Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[snarast]

So, it is news then, imo.

News for people who just read headlines or don’t bother to draw logical conclusions, I’d say. But why nitpick…

 

[iamshadow21]

Have you included a picture? That would be very helpful, imo.

What? It's in the article that this victim came from, further up the thread.

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #15

thank you so much! So, it's finally true? Gilgo Beach and LISK are the same..

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[Forest_Wood]

News for people who just read headlines or don’t bother to draw logical conclusions, I’d say. But why nitpick…

Well, the original post shows only the headline because the article is locked for some. So, it's a news headline only.

 

[Forest_Wood]

News for people who just read headlines or don’t bother to draw logical conclusions, I’d say. But why nitpick…

How about you summarize the article for those who can't access it since you seem to have read it?

 

[snarast]

How about you summarize the article for those who can't access it since you seem to have read it?

Lol. I haven’t - I draw the conclusion that there’s not much news in there since the title contains no news

I could be wrong, maybe there is a wealth of original research within the article. Wouldn’t bet on it. If it was free I’d naturally parse it.

 

[DS2021]

Theres a lot of solid info in there

Lol. I haven’t - I draw the conclusion that there’s not much news in there since the title contains no news

I could be wrong, maybe there is a wealth of original research within the article. Wouldn’t bet on it. If it was free I’d naturally parse it.

I didnt catch anything new

 

[dotr]

Not much perhaps, but it's something. i try. fwiw.

'Aug 23, 2024 #newyork #investigations #crime
An alleged planning document by suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann offers insight into his intent to prolong the captivity of his victims for enhancement of his sadistic pleasures, prosecutors, law enforcement investigators and crime experts say.Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has alleged Heuermann’s desire to keep his victims alive for as long as possible is spelled out in the document through references to torture, captivity, noise control and "play time."

 

[Betty P]

Not much perhaps, but it's something. i try. fwiw.

'Aug 23, 2024 #newyork #investigations #crime
An alleged planning document by suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann offers insight into his intent to prolong the captivity of his victims for enhancement of his sadistic pleasures, prosecutors, law enforcement investigators and crime experts say.Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has alleged Heuermann’s desire to keep his victims alive for as long as possible is spelled out in the document through references to torture, captivity, noise control and "play time."

Rex's notes aren't explicit in saying he engaged in prolonged captivity and torture to keep his victims alive as long as possible, but it hints at that. Maybe LE wasn't absolutely certain at first, but now are. I know when I read those specific notes, I tried not to jump to conclusions, but perhaps this is LE telling us now its true. JMO

I don't know how on God's green earth he thinks he'll be acquitted or have a mistrial, not with all the evidence it seems they're compiling against him.

 

[eishish]

Rex's notes aren't explicit in saying he engaged in prolonged captivity and torture to keep his victims alive as long as possible, but it hints at that. Maybe LE wasn't absolutely certain at first, but now are. I know when I read those specific notes, I tried not to jump to conclusions, but perhaps this is LE telling us now its true. JMO

I don't know how on God's green earth he thinks he'll be acquitted or have a mistrial, not with all the evidence it seems they're compiling against him.

Agreed. And how everyone here sleuthed to find answers in the blueprint is so great. And most all has been gone over. Yes, believe that it was posted to show the nature of him and to solve. Great posr

 

[Passeridae]

Has anyone heard of this girl before? I never have, and I don't know why she wouldn't have been raised as a possible victim before now. She absolutely fits the profile.

MOO

I think, prior to him being charged in Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla's murders, the thought was that he was only responsible for the bodies found on Gilgo Beach, and maybe only some of them.

Charging him with Jessica's murder means he is probably responsible for all of the bodies on Ocean Parkway (or at least Valerie Mack, Peaches, her toddler due to how close she was to Valerie, and probably Karen Vergata), not just the victims who were strangled and left nude. It drastically opens up his MO.

Charging him with Sandra's murder - and also releasing the HK document from around 2000 that makes it clear he'd killed before and hadn't yet selected Ocean Parkway as a graveyard - opens him up as a potential suspect in dozens of murders that may not have been looked at before because of a lack of connection to Gilgo Beach.

Basically between the document and him being connected to the Manorville site and other sites on Long Island, anything is now possible when it comes to victimology and preferred disposal. Whatever parameters that police were originally using to filter victims is pretty much meaningless and everything needs another look.

 

[Passeridae]

Rex's notes aren't explicit in saying he engaged in prolonged captivity and torture to keep his victims alive as long as possible, but it hints at that. Maybe LE wasn't absolutely certain at first, but now are. I know when I read those specific notes, I tried not to jump to conclusions, but perhaps this is LE telling us now its true. JMO

I don't know how on God's green earth he thinks he'll be acquitted or have a mistrial, not with all the evidence it seems they're compiling against him.

I don't feel like the story gives any information that wasn't already publicly available, but it might point to police giving reporters a nudge in a specific direction based on new information that law enforcement has uncovered but isn't ready to release just yet.

 

[iamshadow21]

I think, prior to him being charged in Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla's murders, the thought was that he was only responsible for the bodies found on Gilgo Beach, and maybe only some of them.

Charging him with Jessica's murder means he is probably responsible for all of the bodies on Ocean Parkway (or at least Valerie Mack, Peaches, her toddler due to how close she was to Valerie, and probably Karen Vergata), not just the victims who were strangled and left nude. It drastically opens up his MO.

Charging him with Sandra's murder - and also releasing the HK document from around 2000 that makes it clear he'd killed before and hadn't yet selected Ocean Parkway as a graveyard - opens him up as a potential suspect in dozens of murders that may not have been looked at before because of a lack of connection to Gilgo Beach.

Basically between the document and him being connected to the Manorville site and other sites on Long Island, anything is now possible when it comes to victimology and preferred disposal. Whatever parameters that police were originally using to filter victims is pretty much meaningless and everything needs another look.

I can't see how there's any doubt he's responsible for Asian Doe either. RH's searches weren't limited to ciswhitegirls, and definitely included transwomen and gender diverse people, as well as Asian people. Asian Doe was clustered with the GB4. They shared injuries with Sandra (blunt force trauma), and were clothed and intact as Sandra was. And I don't think it's news to anyone that transwomen of colour are overrepresented in both the sex work community and the victims of violence from sexual partners.

MOO

 

[Passeridae]

I can't see how there's any doubt he's responsible for Asian Doe either. RH's searches weren't limited to ciswhitegirls, and definitely included transwomen and gender diverse people, as well as Asian people. Asian Doe was clustered with the GB4. They shared injuries with Sandra (blunt force trauma), and were clothed and intact as Sandra was. And I don't think it's news to anyone that transwomen of colour are overrepresented in both the sex work community and the victims of violence from sexual partners.

MOO

I absolutely agree, but I think a few people are still hung up on the difference in how Asian Doe was killed. But personally I agree, and I think law enforcement does too or they would have held back those searches. They suspect him and they want him and the public to know they suspect him imo.

The dismemberment, finding remains in two places, and proximity of Valerie to Jessica in Manorville and to Baby Peaches on Gilgo Beach offer some much stronger connections between those four victims. Karen is the other where the connection is slightly weaker, but if one person is responsible for three dismembered women found on Ocean Parkway the odds are high he is responsible for the fourth.

But yeah, I do personally think Heuermann killed Asian Doe. I also think he probably killed at least two of the Manorville men (one unidentified, one ID'd but identity not yet released due to request from family, both found fairly near Valerie and Jessica's sites) and possibly Sugar Bear as well, and if he is ever conclusively linked to any of those four victims, there's a man who was found murdered on Staten Island that I hope they also consider.

And I hope he's also being looked at for some of the Belt Parkway murders in Brooklyn.

 

[DS2021]

hadn't yet selected Ocean Parkway as a graveyard

If he killed Peaches and Karen, do you think he dumped their remains on the parkway at the same time as the rest of their remains?

 

[Passeridae]

If he killed Peaches and Karen, do you think he dumped their remains on the parkway at the same time as the rest of their remains?

I go back and forth on this. It seems like he chose Ocean Parkway as a graveyard around when he killed Valerie Mack, based on that HK document. So did he pick it and then move Peaches and her baby and Karen, or did he choose it because he'd already used it twice* and it hadn't been found yet? I really don't know. I lean toward the latter, because I can't imagine he would have risked moving them.

* Maybe three times. I know law enforcement estimates Asian Doe was killed around 2005, but before they connected Peaches' partial remains to her torso via DNA, they made a similar estimate for her, at least according to a couple of old Newsday articles from 2011-2016 that I read a couple months ago.

 

[DS2021]

Im hoping we will see an in depth search of the South Conduit. Im also hoping genetic genealogy is being down on the unidentified victims tied to the lisk investigation (Peaches, baby doe, and Asian Doe)
Along with some of the other cases we've discussed (Cherries, Lattingtown Jane Doe, Muttontown Jane Doe, the 2 remainingManorville John Does, and both the Asian male Does, that Mary Murphy mentioned) i believe LE has said Cherries is being worked on.

Im wondering if theres any progress on the Nevada DNA comparisons

 

[DS2021]

I go back and forth on this. It seems like he chose Ocean Parkway as a graveyard around when he killed Valerie Mack, based on that HK document. So did he pick it and then move Peaches and her baby and Karen, or did he choose it because he'd already used it twice* and it hadn't been found yet? I really don't know. I lean toward the latter, because I can't imagine he would have risked moving them.

* Maybe three times. I know law enforcement estimates Asian Doe was killed around 2005, but before they connected Peaches' partial remains to her torso via DNA, they made a similar estimate for her, at least according to a couple of old Newsday articles from 2011-2016 that I read a couple months ago.

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If RH was comfortable moving around decomposing bodies, i hope they look into a connection to this case.

Skeletal remains found in a dumpster. There were hemlock needles in the victim's clothing, suggesting she had been in a wooded area before her body was put in the dumpster.

 

[DS2021]

I dont think Christina Warner has been mentioned in the main thread yet

NY - NY - Christina Warner, beaten to death, wrapped in plastic bags in wooded area, Meadowbrook - December 1989

On Dec 13th 1989, the body of 23 year old Christine Warner was found in a wooded area of the Meadowbrook Polo club. She was completely nude and wrapped in plastic bags. It was determined she was beaten to death. Christine was a known sex worker based out of Manhattan, She often went by the name...

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On Dec 13th 1989, the body of 23 year old Christine Warner was found in a wooded area of the Meadowbrook Polo club. She was completely nude and wrapped in plastic bags. It was determined she was beaten to death. Christine was a known sex worker based out of Manhattan, She often went by the name Tina Clark.

She was found near the college that RH graduated from. I dont think he was a student at the time.

 

[iamshadow21]

I go back and forth on this. It seems like he chose Ocean Parkway as a graveyard around when he killed Valerie Mack, based on that HK document. So did he pick it and then move Peaches and her baby and Karen, or did he choose it because he'd already used it twice* and it hadn't been found yet? I really don't know. I lean toward the latter, because I can't imagine he would have risked moving them.

* Maybe three times. I know law enforcement estimates Asian Doe was killed around 2005, but before they connected Peaches' partial remains to her torso via DNA, they made a similar estimate for her, at least according to a couple of old Newsday articles from 2011-2016 that I read a couple months ago.

I think it's door number two. He would have known from following his own press - if he killed Peaches and her baby and Karen - that while Peaches' torso and Karen's legs were found almost immediately, that Karen's head and Peaches' limbs and her baby were not. That would have made the papers. So he knew, as the years rolled on, that it was a good site. In the end, those parts of them and the parts of the other dismemberment victims and the remains of Asian Doe weren't found until weeks or months after the GB4. There's a very good reason he kept using that strip of coastline, possibly for over a decade. Nobody was finding them there. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are more along there, unfound. Peaches' head and Karen's torso and arms haven't been found. I'd be looking there, but also in the woods. I'd guess Karen's torso is in woods, and her arms and Peaches' head is on the shore, since that's the way Jessica and Valerie were distributed. But that is very much a guess.

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

What? It's in the article that this victim came from, further up the thread.

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #15

thank you so much! So, it's finally true? Gilgo Beach and LISK are the same..

www.websleuths.com

Thank you!!! <3