!

 

[LadyL]

yes but it seems that she painted the vegetation and replaced it with one more similar to that on the Gilgo beach... my impression without judgment

was this painting of hers that duplicates the Hannibal image presented at the press conference?

I wonder where that human skull came from in her art.

where? the pieces in the press conference aren't hers - only one of them is and there's no skull in it I don't think

 

[Kudzu]

This thread is interesting...

Massapequa connection to LISK

So, police are still saying they don't believe Gilbert's death is related to the serial killings...and we've pretty much exhausted our discussions about Gilbert IMO... So lets get back to the other victims again for a bit. I've always been intrigued with the Massapequa factor. Barthelemy's...

www.websleuths.com

ETA: Particularly starting on Page 2 with BDSM house party in... Massapequa!

Massapequa connection to LISK

True, but I noticed a big trend on the list. There are a lot of pedo's on there. So I would look at the charge and the penalty to determine the severity of the crime. My system was to narrow it down to the violent criminals. You will run across a few violent criminals on there, and a few who...

www.websleuths.com

I just read through this Massapequa thread. I’m fairly new to following LISK, and mad respect to all of you who have doggedly been here since the very beginning. How interesting to see your thoughts in 2012! I’m honored to be here with you today. *applause*

 

[Izzylizzy]

Was there a name/number written on the swinger’s club tied to Rex? Maybe I’m confused.

I'm confused what you mean by the name/number and where it could be written.

I just googled "Pandora's Box" NYC and there was no way in hell I was going to click on any of the numerous links after reading the snips. lol

 

[fred&edna]

It's nearly unreal to see how close RH's house was to Amber's. So, so sad.

ETA: 1112 america ave west babylon ny to 105 1st Ave massapequa ny is 7.2 miles

 

[LadyL]

The real objectification of women is seen in the sexualized, mutilated women produced by both the SK in real life and by his daughter in images. If you want to understand the artist, you have to look at his painting.

what image(s) did she produce except for the one 'work in progress - oil on canvas'?

 

[LadyL]

The problem I see with this presser is how then does one explain "all the people who read/draw like VH did" who are NOT children of serial killers. The mere interest of VH in this is absolutely zero towards "evidence" (even circumstantial IMO) that she "must have known" (as some have said), "was groomed", "saw his photos", was exposed to his victims etc or else how did all those others' interested in it become so?

A quick google of "Gore Art" leads me to believe it's actually pretty popular with some. And expensive (probably because it's not mass produced like your average Walmart wall hanging). Lots of Pinterest and Instagram accounts posting it up etc too. Clicking on google images, many of the photo icons lead to sites where this art can be purchased. It obviously has a market. Not the kind of genre that I'm into, but obviously many are. Not my taste for wall hangings. The presser leaves me with no answers as to whether or not this is the only genre she chose to explore with her artistic talent or not.

As to the "Girl on Antlers" photo ... OMG - that is a photo straight taken out of the Hannibal TV Series. Sigh. I should have turned off the "presser" immediately at that point. Guilt of what? Circumstantial evidence of what? Millions of people watch this series. Unreal - IMO.

As to the photo commentary by JR that apparently links VH to the crimes of her father:
at 23minutes - JR: "take a look at this photo she was looking at. There's people hanging. But look partcularily at this particular person hanging. There's a shoe missing. Sandra Costillo was found with a shoe missing. This seems to be a fetish that was indulged in byRex Hueurmann. A fetish that is depicted and looked at by his daughter. That's a connection". What!!?? It's a photo VH allegedly looked at that shows FOUR people hanging. ONE is missing a shoe - the right shoe. SC was missing her left shoe. That individual is not the focus of the artwork. This is proof of a foot fetish and a "connection" to her knowledge of the crimes of her father? IMO: Please.

Next photo (24m13s): JR: "Perhaps this is a stretch but perhaps not, but look at the hairstyle and consider RH's hairstyle." Just wow. The photo is in anime style with the individual having long hair draped over their face and sideburns. It in no way, shape or form minutely "resembles" RH's hairstyle IMO.

Next photo VH looked at: JR: "appears to be the remains of a human being who looks half eaten." Then he brings up VH looking a site about cannibalism. Okay. Not a site I'd look at, but how exactly is this evidence (even circumstantial) of VH's involvement or knowledge? I'll just state: The VERY first and only time I've heard cannibalism inferred or suspected in ANY of the RH cases was this very comment by JR in this presser. IMO, just another realllllly long stretch on his part to infer this links VH to her father or her father's crimes. Heck, even RH hasn't been accused of cannibalism. Someone please provide the link if I am wrong one this point.

Next photo: (25m 45s): JR: "If you look, it has a strange familiarity when you see it because the torso shows that the arm is chopped off at the elbow. And the head is of course disconnect as well. And the body is being cut up into pieces. The hands and so on. Slicing up as if it were for food (again the cannibalism reference which has not, to date, been even alleged in the RH cases)... IMO: Meh: dismemberment happens most frequently at the joints in any case of this type it seems to me. The fact this artwork shows an arm chopped at the elbow and every single other conceivable joint too (note that none of RH's victims were found dismembered to that extent) is really "circumstantial evidence" of nothing connected to RHs crimes or crimes scenes IMO.

Next he moves on to necrophelia. What!!?? Has there been any allegation of that against RH in any of his cases? Someone please link if so. Again, circumstantial evidence of nothing alleged thus far to be a part of RH's crimes.

On "Furries" (kind of like Trekkies, but furry IMO): at least 250 000 of them in the United States. Conventions and the whole nine yards. Was/is VH a furry? This presser doesn't tell us the answer to that, but if so, are the other 249 999 of them the children of serial killers? I don't believe so, so I'll assume that if she is a furry that fact too is not even "circumstantial evidence" of her "knowing/being aware of", "being exposed to", "grooming of her", "seeing RH's victim photos etc" else how did all those other 249 999 people come to enjoy dressing as fantasy animal furries (beam them up Scottie)?

As John Ray states at 13m mark of the presser about not feeling sorry for VH because, "she's a 27 year old woman who tore off the cloak of her victimhood when she chose to take a handsome profit for herself and for her lawyer from Peacock for openly displaying the pretend picture of this innocent little girl persona who had nothing to do with what went on in that house. She did that at the real victims expense ...." This is an outright assertion by him that she "had something to do with what went on in that house". This comment was based on the fact that when RH was first arrested she was photographed outside in her everyday street clothes, but then "here's the real her" when showing a social media photo of her with makeup etc and not in street clothes. OMG - millions of us who have photos on our facebooks etc dressed up and not in our everyday street clothes mus be suspect now. Guess what? BOTH can be the "real" her or "the real me" for crying out loud - it's a far cry and an extreme stretch of the reality of the world to suggest that implies she was involved in what her father did in that house. He also says, "what she has witnessed, what she has perhaps gone beyond witnessing - you draw the inferences". No wonder the police opted not to show at this presser.

JR (59m05s): "This girl has becomes accustomed to liking what you see here and that just didn't happen in the air. That happened because somebody did something." Really? How about all those other 249 999 people etc? The inference must be then that something happened to all of them or that they are all children of serial killers because "it just doesn't happen in the air". Meh - it sure can happen out of the air. In Jr High and High School in the 80s, our art teacher absolutely hated the projects turned in by a friend of mine. Ghoulish and gory stuff - painitings, drawings and sculptures alike. She always tried to get him to try a different genre because he was truely talented. He always pushed back with a 'no' as that was where his interest and talent rested. These days, you've probably all experienced his work if you've seen Predator - Prey, Stargate etc. Mike makes monsters. He's an award winning Master of MakeUp and Special Effects. He contributes t a horror core website as well. Also does very high priced comissions. I follow his instagram which also has some of his work from Jr High & High School on it. I've shared some of his stuff (drawings and monster modelling). I guess I probably should be investigated. My house is full of true crime genre books etc.

On the "Coffee Table Book" : apparently now "a book of photos of dismembered prostitutes". No it isn't. It's a book of vintage Los Angeles crime scene photos - some of whom probably are prostitutes and some of them may be depicted dismembered. Regretably, prostitues are an unfairly and disproportionally targetted group for serious crimes exactly because LE tends to take decades to get off their duffs and take their "disappearances" seriously ... or just plain old doesn't investigate. (Witness for example: LISK, Robert Picton, Cottingham etc).

Anyway - that's my take on the "circumstantial evidence" aired in that 'presser' advertised by JR as proof that Rex Heuermann did not lead a double life (ie: that his family was aware and involved) in big gaudy font. It marks the last time I'll give him time.

this is everything
thank you!

 

[LadyL]

OMG. Shudder. The painter or pic creator is ripe for an asylum. MOO

I see several things, which might be connected to the killings of RH's victims. I paid attention also to the fact, that painted hands of the torturers are different from each other: women's hands or rather men's hands. I paid attention to the fact, that not all victims are women but also men. I paid attention to the fact, that one pic shows a mother with babies. One pic shows a torturer (his breast area only) behind the victim, holding the victim, and TWO (!!) sets of women's hands are torturing the victim with needles (so as if 3 persons were involved in torture). The hanging people above a corridor are men and women, it seems. One person to the right is wearing stilettos, I think. JR already mentioned the one person to the left, who missed one shoe.

So, men, women, babies - all are represented in these pics/paintings. AND a metal bed in a torture room. One painting I can't recognize well: it looks like a table seen from below somehow, but there are many little lamps to the right and the left, which I don't understand.

I am still horrified. Much.

you saw several things that weren't even created by VH