Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 4 murders, July 2023 #10

[snooptroop88]

I can almost assure you that this guy wasn't stalking anyone in particular, or rubbing shoulders with an accomplice. It goes against his very nature.

LOL, there we go, got the quote. Agreed, no accomplice. Not agreed on the stalker idea, though. (Sorry about the double post, just trying to see if I can get "quote" to properly work.)

 

[Ruminations]

Hi, sorry, I'm trying to use the quote feature and it won't work, so just pasting here: "I can almost assure you that this guy wasn't stalking anyone in particular, or rubbing shoulders with an accomplice. It goes against his very nature." Not saying he had an accomplice. His deeds are heinous, and collusion gets more and more difficult to get the higher up the crime would move in level of severity. And he'd be laying himself open to blackmail and extortion.

Mutual blackmail is a viable theory for the refusal to declare Shannan's murder murder, and for the extremely slow investigation and failure to ID Rex Heuermann as a suspect.

If anything, if JUST Rex were involved, he'd have been in jail for the GB4 for a decade already. But he walked free in spite of plenty of evidence. That suggests some people or some institutions benefited from not identifying this suspect.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

LOL, there we go, got the quote. Agreed, no accomplice. Not agreed on the stalker idea, though. (Sorry about the double post, just trying to see if I can get "quote" to properly work.)

Glad you got the quote feature working! Agree, he was a stalker. Quite a few women (and a witness friend of at least one victim) reportedly were stalked by him. It was discussed by many experts after his arrest that the killings he committed, the choice of Gilgo Beach, were linked to his love of hunting. It was a game with him. He co-owned a boat for duck hunting, he owned nearly 300 hundred weapons, including those used for hunting.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/us/gilgo-beach-suspect-guns/index.html

There's some fairly strong evidence developing that Rex H did engage in at least one, possibly more, sex parties. He and his wife were both allegedly members of Trapeze, a swinger's club near his office in Manhattan. The woman has signed an affidavit and said she's willing to testify in court. I'm not 100% convinced, but it seems very possible.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Did anyone look over the Atlantic City financial records for the hotel change on the MBB indictment? They changed from Flagship (AE's hotel w/the kids, I guess) to Skyline (RH arrives). Someone must have wanted that change pretty badly because I used to travel for work and changing hotels in "mid-swim" like that is something of a nightmare, and this was an actual vacation. If you can avoid all of that, why not do it? Could this have been the motivation for the change? Flagship amenity note:

Fees​

You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the property:​

Deposit: USD 100 per stay
Resort fee: USD 15.91 per accommodation, per night
The resort fee includes:
Business center/computer access
Children's club/arcade access
Fitness center access
Housekeeping
In-room coffee
Pool access
Spa tub access
WiFi access (may be limited)

VS

Skyline amenity note:

The resort offers internet access at its cyber center (30-minute limit if anyone is waiting) and complimentary Wi-Fi for all units.
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So wondering if Flagship guarantees stable internet for the most part in common areas, but either way, it looks like you'd have to pay the resort fee to get it, and if you have to pay a resort fee to get it, it may somehow (?) make it easier to track online activities if they ever had to do that for any reason because everyone isn't "herded" together for free internet, by the looks of things.

 

[snooptroop88]

Glad you got the quote feature working! Agree, he was a stalker. Quite a few women (and a witness friend of at least one victim) reportedly were stalked by him. It was discussed by many experts after his arrest that the killings he committed, the choice of Gilgo Beach, were linked to his love of hunting. It was a game with him. He co-owned a boat for duck hunting, he owned nearly 300 hundred weapons, including those used for hunting.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/us/gilgo-beach-suspect-guns/index.html

There's some fairly strong evidence developing that Rex H did engage in at least one, possibly more, sex parties. He and his wife were both allegedly members of Trapeze, a swinger's club near his office in Manhattan. The woman has signed an affidavit and said she's willing to testify in court. I'm not 100% convinced, but it seems very possible.

JMO

Still playing with this quote feature! LOL, and saw Trapeze noted many times, and the woman in relation to that came forward at the symposium. The thing is, though, the woman the night this happened that's supposed to be AE told the other woman who signed the affidavit that RH had brought her/AE out from another country and she (woman supposed to be AE) owed everything to him. To my knowledge, though, AE went to Farmingdale HS, I mean she and RH are roughly the same age, he couldn't have "brought her" to the US in grade school, so I don't know what to make of that, and there may be some confusion on whether that was actually AE or some other woman with RH, I've got no idea. I've often wondered if RH didn't have a cooperative female (other than AE) assisting him in deceptions. Or maybe AE's just lying that night on the "brought out" to US point. That's a powder keg and I don't know what to make of it. I do recognize RH may have had some accomplices, or maybe he just surrounded himself with people he was able to manipulate (?) Sex parties-- no doubt for RH. Not sure beyond that.

 

[Vern]

Did anyone look over the Atlantic City financial records for the hotel change on the MBB indictment? They changed from Flagship (AE's hotel w/the kids, I guess) to Skyline (RH arrives). Someone must have wanted that change pretty badly because I used to travel for work and changing hotels in "mid-swim" like that is something of a nightmare, and this was an actual vacation. If you can avoid all of that, why not do it? Could this have been the motivation for the change? Flagship amenity note:

Fees​

You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the property:​

Deposit: USD 100 per stay
Resort fee: USD 15.91 per accommodation, per night
The resort fee includes:
Business center/computer access
Children's club/arcade access
Fitness center access
Housekeeping
In-room coffee
Pool access
Spa tub access
WiFi access (may be limited)

VS

Skyline amenity note:

The resort offers internet access at its cyber center (30-minute limit if anyone is waiting) and complimentary Wi-Fi for all units.
------------

So wondering if Flagship guarantees stable internet for the most part in common areas, but either way, it looks like you'd have to pay the resort fee to get it, and if you have to pay a resort fee to get it, it may somehow (?) make it easier to track online activities if they ever had to do that for any reason because everyone isn't "herded" together for free internet, by the looks of things.

When I am in travel mode, I find that the wifi isn't "non-secured". Hotel wifi has required username/password combo to access the wifi. 99% of the time it has been: login: last name/initial/room# Password: what-ever-they-come-up-with etc even for the "free wifi".

Exactly so activities such as illegal underage sites etc can be tracked back to who logged in. Else every Tom, Dick, Harry, Mary and probably a Karen or two too would be sucking the bandwidth away from the hotel-staying & paying customers.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Still playing with this quote feature! LOL, and saw Trapeze noted many times, and the woman in relation to that came forward at the symposium. The thing is, though, the woman the night this happened that's supposed to be AE told the other woman who signed the affidavit that RH had brought her/AE out from another country and she (woman supposed to be AE) owed everything to him. To my knowledge, though, AE went to Farmingdale HS, I mean she and RH are roughly the same age, he couldn't have "brought her" to the US in grade school, so I don't know what to make of that, and there may be some confusion on whether that was actually AE or some other woman with RH, I've got no idea. I've often wondered if RH didn't have a cooperative female (other than AE) assisting him in deceptions. Or maybe AE's just lying that night on the "brought out" to US point. That's a powder keg and I don't know what to make of it. I do recognize RH may have had some accomplices, or maybe he just surrounded himself with people he was able to manipulate (?) Sex parties-- no doubt for RH. Not sure beyond that.

About AE's story on that swinging night: I am sometimes amazed that people manage to communicate at all with any understanding. I've watched people misinterpret and turn things inside out: you say 4 weeks, people automatically hear a month. I interviewed people and wrote stories. Therefore, I was especially careful with my quotes. I wrote the story, using the quote I recalled, then went back to get the actual quote from the tape. I was often amazed at how I remembered a quote and what the person actually said. Mentally, I had substituted synonyms in my vocabulary for words the person actually said. Each of us interprets what we hear and that's what we remember. Naturally, from my notes, I was able to fix the quotes, but the woman testifying was recalling an incident from years ago and did not have notes to rely on. If I understand, English prob. is not AE's first language and she may have her own way of expressing things. And sometimes people mis-hear and mis-remember. I think more red flags would have been raised for me if the story were too perfect, according to what has been recently published.

I doubt RH has an accomplice in the murders. I think he chose Gilgo Beach because of his longtime, happy memories there. Plus it's close to his home. He can simply drive down the Parkway and know his delicious secret. Maybe he had a favorite place to park and just bask in "his" place and his "work".

However, I believe from the beginning evidence has indicated a group of like-minded men with the same sexual interests. Remember where the men were rating the SWs? I believe that was on LI and not in the city and was some kind of early Internet board or forum. Does anyone remember exactly what that was?

RH networked for his business. I suspect he did for his hobby as well.

I wonder if turning a SW loose in a desolate area, then hunting her wasn't one of their games. IF the group hunted, she would have been captured, paid, and turned loose to return home. However, if RH were doing the hunting - say after a party, most likely she was not as fortunate. Perhaps the story of the motel party is closer to their usual meetings, they gathered for sex and drugs and there was no hunting.

Or things varied. I do suspect more men, perhaps powerful men, were involved in the unsavory underbelly of society activities and would do whatever it takes to protect their reputations.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“It is clear that the [Gilgo Beach] Task Force is not big enough, strong enough, organized enough to handle all these cases that are multi-state,” attorney John Ray said at a symposium he held at St. John’s University earlier this week, according to Long Island Press.

“We have to get a much bigger look from the federal end. We need the FBI and the United States Attorney’s Office to step in, which is why I asked why I started this case back in 2011.”

Attorney Pushes for More Investigations into Accused Long Island Serial Killer, Including Wife as Possible Suspect

An attorney representing several Long Island serial killer victims is pushing for investigations beyond New York, asserting that accused killer Rex Heuermann likely had more victims. “It is clear that the [Gilgo Beach] Task Force is not big enough, strong enough, organized enough to handle all...

www.crimeonline.com

 

[Betty P]

“It is clear that the [Gilgo Beach] Task Force is not big enough, strong enough, organized enough to handle all these cases that are multi-state,” attorney John Ray said at a symposium he held at St. John’s University earlier this week, according to Long Island Press.

“We have to get a much bigger look from the federal end. We need the FBI and the United States Attorney’s Office to step in, which is why I asked why I started this case back in 2011.”

Attorney Pushes for More Investigations into Accused Long Island Serial Killer, Including Wife as Possible Suspect

An attorney representing several Long Island serial killer victims is pushing for investigations beyond New York, asserting that accused killer Rex Heuermann likely had more victims. “It is clear that the [Gilgo Beach] Task Force is not big enough, strong enough, organized enough to handle all...

www.crimeonline.com

He’s right, they need a bigger group to investigate or at least finish this investigation. After reading about the FBI and their effort to end investigation into the Colonial Parkway murders, I’m less optimistic.
ETA: watch Tricia’s recent podcast interview with Bill Thomas.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Did anyone look over the Atlantic City financial records for the hotel change on the MBB indictment? They changed from Flagship (AE's hotel w/the kids, I guess) to Skyline (RH arrives). Someone must have wanted that change pretty badly because I used to travel for work and changing hotels in "mid-swim" like that is something of a nightmare, and this was an actual vacation. If you can avoid all of that, why not do it? Could this have been the motivation for the change? Flagship amenity note:

Fees​

You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the property:​

Deposit: USD 100 per stay
Resort fee: USD 15.91 per accommodation, per night
The resort fee includes:
Business center/computer access
Children's club/arcade access
Fitness center access
Housekeeping
In-room coffee
Pool access
Spa tub access
WiFi access (may be limited)

VS

Skyline amenity note:

The resort offers internet access at its cyber center (30-minute limit if anyone is waiting) and complimentary Wi-Fi for all units.
------------

So wondering if Flagship guarantees stable internet for the most part in common areas, but either way, it looks like you'd have to pay the resort fee to get it, and if you have to pay a resort fee to get it, it may somehow (?) make it easier to track online activities if they ever had to do that for any reason because everyone isn't "herded" together for free internet, by the looks of things.

I'm voting for a coupon book. Back about that time frame (and I have NO idea about now), travelers could stop at the welcome center along the interstate and pick up coupon books for holiday/touristy towns. Some of the hotels offered what appeared to be nice discounts -- often for "up to seven days", sometimes just three, or two. I'm guessing the frugal Heuermanns took advantage of two different offers.

 

[CuriousCricket]

“It is clear that the [Gilgo Beach] Task Force is not big enough, strong enough, organized enough to handle all these cases that are multi-state,” attorney John Ray said at a symposium he held at St. John’s University earlier this week, according to Long Island Press.

“We have to get a much bigger look from the federal end. We need the FBI and the United States Attorney’s Office to step in, which is why I asked why I started this case back in 2011.”

Has it been established that this is a multi-state case? Or is it actually limited to Long Island, NY? We know they've looked in South Carolina. Do we know if anything was found?

They also looked in Nevada. Any evidence at all the cases are connected?

They've checked on various locations as cases have been suggested. Do we know if anything has been found to be connected with the Long Island cases?

When or if there is, I personally believe it will be investigated. I suspect the current cases are being monitored for any testing that might later connect those cases to the LI cases. However, I stop short of calling for a Federal all-hands-on-deck call out until some connection is made.

 

[Betty P]

Has it been established that this is a multi-state case? Or is it actually limited to Long Island, NY? We know they've looked in South Carolina. Do we know if anything was found?

They also looked in Nevada. Any evidence at all the cases are connected?

They've checked on various locations as cases have been suggested. Do we know if anything has been found to be connected with the Long Island cases?

When or if there is, I personally believe it will be investigated. I suspect the current cases are being monitored for any testing that might later connect those cases to the LI cases. However, I stop short of calling for a Federal all-hands-on-deck call out until some connection is made.

Haven't seen anything, one way or another, from the other states in a while. It's possible they're waiting until Rex H's NY case is farther along. I don't want to speculate. Technically, though, it could be a multi-state case.

ETA: There has been discussion of cold cases in Nevada/California and South Carolina

‘A strong conviction’: 20 years after slaying, hope for answers emerges

Jodi Brewer’s family and friends think her unsolved 2003 slaying could be connected to Rex Heuermann.

www.reviewjournal.com

Las Vegas police to test Rex Heuermann’s DNA for possible connection to NJ mom’s murder

Victoria Camara, 17, was found dead outside of Las Vegas in August 2003.

nypost.com

South Carolina

 

[Betty P]

When I am in travel mode, I find that the wifi isn't "non-secured". Hotel wifi has required username/password combo to access the wifi. 99% of the time it has been: login: last name/initial/room# Password: what-ever-they-come-up-with etc even for the "free wifi".

Exactly so activities such as illegal underage sites etc can be tracked back to who logged in. Else every Tom, Dick, Harry, Mary and probably a Karen or two too would be sucking the bandwidth away from the hotel-staying & paying customers.

I'll never forget the time I was at a conference in DC. I had logged off the internet and turned off my laptop before going to bed. Early the next morning I was half asleep when I heard my laptop start up. It was like someone was searching my laptop or something. I jumped up and shut it off right away. Strange.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Has it been established that this is a multi-state case? Or is it actually limited to Long Island, NY? We know they've looked in South Carolina. Do we know if anything was found?

They also looked in Nevada. Any evidence at all the cases are connected?

They've checked on various locations as cases have been suggested. Do we know if anything has been found to be connected with the Long Island cases?

When or if there is, I personally believe it will be investigated. I suspect the current cases are being monitored for any testing that might later connect those cases to the LI cases. However, I stop short of calling for a Federal all-hands-on-deck call out until some connection is made.

As far as is known now, I believe unless and until it can be determined where the actual murders or other criminal activities occurred, this is not yet known. At present, the states of NJ and NY appear to be involved at a minimum. And that to my understanding would qualify as ‘multi-jurisdictional’. I am not an attorney, but crossing state lines with evidence or an activity could also influence investigative involvement. MOO

 

[cenazoic]

Remember where the men were rating the SWs?

Right here: Long Island

 

[CuriousCricket]

Right here: Long Island

Wow, it sure is. Thanks! Page 135 is dated Sept. 3 2008. Found a way to get back to at least 2005, listed as "old posts". I'm looking with names and a year. I'm not interested in registering or logging in.

 

[Ruminations]

Right here: Long Island

Wow- I always wondered how people know which spas are THAT kind of happy ending spa. Now I know one way of learning that.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I tried to watch the symposium hosted by John Ray but I couldn't hear the sound properly so I gave up on it. What stands out most for me is how these women who've remained anonymous are now coming forward, identifying themselves while telling their truth as witnesses to certain experiences. How hard it must be for them to expose themselves to criticism, and yet here they are showing their faces and sharing their stories. I think this in itself is amazing progress, thanks to the persistence of John Ray and the trust they've put in him. MOO.

 

[snooptroop88]

On the Atlantic City financial records in the MBB superseding bail application, there's a transaction from The Body Shop, which sells all kinds of lotions and creams, some are herbal (tea tree oil). Aloe vera. That's definitely a place to go if you want something to soothe poison ivy, which LISK would have had from all his time in the brush. And which I'm sure RH has had quite often because his face has that reddish look to it like it's been consistently subjected to harsh/abrasive conditions over a long period of time. He ironically has the check in date at the Skyline of Friday the 13th, I think, and that transaction is the 15th. MBB was last seen July 9th. I think when all is said and done, he'll have committed all the Gilgo murders and beyond, with victims in other regions.

 

[CuriousCricket]

On the Atlantic City financial records in the MBB superseding bail application, there's a transaction from The Body Shop, which sells all kinds of lotions and creams, some are herbal (tea tree oil). Aloe vera. That's definitely a place to go if you want something to soothe poison ivy, which LISK would have had from all his time in the brush. And which I'm sure RH has had quite often because his face has that reddish look to it like it's been consistently subjected to harsh/abrasive conditions over a long period of time. He ironically has the check in date at the Skyline of Friday the 13th, I think, and that transaction is the 15th. MBB was last seen July 9th. I think when all is said and done, he'll have committed all the Gilgo murders and beyond, with victims in other regions.

Interesting thinking. Makes you wonder . . .
Does anyone local to LI know if poison ivy does grow there along Ocean Parkway? Would anyone pushing through the brush enough to hide something in the underbrush get some kind of poisonous rash? You know, maybe the foliage is rough enough to have scratched and slapped the face of anyone carrying a load through the thick underbrush and it wasn't poison, but burn from rough foliage? Is that possible?

Sawgrass? Is there something called sawgrass? How would that work, slapping back against a person?

However, I must confess, I happen to think MBB was probably killed in his home -- mainly because she was wrapped in belts. What I can't come up with is a reasonable explanation for him being so disorganized that he wasn't prepared to restrain her and had to "grab what was handy". It's almost like she was his first.

Unless, his sheer size had always been enough before. So, why not now? Perhaps he had been injured? Is that also an explanation for the purchase of the Avalanche? For the change of MO with the remains not being dismembered? Had an injury forced him to change how he operated?