Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #17

[Izzylizzy]

Are the latest court documents filed by the defense and prosecution available online?

 

[Izzylizzy]

It is fascinating. I’d love to see the distribution of these calls…timewise

Josh Zeman said the forensic work was brilliant on all RH's cell phone data.
Laura Ingles said they even got records from US Customs and Border Protection from when he was in Iceland.
Josh Z said a plea deal.
Joe G said after the documents are read he does see a lot of plea deal talk but thinks RH will go to trial.

Are there recent documents from Defense & prosection available?

RH back in court March 17th..St.Patrick's Day

@ 26:10
RH/ new documents.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Zeman and Mary Murphy.
They've know each other for 25 years.

Uploaded 2 days ago
Edit.
Even though uploaded 2 days ago MM mentions they're filming on Dec.11th..the 15 anniversary of the first victim being found on Gilgo, Dec.11, 2010.
Weird it's just uploaded now, so It's before the latest on the RH trial/ new documents.

 

[snarast]

I’m guessing the odds for a trial and no plea went up after Dykes. Makes it seem like there’s a chance in hell…

Then of course the ”help” offered from Burke means something. God knows what…

 

[Ruminations]

Are the latest court documents filed by the defense and prosecution available online?

I don't think the filing referenced is available on line at the moment, although it does appear to be in the hands of a great number of journalists: main stream and major social media.

The document, if I am understanding it properly, is actually the prosecution's response to a defense motion filed to suppress evidence. So I presume everything we have learned or heard again (some info was in charging documents) is the subject of a defense motion filed motion to suppress. Defense probably was arguing that the information is not really relevant to the charged crimes, but rather just prior bad acts that are about character. IANAL, but I believe prosecutors can't use ad hominem arguments against the person they are accusing. They can't say, "He did ____, so why wouldn't he commit this crime?" Instead, prosecutors have to show that the information actually proves the crimes for which he is going to trial directly.

For example, contacts with sex workers can't be used to show how depraved he is, but they might be allowed as evidence to show that this is how he killed any of the 7 women he is on trial for murdering.

So I think there might be two documents we have not seen. A motion to suppress evidence from the defense, and the reply from the prosecution. That's a hint as to which side is using media leaks now.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't think the filing referenced is available on line at the moment, although it does appear to be in the hands of a great number of journalists: main stream and major social media.

The document, if I am understanding it properly, is actually the prosecution's response to a defense motion filed to suppress evidence. So I presume everything we have learned or heard again (some info was in charging documents) is the subject of a defense motion filed motion to suppress. Defense probably was arguing that the information is not really relevant to the charged crimes, but rather just prior bad acts that are about character. IANAL, but I believe prosecutors can't use ad hominem arguments against the person they are accusing. They can't say, "He did ____, so why wouldn't he commit this crime?" Instead, prosecutors have to show that the information actually proves the crimes for which he is going to trial directly.

For example, contacts with sex workers can't be used to show how depraved he is, but they might be allowed as evidence to show that this is how he killed any of the 7 women he is on trial for murdering.

So I think there might be two documents we have not seen. A motion to suppress evidence from the defense, and the reply from the prosecution. That's a hint as to which side is using media leaks now.

MOO

Here's a more detailed breakdown from Tierney.

"Tierney, who is prosecuting the case against accused Gilgo killer Rex Heuermann, submitted an affirmation and memorandum of law in opposition to an omnibus motion presented by the defense in January."


cont

Accused Gilgo Killer A 'Sexual Sadist' Who Contacted 60 Prostitutes, Searched For 'Torture' Porn: DA

Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reached out to more than 60 sex workers before his arrest, an explosive new filing indicates.

patch.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't think the filing referenced is available on line at the moment, although it does appear to be in the hands of a great number of journalists: main stream and major social media.

The document, if I am understanding it properly, is actually the prosecution's response to a defense motion filed to suppress evidence. So I presume everything we have learned or heard again (some info was in charging documents) is the subject of a defense motion filed motion to suppress. Defense probably was arguing that the information is not really relevant to the charged crimes, but rather just prior bad acts that are about character. IANAL, but I believe prosecutors can't use ad hominem arguments against the person they are accusing. They can't say, "He did ____, so why wouldn't he commit this crime?" Instead, prosecutors have to show that the information actually proves the crimes for which he is going to trial directly.

For example, contacts with sex workers can't be used to show how depraved he is, but they might be allowed as evidence to show that this is how he killed any of the 7 women he is on trial for murdering.

So I think there might be two documents we have not seen. A motion to suppress evidence from the defense, and the reply from the prosecution. That's a hint as to which side is using media leaks now.

MOO

Do you think that when the documents are leaked presumed by the prosecution are they done so under the condition that the reporters don't publish them?

 

[scapa]

Here's a more detailed breakdown from Tierney.

"Tierney, who is prosecuting the case against accused Gilgo killer Rex Heuermann, submitted an affirmation and memorandum of law in opposition to an omnibus motion presented by the defense in January."


cont

Accused Gilgo Killer A 'Sexual Sadist' Who Contacted 60 Prostitutes, Searched For 'Torture' Porn: DA

Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reached out to more than 60 sex workers before his arrest, an explosive new filing indicates.

patch.com

This is an excellent, detailed article that outlines the case and evidence against RH well. Thanks for posting!

 

[Ruminations]

Do you think that when the documents are leaked presumed by the prosecution are they done so under the condition that the reporters don't publish them?

No. I think they are leaked because the prosecution thinks the media attention will benefit them in some way.

MOO

 

[joe jones]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

 

[Megnut]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

He may plead out but IMO it won't be to avoid hearing about what he did. I think it's part of his dark nature to get a thrill from it.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

No. I think they are leaked because the prosecution thinks the media attention will benefit them in some way.

MOO

I agree with that yet why haven't any of the reporters released the documents?
Sworn not to?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

I'm on the fence.
Pondering a bit about this if he does go to trial.

Since he goes back to his cell each day when court recesses then whatever reactions/evil desires that could be activated' in him viewing evidence can't be played out again like before he was arrested and thought about what he's done or viewed any souvenirs he kept, etc.
Like how he'd jump on the internet to visit his favorite sites, or call a SW or begin planning a another torturous murder.
We have no idea what goes on a SK'ers mind and body and by being exposed to his past evil actions without having a release may visibly put him over the edge during the trial, physical outbursts,mental madness?

If he takes a plea deal then it's off to prison and unless it's extreme circumstances which legally warrant it he gives up the right of appeal.
Basically it's over for him.

If he's guilty at trial then the appeal is filed and he remains in jail for as long as the litigation goes on and that could be years.
imo

 

[Ruminations]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

I think sitting in court and reviewing his crimes will be pleasurable to him. Unfortunately.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I agree with that yet why haven't any of the reporters released the documents?
Sworn not to?

Maybe an agreement of sorts...of mutual trust. But so many people are leafing through them as they create content, I feel like it can't be long until we get to read them for ourselves.

MOO

 

[snarast]

I’m still wondering where Tanya’s car ended up. In yet another county or what?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It is fascinating. I’d love to see the distribution of these calls…timewise

Yes...they say 500 over 4 years.... so 125 a year, leaving well over 200 days a year he did not. I just wonder, however, how his brain was working alllll those other days! Silly, I know. My guess is that the computer googling filled allll those days.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Live:
Josh Zeman's update on RH, with Laura Ingle/Joe G.
Nancy Guthrie opens

Nancy Guthrie Case Update + Gilgo Killer Developments | Joe Giacalone & Laura Ingle Join Josh Zeman​

Izzy, can you share more about these folks? Are these youtubers that you do respect and listen too? Just like an update with any youtubers......... I get great candid responses alwayss.

Edited: I now have a better idea of who they are now... no need to really explain more. I don't listen to many youtube stuff.

but I will leave the post up, just re-emphasizing the fact that I feel it is valuable to get opinions on any or some of the myriad of true crime posters these. days.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Zeman and Mary Murphy.
They've know each other for 25 years.

Uploaded 2 days ago
Edit.
Even though uploaded 2 days ago MM mentions they're filming on Dec.11th..the 15 anniversary of the first victim being found on Gilgo, Dec.11, 2010.
Weird it's just uploaded now, so It's before the latest on the RH trial/ new documents.

ok,more!!
opened links in different windows... great background for a couple of hours

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

that will make me sad, in a sadistic way, I guess................
Can't you just imagine all of us watching THAT one???
We would learn much toomuch.