Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Kudzu]

On page 18 of the initial Bail Application is mention of thawk080672@… opened under fictitious name of Thomas Hawk. (Snipped below)

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Just musing here… Using a similar “Andy Roberts” naming convention, wonder if the “Hawk” came from his taunting of our WS member Hawkshaw who did a prolific amount of LISK work earlier in the WS case history. I think Hawkshaw was retired LE? Was interviewed about the case, maybe?

 

[whiterhino]

Thanks for the info about where Tomahawk reference comes from.

Tomahawk, for those who don't know, is a smallish chopping tool like a axe that is also used as a weapon. If you "tomahawk" someone, you hit them on the head (or I suppose hit them anywhere, but I think of it as a head strike). There are other definitions as well, like place names in North America and a missile name. Someone mentioned upthread it is a cut of meat, but I've never heard that reference myself. It's a word from Native American tribes on eastern part of North America and can be used for war or peace, but seems like most people associate it with weapon/war. I would expect RH to know the meaning.

jmo

FWIW A Tomahawk is like a throwing axe. RBBM I'd never heard that term for a cut of meat but it's a type of steak cut from ribeye: Tomahawk Steak Guide: What Is It, Where to Get It, How to Cook It

 

[Izzylizzy]

Just musing here… Using a similar “Andy Roberts” naming convention, wonder if the “Hawk” came from his taunting of our WS member Hawkshaw who did a prolific amount of LISK work earlier in the WS case history. I think Hawkshaw was retired LE? Was interviewed about the case, maybe?

RH was posting here taunting member Hawkshaw?

 

[Ruminations]

Just musing here… Using a similar “Andy Roberts” naming convention, wonder if the “Hawk” came from his taunting of our WS member Hawkshaw who did a prolific amount of LISK work earlier in the WS case history. I think Hawkshaw was retired LE? Was interviewed about the case, maybe?

That popped into my head, too.

I would think he was too busy planning, stalking, looking for criminal media, checking up on victims's families, etc. to insert himself in this kind of community. But...it does seem like it could have been him calling into the Killing Season, so, who knows.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Ever wonder if some of his web searches are just a way to check if photos HE took leaked out of a private group and are available to be found on the internet?

It's not unlikely, IMO. According to everything I learned from the Duggar case, the way child exploitation materials are exchanged is a person has to give media to get media. Rex was looking for such materials, and also for materials depicting crimes against adults. I would imagine similar rules would exist.

He is already accused of doing some of the very things he seemed to enjoy searching for, so...

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

A few times when viewing RH from when he was arrested I thought of innocent me suddenly being surrounded by a few agents and being told I'm being arrested for killing three men.
Would I remain calm throughout and the next day while appearing before a judge if I were innocent?
Hell no.
I'd be freaking then and now beyond comprehension at the top of my lungs.
I wouldn't give a *advertiser censored* how my lawyer told me to act.
This calm and acceptable behavior from the get-go by RH for being accused of the most evil heinous crimes for almost a year now tells me he may have been surprised when he finally got arrested but knows damn well that all the evidence being used against him is his to own.

RH is a huge man. Any wrong move as he was being arrested and he might have been shot, perhaps killed. I've always thought his reassurance to the agents that he'd be no trouble was for his own protection. He didn't want them nervous and trigger happy. I have considered that he had thought many times about how to behave IF the time ever came.

 

[Ruminations]

Maybe the case caught RH's attention?
Thomas and Jackie Hawks were never found.

Murders of Thomas and Jackie Hawks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the media​

• This case was investigated on TV by Aphrodite Jones in her Investigation Discovery documentary TV series True Crime with Aphrodite Jones (Season 1, Episode 9) and was explored on the same network on two other programs: Wicked Attraction (episode "Calm Before the Storm") and Deadly Sins (episode "I'd Kill For A Sex Change").
• This case is referred to in a segment of the "Caffeine-Induced Aneurysm" episode of Robot Chicken.
• This case was investigated on TV on Oxygen on the TV show Snapped: Killer Couples, a spin-off of Snapped.
• The 48 Hours episode "Dark Voyage" covers this crime.
• The Demons in the City of Angels episode Child Actor Killer covers the case.
• This case is also covered in the podcast "Killafornia Dreaming: True Crime Tales from the Golden State; Episode 14, The Tale of Lost at Sea" - Google Play Podcasts.
• This case is briefly mentioned in the Podcast "Raised by TV" hosted by comedians Lauren Lapkus and Jon Gabrus in the episode "Mt. Crushmore."
• This case is covered on the TV show Crime Watch Daily with Chris Hansen, Season 2, Episode 165, "The Final Voyage."
• This case is mentioned in the podcast "My Favorite Murder" in Episode 169, "This Old Sandwich."
• This case was investigated on ABC 20/20 episode "Overboard."
• The case was the subject of an episode of HLN's How it Really Happened, "The Yacht Murder Mystery: Unspeakable Cruelty" (season 7, episode 5).
• The case was focused on in The Real Murders of Orange County episode "Love Lost At Sea," which aired on Oxygen 11/15/2020.

Further reading​

Murders of Thomas and Jackie Hawks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's weird. Really weird. Although I don't see Rex naming himself after the murder victim.

MOO

 

[Just K]

Am I the only one who never noticed that sturdy frame that could be built with 6x6's?

Pic on the right.

It's very disturbing, after the most recent charge/bail documents.

Family of suspected serial killer reveals chaotic mess inside accused murderer's ramshackle home

Photographs of a rundown Massapequa Park home show how police left it after spending nearly two weeks removing evidence in the cold case Gilgo Beach murders.

www.foxnews.com

If you scroll down the text, you can find the whole picture, and the eerie frame in the backyard is not blocked by the "play" button.

MOO

I’ve thought of that from the first time I laid eyes on it. It seems too large to fit into the basement. I thought maybe at one time it was a swingset. But yes, it is the right size for big posts. I can’t see it being moved easily though.

 

[dotr]

'Jul 3, 2024 #gilgobeach #rexheuermann #vargassreports
Suffolk County officials revealed to NewsNation that jail investigators have obtained 15 reports from sex workers who may have encountered the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann. Retired NYPD Sgt. Joseph Giacalone joins NewsNation's Laura Ingle to discuss.'

 

[Just K]

I like that theory.

But now I'm in the middle of looking for that thing in other pictures, and I can't find it! Maybe it was under trees- near that wood porch floor that was in his back yard.

I only see it in one picture.

MOO

There are many photos of it but I only found the one that is closer up and shows the whole thing. I originally found it by searching “Rex heuermann backyard.” At the time I was looking to see the woodpile in front of the basement window. It took a while but I finally found one that shows the woodpile before LE dismantled it. It was higher than the window and definitely would block viewing in or out and possible mute any noises.

 

[Just K]

So many “M” first names on his victim list!

In Ny he had many “M”victims and possible victims, at least two variations on Costello (Castello,) and more than one Taylor. There are also plenty of “J” and “B” victims, possible victims and people possibly linked. So many JB names associated with these cases.

 

[iamshadow21]

In Ny he had many “M”victims and possible victims, at least two variations on Costello (Castello,) and more than one Taylor. There are also plenty of “J” and “B” victims, possible victims and people possibly linked. So many JB names associated with these cases.

I think that is probably a coincidence, given the girls all had street names, sometimes multiple street names. They didn't use their real names with clients, so he only would have discovered their names when he killed them.

So he couldn't have sought after Megan, Melissa and Maureen for their M names, as he would have known them as Lexi, Chloe, and Marie. Only one of them used an M name as an alias. (Neither Shannan or Amber's aliases were M names either.)

MOO

 

[Just K]

IMO:
AE's relationship with Macedonio does not bode well for her.
She went from the frying pan into the furnace and I wouldn't be surprised if one day all the chickens come home to roost.

I think, given Macedonio’s prior illegal proclivities and his known association with corrupt public servants, there is a good chance that he may have been involved in some of the “parties” in Suffolk County and specifically Oak Beach. JMO, he may have been familiar with Rex and Asa prior to RH’s arrest. Just a hunch.

 

[Just K]

On page 18 of the initial Bail Application is mention of thawk080672@… opened under fictitious name of Thomas Hawk. (Snipped below)

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I wonder what the significance of 08/06/72 might be? Or if it’s significant at all.

 

[Megnut]

If KVergata really stood at that window, prior to running out of the house, given the state of that house, wouldn't it be something if her DNA was memorialized on that window?

Just a though, just an opinion

 

[Just K]

I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on Tomahawk since the thawk080672 account was opened under the email account Thomas Hawk.

But, I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the thawk screen name in 2017 in reference to the WS member @hawkshaw.

 

[Izzylizzy]

That's weird. Really weird. Although I don't see Rex naming himself after the murder victim.

MOO

Right?
Their names/murders were the first to come up in the search engine.

 

[Just K]

Right?
Their names/murders were the first to come up in the search engine.

I think we can be fairly certain that RH followed weird unsolved murders and unique, to his knowledge, murder cases. I see him similar to a chef or an amateur hobbyist, as in trying out other people’s ideas. He, IMO, is a copy cat- rarely original but possibly trying to perfect the acts of other serial killing murderers.

 

[Izzylizzy]

RH is a huge man. Any wrong move as he was being arrested and he might have been shot, perhaps killed. I've always thought his reassurance to the agents that he'd be no trouble was for his own protection. He didn't want them nervous and trigger happy. I have considered that he had thought many times about how to behave IF the time ever came.

I wasn't referring to resisting arrest or any physical altercations.
I was referring to his calm demeanor remaining silent from the get-go and throughout the year after being charged with the most torturous heinous acts against 3 women then 1 more woman then 2 more women causing their deaths.

Beside his attorney, wife and daughter I've yet to hear from one person claiming that it's impossible that the man they know as RH could have committed these crimes.

If RH were innocent of these murders he wouldn't give 2 shits what his attorney says and would give interviews to journalists which he has refused to do.

 

[Ruminations]

I wasn't referring to resisting arrest or any physical altercations.
I was referring to his calm demeanor remaining silent from the get-go and throughout the year after being charged with the most torturous heinous acts against 3 women then 1 more woman then 2 more women causing their deaths.

Beside his attorney, wife and daughter I've yet to hear from one person claiming that it's impossible that the man they know as RH could have committed these crimes.

If RH were innocent of these murders he wouldn't give 2 *advertiser censored* what his attorney says and would give interviews to journalists which he has refused to do.

Asa's comments were neutral at first. At least the quote is, although Rodney Harrison described more emotion that the words do, when separated from a voice.

It is strange to go over a year from "It is what it is," to "He's not capable."

There is so much information in the media and the charging documents. I would think it's more natural to go from "He's not capable," to "It is what it is," over time than the other way around.

Or to go from "He's not capable," to "He is being framed/scapgoated."

I could see going from "It is what it is," (IIWII) to "He did very bad things," because to me it's a progression from denial to acceptance of the information. But to go from IIWII to "he's not capable" doesn't feel like a natural progression. Nobody has to start in denial that a person is not capable. None of the information that has come out between July 13 2023 and today would contribute to the theory that Rex is not capable. The information that would support that hypothesis would have been prior to the date she said "IIWII."

MOO