Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[NoSpoonFeeding]

And also, okay, under "Problems," we have "Photos?" Why the "?" If he's got the film, and he's in the house, photos are no issue.

Maybe photos are a problem because he would want access to them but they are such damning evidence that they have to be hidden where it is impossible for them to be accidently found or found by an actual search. If he just had them on a cellphone or digital camera/device, I would think they would be "pics" but they would still need to be hidden. Maybe his copier at the office could print "photos" for him. Maybe he wanted them printed to spread them out or make an album. I don't think they've found this cache, unless it's a secret until they are ready to charge him with more murders.
Rodney Alcala rented a storage locker under his own name, RH would know better. Others have hidden photos in vents (behind heating registers, etc.),in drop ceilings, and buried in a box. It's not my hard opinion that this is what RH's question mark/problem meant, I really don't know.

 

[james1962]

Maybe photos are a problem because he would want access to them but they are such damning evidence that they have to be hidden where it is impossible for them to be accidently found or found by an actual search. If he just had them on a cellphone or digital camera/device, I would think they would be "pics" but they would still need to be hidden. Maybe his copier at the office could print "photos" for him. Maybe he wanted them printed to spread them out or make an album. I don't think they've found this cache, unless it's a secret until they are ready to charge him with more murders.
Rodney Alcala rented a storage locker under his own name, RH would know better. Others have hidden photos in vents (behind heating registers, etc.),in drop ceilings, and buried in a box. It's not my hard opinion that this is what RH's question mark/problem meant, I really don't know.

Maybe photo's was to remind him to switch out Sims cards as they could have been hidden more easily

 

[Betty P]

Aug.27,2023
45 days after RH's arrest and Asa and
VH & CS had yet to be interviewed.
Why is that?

JMO, that was highly unusual. Perhaps Macedonio was refusing to allow Suffolk PD to interview them? It's odd because, in a way, they're all on the same team or at least part of the same law enforcement family.

 

[fred&edna]

Aug.27,2023
45 days after RH's arrest and Asa and
VH & CS had yet to be interviewed.
Why is that?
Are we to gather that AE/family has never been interviewed 11 months later?

“She knew nothing about any of this,” Mr. Macedonio said in a phone interview. “If it happened, he was leading a complete double life.”

Mr. Macedonio said that investigators had never interviewed Ms. Ellerup or the couple’s children and that there was no indication they would be charged.

“She hasn’t even begun to process what he’s being charged with,” Mr. Macedonio said. “She’s still putting her own life back together.”

Once Rarely Seen, Gilgo Beach Suspect’s Family Now Barbecues on the Lawn (Published 2023)

After Rex Heuermann was charged in a notorious string of murders, neighbors assumed his wife and children would vanish. They haven’t.

www.nytimes.com

Whether they were all there or on the moon, one would think questions would have been asked long before 45 days!! Especially if they expect him to be the killer of more than one or two or four. Now, they are WAY behind on getting additional information. JMO

 

[Betty P]

In 2018, RH gave testimony in a vehicular related lawsuit where he was the plaintiff. He discussed his "handedness" (left v right) at that time. I've had this testimony in mind whenever someone raises this issue. I'm going to try to paste it right in here with the link.

On p79, the questioner asks RH if he is right-handed or left-handed.
A. Left.
Q. So do you write with your left hand?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you play any sports?
A. Really only thing I competed in was competition rifle.
Q. If you were to throw a baseball, what hand would you use?
A. Actually, my right. It's the only thing I do right-handed.
Q. Did you ever bowl in your life?
A. At some point, I remember being on a bowling alley--I have not been on a bowling alley in, probably, twenty/20 something years.
Q. If you were to bowl, throw a bowling ball, which arm would you use?
A. Anything that I throw, I do right-handed.
Q. If you were to swing a bat or a golf club, would you do that right-handed or left-handed?
A. Last time I swung a golf club or a bat, again, would be twenty-something years ago; would be right-handed.
Q. I assume when you say you write with your left hand, are you claiming to be left-handed or right-handed?
A. I am left-handed.
Q. What else would you do left-handed?
A. Pretty much almost anything else. Swing a hammer is left-handed. The use of any carpentry tools is left-handed. If I was to throw a baseball or a dart, that would be right-handed.
Q. When you eat--
A. Left.
Q. ~--do you cut your meat with your right hand and hold the fork in the left hand and then feed yourself with your left hand --
A. I use --
Q. ~--or do you switch?
A. I have been known to switch. The majority of the time my fork is in the left hand.
Q. Okay, but when you're cutting meat, right-handed people cut their meat, they put their knife down. They put their fork in their right hand and they eat. That's what righties do. Lefties -- which I am --cut their meat and feed themselves with their left hand. Do you know what you do?
A. I feed myself with my left hand.

Evidently, this is a really complicated issue for RH.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

Good catch on this interview! It's relevant, or it seems so. JMO

 

[Not a Belle]

Whether they were all there or on the moon, one would think questions would have been asked long before 45 days!! Especially if they expect him to be the killer of more than one or two or four. Now, they are WAY behind on getting additional information. JMO

I’m not sure that’s an accurate assumption. I don’t think they would necessarily share information about interviews with the public. MOO.

 

[Betty P]

I’m not sure that’s an accurate assumption. I don’t think they would necessarily share information about interviews with the public. MOO.

In the article linked above, it was noted by @Izzylizzy that Heuermann's wife's attorney stated that at 45 days after Rex's arrest, AE, VH and CS had not yet been interviewed by LE.

 

[fred&edna]

I’m not sure that’s an accurate assumption. I don’t think they would necessarily share information about interviews with the public. MOO.

Well, whenever LE informed family of evidence against RH, former Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison states, RH's wife said, "Okay, it is what it is." So there's some info that's public.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife allegedly told cops: 'Ok, it is what it is'

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison recalled the moments after Rex Heuermann's arrest, including what he did -- and didn't -- say to police.

www.fox5ny.com

 

[LadyL]

Is it known if he parked in the garage? It seems so small and with them being hoarders, I suspect it's packed full of stuff. His truck and jeep are not small either. There are photos of his vehicles parked on the street and driveway, and neighbors have reported the same. I do wonder how he got women into his home, unseen and unheard by the neighbors.
MOO.

there's a picture at this link of the garage supposedly after they put the belongings back in ... no room for vehicles

Rex Heuermann’s family releases photos of ravaged home after cops wrecked house

Rex Heuermann’s family reveal the mess that was left behind after authorities tore through the house after two weeks of search warrants.

nypost.com

I think he took the victims in through the back basement entrance that goes directly down into his 'dungeon' - picture at the link below (assuming it was possible to enter the backyard from either side of the house)

NY cops end search of Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s home, family can move back in

Cops have pulled whatever evidence they could from the “very cluttered” Long Island property of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann.

nypost.com

 

[LadyL]

Haven't we wondered why Megan Waterman changed hotels? Now from his planning docu, I suspect it was because the first one was unacceptable as a pick-up location because of cameras. My guess is that RH directed her to another hotel with fewer/no security cams. As for hitting harder, perhaps he did go to a secluded location, then knock the SWs out. That would be necessary to bind them and put them either in the back of the pickup or in the floorboard on the passenger side. He could keep an eye on them here. But with the locked bed on the Avalanche, even if a victim came to during the drive, she could not get out, nor would she have been seen when he pulled into his driveway and into the garage. In my opinion, getting the women into the house was not a problem as they were out-of-sight in the vehicle and he drove into the garage, put the door down and unloaded them. Perhaps they were bagged or wrapped in plastic for transport through the house so they would not leave DNA.

Just trying to imagine scenarios here. Complete speculation, of course.

I really don't think he would've been able to fit a vehicle into that garage. In the following link, there's a picture of the garage seemingly after LE had returned the hoard they had removed for inspection and it's packed full.

Rex Heuermann’s family releases photos of ravaged home after cops wrecked house

Rex Heuermann’s family reveal the mess that was left behind after authorities tore through the house after two weeks of search warrants.

nypost.com

 

[LadyL]

He offered to drive her to his home first. When she refused, he offered to drive her to her home.

NIkki said he did not offer to drive her to her home
it's in the video you posted at about 3:50

 

[LadyL]

Ya know... I'm surprised they didn't in either search! Or if they did, I missed it. Surely they had enough evidence prior to obtaining the 2nd search warrant.

jmo

according to this link, they did in 2023 - but I watched the video and didn't see any

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann may have killed victim in soundproof room; cops using cadaver dogs to search yard

Cops have reportedly found a soundproof room in the basement of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s home where they believe at least one woman may have been killed.

nypost.com

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Well, whenever LE informed family of evidence against RH, former Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison states, RH's wife said, "Okay, it is what it is." So there's some info that's public.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife allegedly told cops: 'Ok, it is what it is'

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison recalled the moments after Rex Heuermann's arrest, including what he did -- and didn't -- say to police.

www.fox5ny.com

MOO The news is interested in shocking, catchy headlines, the better for clicks. likes and upvotes. Why did they choose that headline instead of the other part of the quote from that article? Where they implying something or were they just showing the wife's resignation and reluctant acceptance of the situation?

What was made public was an expression she is reported as saying on the day RH was arrested and her home was searched, To be clear, the wife is being quoted by Harrison and Harrison is being quoted by the news. The wife is not being directly quoted by the news. Harrison said:

"When we told the wife, she was shocked, she was embarrassed. But there was a point where we showed her certain pictures and she said, ‘OK, it is what it is.'"

It did not say it was whenever the family was shown evidence against RH (for the murders). We don't know for a fact what pictures were shown to her. I don't think at that point they would be showing her the actual physical evidence, but did it prove to her that he was involved with SW's.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife allegedly told cops: 'Ok, it is what it is'

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison recalled the moments after Rex Heuermann's arrest, including what he did -- and didn't -- say to police.

www.fox5ny.com

 

[willy wagtail]

Haven't we wondered why Megan Waterman changed hotels? Now from his planning docu, I suspect it was because the first one was unacceptable as a pick-up location because of cameras. My guess is that RH directed her to another hotel with fewer/no security cams. As for hitting harder, perhaps he did go to a secluded location, then knock the SWs out. That would be necessary to bind them and put them either in the back of the pickup or in the floorboard on the passenger side. He could keep an eye on them here. But with the locked bed on the Avalanche, even if a victim came to during the drive, she could not get out, nor would she have been seen when he pulled into his driveway and into the garage. In my opinion, getting the women into the house was not a problem as they were out-of-sight in the vehicle and he drove into the garage, put the door down and unloaded them. Perhaps they were bagged or wrapped in plastic for transport through the house so they would not leave DNA.

Just trying to imagine scenarios here. Complete speculation, of course.

Maybe he carried a large suitcase , toolbox or trunk

 

[willy wagtail]

Since it was 2015, it may have been a while since he tried to lure a victim. Perhaps he decided to cease his trolling after the bodies at Gilgo Beach. He was probably out of practice.

Getting older , ill health or just changed MO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

A Palm Pilot was mentioned as one of the devices RH used. It was hand held organiser. Could write on screen & if diverted to text. I attach a link to his users were supposed to write using the little stylus. Left handed user might be worse accuracy.
Note strokes for letters and numbers and punctuation. And all uppercase. Looks easy to make mistakes, if notes are for own use as reminders prob not a big deal.

Graffiti (Palm OS) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[nhmemorymaker]

In 2018, RH gave testimony in a vehicular related lawsuit where he was the plaintiff. He discussed his "handedness" (left v right) at that time. I've had this testimony in mind whenever someone raises this issue. I'm going to try to paste it right in here with the link.

On p79, the questioner asks RH if he is right-handed or left-handed.
A. Left.
Q. So do you write with your left hand?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you play any sports?
A. Really only thing I competed in was competition rifle.
Q. If you were to throw a baseball, what hand would you use?
A. Actually, my right. It's the only thing I do right-handed.
Q. Did you ever bowl in your life?
A. At some point, I remember being on a bowling alley--I have not been on a bowling alley in, probably, twenty/20 something years.
Q. If you were to bowl, throw a bowling ball, which arm would you use?
A. Anything that I throw, I do right-handed.
Q. If you were to swing a bat or a golf club, would you do that right-handed or left-handed?
A. Last time I swung a golf club or a bat, again, would be twenty-something years ago; would be right-handed.
Q. I assume when you say you write with your left hand, are you claiming to be left-handed or right-handed?
A. I am left-handed.
Q. What else would you do left-handed?
A. Pretty much almost anything else. Swing a hammer is left-handed. The use of any carpentry tools is left-handed. If I was to throw a baseball or a dart, that would be right-handed.
Q. When you eat--
A. Left.
Q. ~--do you cut your meat with your right hand and hold the fork in the left hand and then feed yourself with your left hand --
A. I use --
Q. ~--or do you switch?
A. I have been known to switch. The majority of the time my fork is in the left hand.
Q. Okay, but when you're cutting meat, right-handed people cut their meat, they put their knife down. They put their fork in their right hand and they eat. That's what righties do. Lefties -- which I am --cut their meat and feed themselves with their left hand. Do you know what you do?
A. I feed myself with my left hand.

Evidently, this is a really complicated issue for RH.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

Good information....
We hear court cases where they try to rule something out or in, because of a perps left or right handedness.
In THIS case, I feel they may have experts who will be able to discuss mixed type.

As I am the same as RH, and have talked to other left handers like this over the years, some of us are just as RH described here... we are really RIGHT dominant for STRENGTH.
LEFT dominant for PRECISION.

I know I hammer both.... again, based on precision or strenght...
I bet he does too.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I’ve been wondering the same Forest_Wood. If individuals were taken into the house……. and out….. how? With minimal chance to be observed.

IIRC someone way upthread mentioned that the circa 2012 Chevrolet Avalanche passenger compartment might have a rear pass-through to the covered rear compartment? Some call it a mid-gate. (As contrasted to a tail gate.) It allows access to the rear bed through the front compartment. The rear seats are first folded down and access is then gained.

Pretty sure access to YT videos is disallowed. If you Google ‘chevrolet avalanche rear seat fold down‘ or the like - there is a video from Ramey Chevrolet entitled “Chevy Avalanche Mid-gate demonstration” that demonstrates this in less than 2 minutes. (Note also in that video the removed rear glass is not properly secured as it should be before attempting this maneuver.)

RH driveway IIRC is about double vehicle wide, single narrow garage door…. If the victim was in the cab, then placed in the rear seat area and then rear covered tailgate compartment (via the above pass through fold down) - then backing the truck into driveway and could have had access to the garage via the opened tailgate. (From some other video of the quarters, I would be amazed if that small garage was empty….. or empty enough to contain that full-sized vehicle.)

And as I complete this, perhaps this is another reason RH wanted that vehicle IMO? MOO

Yes, posters have described that covered rear compartment with the pass through on the Avalanche.

I am only confirming again, because I really do think this was quite strategic vehicle selection vehicle to do his "work".

 

[nhmemorymaker]

once convicted his DNA is going to Codis...he must have felt so smug, all this time no one knew his little secret..mOO

What national DNA registries are available before CODIS?

 

[Just K]

In the article linked above, it was noted by @Izzylizzy that Heuermann's wife's attorney stated that at 45 days after Rex's arrest, AE, VH and CS had not yet been interviewed by LE.

Does anyone know how soon after the arrest Macedonia was hired or brought on? I just feel like many folks have known about RH for a very long time and it’s as if they have all been waiting for that day when as it were, “the other shoe would drop.” Did RH have incriminating evidence on any big wigs? It’s just seems a bit too convenient that Macedonia, with his links to Spota, to alleged bribery, drug possession, etc (mid-late 2000s,) would be on this case, possibly shutting down the cooperation of three key witnesses, almost from the time of RH’s arrest. Who contacted whom, first? Did AE call Macedonia or visa versa? Did RH suggest Macedonia or could his lawyer Michael Brown have suggested Macedonia? The answer to the questions could revel so much.