Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Megnut]

#New 2002 dismemberment of NYC drag performer #AndreIsaac, known as #SugarBear, is getting serious look as potential #LISK victim. Ice skaters discovered Isaac’s head embedded in pond near Forge River in #Moriches in January 2002. Look at the geography.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806100967626264942

How does someone recover from THAT discovery?

More and more I begin to understand why criminals are charged by the State. It was individual and personal for each victims, then around that, there are loved ones, families and friends, searchers, locator, LE -- so many people wounded -- these really are crimes against humanity. What goes wrong inside a brain that a man can go to work by day and dismember another human being before bed? How much horror has RH perpetuated? The count seems to have just begun.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

#New 2002 dismemberment of NYC drag performer #AndreIsaac, known as #SugarBear, is getting serious look as potential #LISK victim. Ice skaters discovered Isaac’s head embedded in pond near Forge River in #Moriches in January 2002. Look at the geography.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806100967626264942

Not pushing this partnership between Bittrolff and Heuermann, although it may exist. But there's arguably some kind of association, some connection. Source: "Suffolk County property records show Mr. Bittrolff purchased his home in Manorville in 2003. His previous addresses include Shirley, Center Moriches and Mastic Beach, according to records."

Manorville man charged in two cold case murders - Riverhead News Review

A 48-year-old Manorville man was arrested Monday in connection with a pair of cold case murders from the 1990s, Suffolk County Police announced late Monday night. John Bittrolff of Silas Carter Road, in Brookhaven Town, is accused of killing two women and dumping their bodies in wooded areas in...

riverheadnewsreview.timesreview.com

Source on Sugar Bear's remains: "...a landscaper cleaning the wooded property of a newly constructed home in Moriches found the partial remains of Andre Isaac, a professional drag performer known as 'Sugar Bear.'...Investigators later used DNA to confirm the remains belonged to the 25-year-old from East New York, whose severed head ice skaters previously found embedded in the frozen Forge River on Jan. 25, 2003." (Forge River is a 10 min drive from JB's high school)

Taking Bittrolff out of the picture entirely, Moriches is about 20 mins drive from Sayville, associated with Heuermann (John Ray witness/Shannan Gilbert). And North Sea (where they found Sandra Costilla) is about 30 mins drive from Moriches. It's a 30 minute drive, too, to Hauppauge, where Megan Waterman is seen in that hotel footage, probably more like 20-25 with no traffic. And of course, Peconic Sportsman's Club in Manorville, where RH was spotted, and that's a 20 min ride south to Moriches.

 

[eishish]

So you have hit, miss lead, a 9mm gun, a hunter. Andrew Roberts is a writer, but dont think he was the meaning. Oh, if one only looked up those words. Ugh

As a addendum HK doc could be his

Heckler koch is a gun company. HK

Edit, also Hk 2002 is a gentlemans knife. Torture use?

 

[eishish]

As a addendum HK doc could be his

Edit, also Hk 2002 is a gentlemans knife. Torture use?

Hk 2002-4 could very well be the gentlemans knife with 4 being at time,the body count. Got rid of document or he thought he did...could be another document held for trial. Moo

 

[LadyL]

I was curious too.

July 28,2023

"Heuermann, 59, can watch television, including the news, and request newspapers, though he has not yet asked for a copy of the paper, Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Victoria DiStefano told The Post Thursday.

The jail does not offer access to the internet."

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann snubbed by family, who have not visited him in jail

The life Heuermann knew as a successful, married, New York City architect was completely upended July 13, when he was arrested in connection with the murders of at least three women.

nypost.com

oh I bet that is so frustrating for him
can't read all about himself to stroke his ego

 

[LadyL]

"looks like a duck,quacks like a duck"

Rex Heuermann ‘not capable’ of Gilgo Beach serial killings, his estranged wife says

“I have given Rex the benefit of the doubt, as we all deserve.”

nypost.com

I think if anyone in my family were accused of something so heinous, I would say the same - until I saw evidence - LE showed her pictures but of what? probably of his visits to sex workers but not likely any proof of murder ... she'll have to wait for court for that and hopefully changes her tune then

 

[LadyL]

Who knows...
She might just be collecting data to enhance her own"book" or "press" in the future

would they allow a documentary crew inside the jail with her? if RH agreed?

 

[snooptroop88]

would they allow a documentary crew inside the jail with her? if RH agreed?

Much as I don't like saying it, I will definitely be watching that documentary once it's finally released. (Whenever that will be...)

I wonder if anyone will protest at its release (?)

 

[eishish]

21 southwest is also a boat. Small in size

The 21 sw is a lobster boat named after a maine area. Megan was from ma. Also note-a common size home lot is up to 60feet. That wld make a area on property in the sw, 21 ft corner of interest. Of course this may be noted and kept confidential for trial

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think if anyone in my family were accused of something so heinous, I would say the same - until I saw evidence - LE showed her pictures but of what? probably of his visits to sex workers but not likely any proof of murder ... she'll have to wait for court for that and hopefully changes her tune then

IMO:
Who needs proof of murder ?
Does she think the evidence used against her husband in his bail applications/indictment/superseding indictments that list the most evil, heinous,desires and actions were just made up by the prosecution including the DNA evidence that connects her husband, daughter and herself?
If that in itself didn't make her cut all ties with husband then nothing will and expect her to continue defending him for years as the investigations continues and if he ever goes to trial and is convicted then come the appeals on each murder conviction.

 

[Izzylizzy]

But she's NOT really estranged, is she? She visits, she hasn't divorced him yet, correct?

IMO:
She's right there with him along for the ride, so to speak.
No news on the divorce being finalized but I doubt she'll go through with it.
She's got the Peacock money now and also if she divorces him the state can compel her to testify against him if he ever goes to trial.

 

[Ruminations]

IMO:
Who needs proof of murder ?
Does she think the evidence used against her husband in his bail applications/indictment/superseding indictments that list the most evil, heinous,desires and actions were just made up by the prosecution including the DNA evidence that connects her husband, daughter and herself?
If that in itself didn't make her cut all ties with husband then nothing will and expect her to continue defending him for years as the investigations continues and if he ever goes to trial and is convicted then come the appeals on each murder conviction.

I couldn't agree more. It does not make sense to reserve judgment on the basics. Murder and dismemberment are bad; you don't need to see the evidence.

I understand supporting a family member accused of horrific crimes. You might think them not guilty; you might be in denial. You might understand their special circumstances and have more forgiveness than the general public. You might think they are just as guilty as the prosecutors are saying, but still want the best possible legal outcome for a loved one.

But it is manipulation to claim you have to wait for court to form an opinion if you are a family member. There is plenty of information for all of us to discuss. 14 threads and still going strong. Sharing that opinion? Optional. A family member can say they are remaining private. But they are certainly forming an opinion.

I understand that it is the opinion of the jurors that matters for conviction or acquittal. But a family member is not a juror. They don't have a responsibility to stay neutral in making their decision. It's the opposite; they are expected to have an opinion that the jury is to be protected from. Efforts are made to illicit only facts and not opinions from witnesses who might have a bias.

The wife obviously does not want privacy. She's sending her criminal lawyer everywhere to speak for her. She also signed a large contract to sell her connection to the alleged atrocities.

She's getting her side out in public. She's not waiting for more information.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

I think if anyone in my family were accused of something so heinous, I would say the same - until I saw evidence - LE showed her pictures but of what? probably of his visits to sex workers but not likely any proof of murder ... she'll have to wait for court for that and hopefully changes her tune then

Wouldn't most of us try to support a family member? And perhaps we might feel sure the accusation were wrong from what we KNOW. However, the evidence presented in the bail documents (available for AE) seems so conclusive -- he was leaving the office at 8:30 the night he was arrested; neighbors say he burned things late at night -- my memory would bring all those uneasy times back. Even if I had not known at the time, I feel fairly certain my memories and the evidence presented in the documents would take my mind to the truth. Perhaps she will remain outwardly supportive regardless. Some spouses do.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wouldn't most of us try to support a family member? And perhaps we might feel sure the accusation were wrong from what we KNOW. However, the evidence presented in the bail documents (available for AE) seems so conclusive -- he was leaving the office at 8:30 the night he was arrested; neighbors say he burned things late at night -- my memory would bring all those uneasy times back. Even if I had not known at the time, I feel fairly certain my memories and the evidence presented in the documents would take my mind to the truth. Perhaps she will remain outwardly supportive regardless. Some spouses do.

Asa claims all she knows is what the media is reporting.
IMO:
That in itself tells you that if she admits to having read all the evidence the prosecution has put forward against her husband then she couldn't try and play stupid, a ruse she failed miserably at.

 

[Ruminations]

#New 2002 dismemberment of NYC drag performer #AndreIsaac, known as #SugarBear, is getting serious look as potential #LISK victim. Ice skaters discovered Isaac’s head embedded in pond near Forge River in #Moriches in January 2002. Look at the geography.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806104323144995185

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806102515835949412

Andre Sugar Bear Isaac's Mom has been a class act. I cannot imagine losing a young adult child like that- so violently. She is my role model I hope I never need to emulate. She has kept her child's memory and murder investigation alive.

I wonder what is new on the case, if anything. A year ago, LE seemed to draw a line to Rex while denying it, releasing ballistic info that seemed easy to connect with the guns seized.

(OTOH, what kind of gun did Rex NOT have?)

Yet Sugar Bear does seem like a LISK victim. He was briefly on the official webpage for the case. The FBI is investigating his case which only makes sense if - his murder is connected to an FBI case.

I wonder what is prompting Mary Murphy to bring him up. I don't think there is anything new reported since nearly a year ago. I could be wrong. But I think these reports are the traditional news network version of the internet thread *bump*.

I'm looking forward to answers for Suagr Bear and his mother and other family and friends.

MOO

 

[x_files]

Wouldn't most of us try to support a family member? And perhaps we might feel sure the accusation were wrong from what we KNOW. However, the evidence presented in the bail documents (available for AE) seems so conclusive -- he was leaving the office at 8:30 the night he was arrested; neighbors say he burned things late at night -- my memory would bring all those uneasy times back. Even if I had not known at the time, I feel fairly certain my memories and the evidence presented in the documents would take my mind to the truth. Perhaps she will remain outwardly supportive regardless. Some spouses do.

I think it would be easier to support a family member that did NOT commit the murder, torture, and rape of multiple women. A white-collar crime or even robbing a bank versus sadistic torture. You might NOT approve of theft or fraud but at least they didn't torture anyone.

 

[x_files]

Asa claims all she knows is what the media is reporting.
IMO:
That in itself tells you that if she admits to having read all the evidence the prosecution has put forward against her husband then she couldn't try and play stupid, a ruse she failed miserably at.

What I've read via the media is scary enough to divorce him, change my name, and go into hiding. In case he is acquitted and comes after me next. I'd run.

 

[Lore Listener]

Andre Sugar Bear Isaac's Mom has been a class act. I cannot imagine losing a young adult child like that- so violently. She is my role model I hope I never need to emulate. She has kept her child's memory and murder investigation alive.

I wonder what is new on the case, if anything. A year ago, LE seemed to draw a line to Rex while denying it, releasing ballistic info that seemed easy to connect with the guns seized.

(OTOH, what kind of gun did Rex NOT have?)

Yet Sugar Bear does seem like a LISK victim. He was briefly on the official webpage for the case. The FBI is investigating his case which only makes sense if - his murder is connected to an FBI case.

I wonder what is prompting Mary Murphy to bring him up. I don't think there is anything new reported since nearly a year ago. I could be wrong. But I think these reports are the traditional news network version of the internet thread *bump*.

I'm looking forward to answers for Suagr Bear and his mother and other family and friends.

MOO

It's amazing to me the way these threads are knitting together as the investigation progresses. And I agree with you about Andre Sugar Bear's mama. I hope we're going to see answers and justice for a lot of these families. I'm sorry the answers are so horrific. That said, I can't imagine a murder more horrific than ASB's already is, and his mom deserves to know that the monster who took her child is behind bars. If Sandra Costilla was done by Rex, ASB isn't much of a stretch.

 

[indicolite22]

Asa claims all she knows is what the media is reporting.
IMO:
That in itself tells you that if she admits to having read all the evidence the prosecution has put forward against her husband then she couldn't try and play stupid, a ruse she failed miserably at.

If she's aware that her own hairs have been found with the victims, then perhaps she acknowledges that they (the victims) were probably in her home at some point but maybe not more. Unless she doesn't understand how DNA evidence works or is inclined to believe in conspiracies.
I doubt she would want publicity if she was in any way involved with the murders. She will make money by remaining open minded, without incriminating herself.

 

[eishish]

The 21 sw is a lobster boat named after a maine area. Megan was from ma. Also note-a common size home lot is up to 60feet. That wld make a area on property in the sw, 21 ft corner of interest. Of course this may be noted and kept confidential for trial

CURRENTLY HAPPENING 6/27 WESTPORT, MA. 2 days, 18 cars, fbi, tent, etc. Going on right now in SE Ma, Westport area. May be unrelated, or info found on devices, or lead, but fbi involved and locals, etc. Dumping grounds, who knows