Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #15

[iamshadow21]

Taylor and Mack were mutilated and partially dismembered with body parts located both at Gilgo Beach and in Manorville. Costilla showed signs of mutilation but she was not dismembered and her body was found more than 40 miles east, in North Sea.

"There is no unique and consistent modus operandi common to all seven murders," Caponi alleged in the motion. "Quite the contrary."

Gilgo Beach killings: Alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann asks judge to try cases separately, court papers show

The motion argues that a "substantial disparity" exists between the evidence in the first indictment and the allegations in three superseding indictments.

www.newsday.com

There is nothing in crime that says MO has to remain consistent.

Richard Ramirez is a great example of someone who had such a chaotic embrace of doing all kinds of violence on all kinds of people in a variety of settings, and nobody doubts he was a serial killer.

By comparison, RH is almost textbook.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Aug 26, 2024 rbbm

Rex Heuermann update: Chilling new details on victims' four days of torture

Alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann allegedly kept his victims alive to inflict pain and torture them, according to investigators and crime experts.

www.newsweek.com

''Prosecutors have released evidence showing a potential four-day period where Taylor may have been in captivity, based on the last time she called a family member and the day when a pickup truck was seen near where her body was found.''
The remains of Taylor and Costilla were found shortly after their death, meaning investigators had more physical evidence to observe.''

"With regard to the Gilgo Four, they were skeletonized, so we're left to surmise a lot of things, or we just don't know, because we don't have the same amount of evidence that you would on a person who has been deceased for a period of days, as opposed to a period of years," Tierney said. "With Costilla and Jessica Taylor ... we know more about what, unfortunately, what happened to them, because there's more evidence there."

 

[LadyL]

Aug 26, 2024 rbbm

Rex Heuermann update: Chilling new details on victims' four days of torture

Alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann allegedly kept his victims alive to inflict pain and torture them, according to investigators and crime experts.

www.newsweek.com

''Prosecutors have released evidence showing a potential four-day period where Taylor may have been in captivity, based on the last time she called a family member and the day when a pickup truck was seen near where her body was found.''
The remains of Taylor and Costilla were found shortly after their death, meaning investigators had more physical evidence to observe.''

"With regard to the Gilgo Four, they were skeletonized, so we're left to surmise a lot of things, or we just don't know, because we don't have the same amount of evidence that you would on a person who has been deceased for a period of days, as opposed to a period of years," Tierney said. "With Costilla and Jessica Taylor ... we know more about what, unfortunately, what happened to them, because there's more evidence there."

I've been hoping all along that the end was quick and there was no extended torture but I guess that is naive of me.

 

[bricker]

Taylor had been dead for days when she was found. She wasn't kept alive for those four days. These supposed "experts" need to do their homework before they spout sensationalist nonsense that will upset the victims' relatives.

 

[snarast]

Taylor had been dead for days when she was found. She wasn't kept alive for those four days. These supposed "experts" need to do their homework before they spout sensationalist nonsense that will upset the victims' relatives.

Given the HK2002 document - things look bleak. I’m not sure some if these details should be disclosed any further. The June presser was the most shocking event of last year, save Trump’s close call.

There are pros and cons - RH should be convicted if guilty (yes) and the unidentified must be identified.

Bringing the full extent of the tragedies into the open might at least in part be important to motivate the allocation of limited resources to decades’ old crimes.

IMHO

 

[TOMBISHOP]

Me too.
I had looked up the distance between Taylorsville NC and Chester County SC where RH had/has properties and it's about 200 miles.

..among other things, by entering the brother's address I see that place is on one of the 2 main roads to go home on LI which google map tells me is also the fastest...

 

[CuriousCricket]

Newsday has released a new story on the Cold Cases being investigated by Suffolk County. Long Island Press doesn't have the story up yet. Sorry this is a paywall: Suffolk DA Ray Tierney's new cold case unit unveils new sketches of unidentified remains, hoping to solve some of the oldest crimes in the county
By Grant Parpangrant.parpan@newsday.com@GrantParpanUpdated January 24, 2025 7:31 am
"The cases span from 1978 to 2012, from Dix Hills to Manorville, and investigators hope the faces released on a new cold cases page on the district attorney's office website lead to names and, ultimately, suspects."

BTW, Newsday has offered me 6 months access for a quarter a couple of different times. I've found it a bargain.

 

[snarast]

dbm

 

[DS2021]

Newsday has released a new story on the Cold Cases being investigated by Suffolk County. Long Island Press doesn't have the story up yet. Sorry this is a paywall: Suffolk DA Ray Tierney's new cold case unit unveils new sketches of unidentified remains, hoping to solve some of the oldest crimes in the county
By Grant Parpangrant.parpan@newsday.com@GrantParpanUpdated January 24, 2025 7:31 am
"The cases span from 1978 to 2012, from Dix Hills to Manorville, and investigators hope the faces released on a new cold cases page on the district attorney's office website lead to names and, ultimately, suspects."

BTW, Newsday has offered me 6 months access for a quarter a couple of different times. I've found it a bargain.

Threads for 3 of the victims with new sketches, who websleuths have speculated could be connected to LISK

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NY Thread 'NY - Dix Hills, MultFem 20-40, UP131742, fused phalanges, Found in a wooded area, Apr'98'

Oct 25, 2024

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
NamUs: UP131742
UID Multiple (White/Caucasian, Hispanic/Latino, Asian) Female
Dix Hills, NY

Case Numbers​

ME/C Case Number: 98-1493

Demographics​

Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years): 20-40
Height: 5' 8"(68 inches) , Estimated
Weight: Cannot Estimate

Circumstances​

Date Body Found: April 30, 1998
NamUs Case Created: October 21, 2024

Location Found​

Location: Dix Hills, New York 11746
County: Suffolk County
Found On Tribal Land: No
Circumstances of...

• ProudSuggestion3528
• Replies: 19
• Forum: The Unidentified

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NY Thread 'NY - Sayville, Wht/HispFem 25-39, UP11852, nude in dumpster, poss Joel Rifkin victim, Mar'92'

Mar 27, 2021

Unidentified Person Case (namus.gov)


Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP11852
Female, Multiple
Date Body Found March 8, 1992
Location Found Sayville, New York
Estimated Age Range 25-39 Years

Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case Number1992-0798

Demographics
Sex Female
Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino

Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years) 25-39
Estimated Year of Death--
Estimated PMI Hours
Height 4' 11"(59 inches) , Measured
Weight 93 lbs, Measured


Circumstances
Type Unidentified Deceased
Date...

• madamx
• Replies: 24
• Forum: The Unidentified

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NY Thread 'NY - Manorville, near Cushman Murphy Park, WhtMale 30-50, UP11010, healed fracture Rt leg, Feb'12'

Feb 19, 2012

A man walking his dog found human skeletal remains in Manorville on Friday, 02/17/2012. Age and gender are not yet known, and it's believed the victim's body was placed there at least five years ago judging by the vegetation found at the site. The remains were found in a wooded area not far from where two female torsos and two male bodies were discovered between 2000 and 2003.

The latest set of bones was discovered at around 6:30 p.m. Friday in a pine barrens in Manorville. A resident of the town, Matt Samuel, said he was walking through the area with his dog when he made the...

• bessie
• Replies: 22
• Forum: The Unidentified

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[iamshadow21]

Threads for 3 of the victims with new sketches, who websleuths have speculated could be connected to LISK

P

NY Thread 'NY - Dix Hills, MultFem 20-40, UP131742, fused phalanges, Found in a wooded area, Apr'98'

Oct 25, 2024

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
NamUs: UP131742
UID Multiple (White/Caucasian, Hispanic/Latino, Asian) Female
Dix Hills, NY

Case Numbers​

ME/C Case Number: 98-1493

Demographics​

Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years): 20-40
Height: 5' 8"(68 inches) , Estimated
Weight: Cannot Estimate

Circumstances​

Date Body Found: April 30, 1998
NamUs Case Created: October 21, 2024

Location Found​

Location: Dix Hills, New York 11746
County: Suffolk County
Found On Tribal Land: No
Circumstances of...

• ProudSuggestion3528
• Replies: 19
• Forum: The Unidentified

• 

NY Thread 'NY - Sayville, Wht/HispFem 25-39, UP11852, nude in dumpster, poss Joel Rifkin victim, Mar'92'

Mar 27, 2021

Unidentified Person Case (namus.gov)


Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP11852
Female, Multiple
Date Body Found March 8, 1992
Location Found Sayville, New York
Estimated Age Range 25-39 Years

Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case Number1992-0798

Demographics
Sex Female
Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino

Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years) 25-39
Estimated Year of Death--
Estimated PMI Hours
Height 4' 11"(59 inches) , Measured
Weight 93 lbs, Measured


Circumstances
Type Unidentified Deceased
Date...

• madamx
• Replies: 24
• Forum: The Unidentified

• 

NY Thread 'NY - Manorville, near Cushman Murphy Park, WhtMale 30-50, UP11010, healed fracture Rt leg, Feb'12'

Feb 19, 2012

A man walking his dog found human skeletal remains in Manorville on Friday, 02/17/2012. Age and gender are not yet known, and it's believed the victim's body was placed there at least five years ago judging by the vegetation found at the site. The remains were found in a wooded area not far from where two female torsos and two male bodies were discovered between 2000 and 2003.

The latest set of bones was discovered at around 6:30 p.m. Friday in a pine barrens in Manorville. A resident of the town, Matt Samuel, said he was walking through the area with his dog when he made the...

• bessie
• Replies: 22
• Forum: The Unidentified

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Looks like Parabon recons are getting less uncanny valley, or maybe they're working with an artist collaboratively to make them look more lifelike.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Interesting story about John Bittrolff conviction for the murder of Colleen McNamee: Fresh questions emerge after DNA reanalyzed in twice-convicted killer John Bittrolff's Long Island case

"The lab conducting the analysis determined that Bittrolff, whose DNA was detected on a separate swab of McNamee, was not a contributor to the DNA found in the male jeans discovered near her body in Shirley. The jeans had McNamee’s blood on them and the name "Michael M" written in the waistband, according to a motion made public late Friday."

 

[CuriousCricket]

By Grant Parpangrant.parpan@newsday.com@GrantParpanUpdated January 29, 2025 6:12 am
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A Suffolk judge is expected to schedule the first pretrial hearings in the case of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann when the defendant returns to court Wednesday.

Gilgo Beach killings: Alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann expected back in court Wednesday

Heuermann, 61, of Massapequa Park, has been charged with first and second degree murder in the killings of Melissa Barthelemy, Amber Lynn Costello, Megan Waterman, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Jessica Taylor, Valerie Mack and Sandra Costilla. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

www.newsday.com

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Interesting story about John Bittrolff conviction for the murder of Colleen McNamee: Fresh questions emerge after DNA reanalyzed in twice-convicted killer John Bittrolff's Long Island case

"The lab conducting the analysis determined that Bittrolff, whose DNA was detected on a separate swab of McNamee, was not a contributor to the DNA found in the male jeans discovered near her body in Shirley. The jeans had McNamee’s blood on them and the name "Michael M" written in the waistband, according to a motion made public late Friday."

very important article, going forward. Feb 24th...more information will come out.

 

[sds71]

A key point of contention in the case is DNA evidence that prosecutors say links six of the seven victims to Heuermann.

The defense has raised concerns about the California lab's testing methods, calling them "unproven." Prosecutors, however, argue they are reliable and state-of-the art.

Heuermann's lawyers are also asking for five separate trials, given the complexity of the case. Prosecutors are adamant all the charges be tried together.

Both sides will return to court on Feb. 18, when the judge will hear motions on whether to separate the trials.

Rex Heuermann, suspected Gilgo Beach killer, appears in court for hearing on DNA evidence

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann returned to court Wednesday on Long Island.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[CuriousCricket]

A key point of contention in the case is DNA evidence that prosecutors say links six of the seven victims to Heuermann.

The defense has raised concerns about the California lab's testing methods, calling them "unproven." Prosecutors, however, argue they are reliable and state-of-the art.

Heuermann's lawyers are also asking for five separate trials, given the complexity of the case. Prosecutors are adamant all the charges be tried together.

Both sides will return to court on Feb. 18, when the judge will hear motions on whether to separate the trials.

Rex Heuermann, suspected Gilgo Beach killer, appears in court for hearing on DNA evidence

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann returned to court Wednesday on Long Island.

www.cbsnews.com

From Long Island Press this morning:
"Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney welcomed the defense’s motions, but clarified that they will still seek one trial for all seven murders and expects that the nuclear DNA will be allowed at trial."

That makes sense. Personally, I understand the state wanting to keep all the trials together -- what a financial burden this must be for Suffolk County. On the other hand, and looking at this practically, the first 3 will be the easiest to get convictions since The State has the cell phone records, so I can see trying those together. I'm wondering if the defense wanting to separate the trials also serves the purpose of thinking that if separated, and he's given 3 life sentences, that not all the cases will go to trial?

Is that a possibility? Thinking if he's convicted of only the first three, The State might not take the others to trial? I wonder if then he'd start talking.

OR he might continue to protest his innocence as Bittrolff has . . .
By Michael MalaszczykPosted on January 29, 2025

Suspect Gilgo Beach Killer Rex Heuermann May Seek Five Separate Trials for Murder Charges

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann is seeking as many as five separate trials for the seven murders he is charged with.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The danger of having count after count, victim after victim in the same trial is that 'If there's smoke, there’s fire' mentality," Brown said. “They shouldn’t be tried together. One issue has nothing to do with the other.”
Prosecutors on Wednesday filed a written response to the DNA challenge and said they will respond to the motion for separate trials later. Heuermann’s next court date is Feb. 18.

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/business/article/gilgo-beach-serial-killing-suspect-seeks-to-bar-20063799.php

 

[Izzylizzy]

Mary Murphy posted this yesterday.
She was questioning Ray Tierney.
Scroll down for Dix Hills.

5 'Does' on Suffolk DA Website Draw Questions About Long Island Serial Killer​

I asked DA Tierney if any of the victims were possibly tied to accused Long Island serial killer, Rex Heuermann, who's been charged in seven murders....

www.marymurphyofficial.com

 

[snooptroop88]

“The danger of having count after count, victim after victim in the same trial is that 'If there's smoke, there’s fire' mentality," Brown said. “They shouldn’t be tried together. One issue has nothing to do with the other.”
Prosecutors on Wednesday filed a written response to the DNA challenge and said they will respond to the motion for separate trials later. Heuermann’s next court date is Feb. 18.

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/business/article/gilgo-beach-serial-killing-suspect-seeks-to-bar-20063799.php

Okay, so he had me with the "where there's smoke" idea to some (slight) extent. BUT the one "has nothing to do with the other"?? UH, I beg to differ, this is the same murderer throughout, so each "one" definitely does relate to the others. Each victim has an indisputable bond to all the other victims. Maybe not every issue presented will be the same, but the murderer will be the same, and eventually, all issues will be intertwined.

With that "one issue" has nothing to do with the other... I think Brown may really be doing some wishful thinking there, maybe more along the lines of "one perp has nothing to do with the other." Maybe trying to exploit the many theories out there that RH didn't act alone. But with that HK document, I don't see how this is going to help RH in the end. He's done. It was going to be an uphill climb for the D even before HK. With HK, I think it's an impossible climb.

Ehh, yeah, I can see why the D's clamoring for this. And I don't think the reason they're clamoring for it is to avoid jury confusion.

 

[snarast]

Okay, so he had me with the "where there's smoke" idea to some (slight) extent. BUT the one "has nothing to do with the other"?? UH, I beg to differ, this is the same murderer throughout, so each "one" definitely does relate to the others. Each victim has an indisputable bond to all the other victims. Maybe not every issue presented will be the same, but the murderer will be the same, and eventually, all issues will be intertwined.

With that "one issue" has nothing to do with the other... I think Brown may really be doing some wishful thinking there, maybe more along the lines of "one perp has nothing to do with the other." Maybe trying to exploit the many theories out there that RH didn't act alone. But with that HK document, I don't see how this is going to help RH in the end. He's done. It was going to be an uphill climb for the D even before HK. With HK, I think it's an impossible climb.

Ehh, yeah, I can see why the D's clamoring for this. And I don't think the reason they're clamoring for it is to avoid jury confusion.

I kind of see it as a warning, do not add KV, Asian Doe, Peaches and her baby to this.

Even a guy RH’s size may find that killing babies does not make your life in prison any easier.

IMHOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Gone Girls: The Long Island Serial Killer, a new three-episode documentary series, delves into the lengthy investigation that culminated in a much-awaited arrest, as well as the stigma surrounding the victims’ line of work, which may have contributed to its frustratingly slow pace. Featuring interviews with journalists, law enforcement officials, and friends and family of the victim and accused killer alike, the series is directed by Liz Garbus — director of Lost Girls, a 2020 drama that focused on the mother of one of the Long Island Serial Killer’s victims and her search for justice.

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/gone-girls-the-long-island-serial-killer-release-date-news