Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #17

[snarast]

Killing kids and torturing the wrong young ladies can allegedly lead to broken bones.

IMHOO

 

[snarast]

Will he still be her hero if he does plead guilty? I suspect there will be a Peacock sequel where she claims that she is in intense trauma counseling and the children also.

She will assume the role of ‘What was it like to be married to a serial killer, rapist and torturer’. She will do books, 48 Hours, Dateline, 20/20, Netflix, talk shows, etc

I wish someone would be brave enough to get footage from the dilapidated house.

I'm thinking once the shock subsides, some of his family members may start to direct the anger in the direction it should be aimed - straight at the sadistic animal who has destroyed so many lives - including their own.

IMHOO

 

[snarast]

RH didn't appear at his last court date and according to his defense he's been on crutches for about a month due to health issues.

We see that he's quite obese, probably has a very poor diet and suffers from lack of exercise.
Is a broken leg or torn muscle considered a health issue?
I don't consider them that.

I do consider nerve damage in one's legs/feet from diabetes a "health issue"
Maybe he does have health issues and that played into his decision if he does go for a guilty plea deal?
imo

Attorney: Rex Heuermann is dealing with health issues

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann has been on crutches for about a month and is dealing with health issues, his attorney Michael Brown told reporters following a brief court appearance in Riverhead Tuesday.

longisland.news12.com

The lack of exercise will kill him within 5-10 years, I think. He's huge and that is extremely unhealthy at that age, almost certainly even more so when he is not exercising (there's individual variation but also LIMITS). And if he's breaking bones - well, either he was jumped by 5 guys or he is seriously ill (cancer seems likely if so).

If he is pleading Åsa could finally play the role she should play. She wouldn't have to use the trite superhero complex that she seems to have been clinging desperately to since well before his arrest.

She didn't know - but deep down she had the subconscious insight of what kind of person he truly is. A demon that walks among us. Glad he doesn't walk among us, and glad he doesn't walk at all.

IMHOO

 

[Rhenish]

Well, I really have to hold my tongue because I harbor so much dislike for Asa as well as her murderous serial killer husband Rex. She is not a bright one, not at all, ....she is stupid-dumb in my opinion. Their daughter., she is their spawn so I will give her some grace....."apple doesn't fall far from the tree" . Asa... I think she is creepier than her husband. And now he wants to plead guilty because he has assessed all evidence against him.? What an utter pig, murderous and cruel pig "serial killer" that stole the lives of some beautiful women in tortuous manner's and I hope his health continues to deteriorate and he suffers greatly, and that dumb ass wife of his... I hope she has her comeuppance. UGH.

 

[snarast]

Well, I really have to hold my tongue because I harbor so much dislike for Asa as well as her murderous serial killer husband Rex. She is not a bright one, not at all, ....she is stupid-dumb in my opinion. Their daughter., she is their spawn so I will give her some grace....."apple doesn't fall far from the tree" . Asa... I think she is creepier than her husband. And now he wants to plead guilty because he has assessed all evidence against him.? What an utter pig, murderous and cruel pig "serial killer" that stole the lives of some beautiful women in tortuous manner's I hope his health continues to deteriorate and he suffers greatly, and that dumb ass wife of him.... I hope she has her comeuppance. UGH.

Totally. The people to think about are the victims and their families. I would hate for Karen not to get justice in some manner. One of her boys is disabled and I would absolutely HATE to see him unsupported and the Vergata family unavenged.

Karen Vergata is Rex's victim. Period. OK, the scientist in me will leave that at 99.9%.

IMHOO

 

[dennistakes14theteam]

Totally agree, Asa knew! That downstairs room, no one let in. Rex’s personality, busy with his “own activities” while family was on vacation elsewhere. I think, even the daughter knew. I don’t understand why Asa and daughter were not investigated more. The son, maybe did not know because of disability.

Anyway, good if Rex will plea out, LWOP. JMO

Completely agree with this. In a documentary about Levi Bellfield his wife / gf said she knew he used to go out and rape women but that it was that or he’d beat her so she’d made her peace with it. I often think that perhaps RHs wife had the same mindset

 

[snarast]

Completely agree with this. In a documentary about Levi Bellfield his wife / gf said she knew he used to go out and tape women but that it was that or he’d beat her so she’d made her peace with it. I often think that perhaps RHs wife had the same mindset

I don't think she knew. I just don't think anyone would put up with the cold hard truth about RH. It started with him saving her, then getting pregnant and simultaneously accepting the rough sex swinger situation (it's not confirmed but it makes sense and there are several sources). Then accepting the safe sex with pros situation. Then accepting his strange room because he's lived there all his life and it's just HIS.

I imagine she has been worrying about the impact RH has on the rest of the family, deep down she knows that the kind of art work they stash is far from healthy as a back drop, soundtrack to your life.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Without saying too much. I have been there. And while some people think I'm stupid about some things and smart about others - I have the "ability" to stick my head in the sand and hope for the best when I really REALLY shouldn't. It's like the only just response to certain actions is the immediate abolishment of whatever relationship you're involved in (friends, romance, work) - but it's so hard to abandon the hopes and dreams you have integrated into your life. The algorithms you live by. It's the kind of strength that you need to break addiction.

So I can't judge Åsa. Just can't. But when she knows the truth she must do whatever is best for his victims - among those are her children but also the other innocents who have been killed or had their souls maimed by this evil freak.

IMHOO

 

[dennistakes14theteam]

I don't think she knew. I just don't think anyone would put up with the cold hard truth about RH. It started with him saving her, then getting pregnant and simultaneously accepting the rough sex swinger situation (it's not confirmed but it makes sense and there are several sources). Then accepting the safe sex with pros situation. Then accepting his strange room because he's lived there all his life and it's just HIS.

I imagine she has been worrying about the impact RH has on the rest of the family, deep down she knows that the kind of art work they stash is far from healthy as a back drop, soundtrack to your life.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Without saying too much. I have been there. And while some people think I'm stupid about some things and smart about others - I have the "ability" to stick my head in the sand and hope for the best when I really REALLY shouldn't. It's like the only just response to certain actions is the immediate abolishment of whatever relationship you're involved in (friends, romance, work) - but it's so hard to abandon the hopes and dreams you have integrated into your life. The algorithms you live by. It's the kind of strength that you need to break addiction.

So I can't judge Åsa. Just can't. But when she knows the truth she must do whatever is best for his victims - among those are her children but also the other innocents who have been killed or had their souls maimed by this evil freak.

IMHOO

I see your point but if he ‘saved’ her then I think she’d be willing to overlook his ‘misdemeanours’. But if she did stick her head in the sand, that doesn’t necessarily mean she didn’t know, just that it was easier to pretend it wasn’t happening

 

[snooptroop88]

Okay, so reading up on the legal processes that might come into play in the scenario we're looking at now. Bear with me, I am not a lawyer, but here's what I'm seeing so far:

Just because the state has abolished the DP doesn't mean the DP doesn't come into play in NY, the feds can prosecute and pursue the DP, too. Were national parks involved as dump sites? Murderers often use them. If so, he could be in trouble. Likely this still wouldn't happen, though, as he's already getting LWOP.

In terms of extradition, am seeing New York is an abolition state. Extradition would not, based on what I can see, be in any way a gimme for the DP-seeking state. I bet it could be a gimme if they wanted it to be, though.

I've suspected forever this... (???)... committed murders in at least one DP state. 23 states have abolished DP. This is the DP state list, tried to bold the states with the higher DP rates:
Texas; Oklahoma; Florida; Missouri; Alabama; Louisiana; Mississippi; South Carolina; North Carolina; Georgia; Arizona;
Utah (rarely used); Nevada; Arkansas; Indiana; Kansas (rarely used); Nebraska (not considered aggressive); Kentucky (rarely used); Tennessee (resumed after hiatus, considered aggressive); Idaho; Montana (executions on hold/not considered aggressive);
Wyoming (not aggressive); South Dakota

Governor-imposed moratoria on DP: California (last done 2006); Oregon (last done 1997); Ohio (last done July 2018); Pennsylvania (last done July 1999)

Am wondering big time if this fear of extradition is behind the HK author's sudden blooming into The Accountability Project.

I don't think this is being done in any way to protect any other human being, including family members. In sum, all he really cares about is himself, and he's doing what he has to do to save his own hide. I hope the state makes him deliver big time to get any return on the "investment" that he undoubtedly views this deal to be, again jmo. So whether he likes it or not, thanks to the system being able to wave the DP stick in this case... probably the next Richard Cottingham. And jmo he's not doing it for butter. I bet there's something out of state. On that DP list, he's been to Nevada, he's been to South Carolina, he's been to Florida. Would be fairly certain based on the geography and notes I saw in his log in his docs that he was in Pennsylvania. And those are only the states we know about. While him having info on "associates" might also be a draw for LE, jmo, can only see him being "moved" by fear for the last thing he has left, and probably the only thing he ever really cared about, which is his life.

 

[snarast]

I see your point but if he ‘saved’ her then I think she’d be willing to overlook his ‘misdemeanours’. But if she did stick her head in the sand, that doesn’t necessarily mean she didn’t know, just that it was easier to pretend it wasn’t happening

Yeah. Except you think you can't survive if you can't maintain stability. And he is her source for stability. So more than overlooking, she is incorporating the avoidance of this topic into her being to the point where it's akin to the ability to walk/sleep etc. Something handled by the maintainance regions of the brain, like the brain stem, it handles basic needs stuff.

I'm not saying it's right at all, in fact I say get up and leave the moment something as alarming as swinger parties at home with a pregnant wife (allegedly) occurs. Get up, face the truth, leave. But I think there could be existential mechanism at work here.

IMHOO

 

[snarast]

Could you elaborate?

Am wondering big time if this fear of extradition is behind the HK author's sudden blooming into The Accountability Project.

 

[snooptroop88]

Could you elaborate?

Yep, meaning based on his violent and sadistic patterns, jmo he only cares about himself and his own self-preservation. I'm sorry, since that HK doc, I just... there's no way I'd ever buy into the notion of any kind of genuine remorse, or any kind of impulse to protect any human being other than himself, but it's jmo. The fear of DP is probably the only thing I can picture moving him to the point of taking a deal. Am wondering if there is something hovering somewhere that could somehow move him into DP territory. But it's purely speculation at this point.

He's been lying all his life, assuming AE didn't know, he was even lying to her. He was living a lie, the serial killer architect. The most honest thing about him was the Green Acres house, but jmo. Like I'd believe he'd just all of a sudden come Zestfully clean? I just don't buy it.

 

[snarast]

Yep, meaning based on his violent and sadistic patterns, jmo he only cares about himself and his own self-preservation. I'm sorry, since that HK doc, I just... there's no way I'd ever buy into the notion of any kind of genuine remorse, or any kind of impulse to protect any human being other than himself, but it's jmo. The fear of DP is probably the only thing I can picture moving him to the point of taking a deal. Am wondering if there is something hovering somewhere that could somehow move him into DP territory. But it's purely speculation at this point.

He's been lying all his life, assuming AE didn't know, he was even lying to her. He was living a lie, the serial killer architect. The most honest thing about him was the Green Acres house, but jmo. Like I'd believe he'd just all of a sudden come Zestfully clean? I just don't buy it.

Of course not. I do think DP and the torment he would be exposed to on death row could lead to this response. But so could probably a Dahmer fate. Except, RH is really hard to take down. But that doesn't mean that someone wouldn't slip him poison or something like that. A strychnine ending is pure torture. Fittingly.

IMHOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Many women weigh what would happen to them if they're dependent on the man for their financial lifestyle,then having a husband or boyfriend being incarcerated, even if bonded out if CPS is involved then the accused one probably can't return to the home because the children.

Women in this position could lose just about everything thereby their abused children or the victims of crimes husband/boyfriend are jailed for become unimportant.

This case is so unthinkably evil on so many fronts that if AE did pick up clues throughout the years she obviously chose to ignore them.

I remain disappointed that she was given a pass by Harrison from the get-go and never sat for interrogations even though I admire him and his team for bringing in RH.

AE lived with RH for thousands of days and nights between her summer vacations which is when he carried out his torturous murders.
imo

And not only all of that which you've pointed out, but she received thousands of $$$ from people who donated after her lawyer claimed she was in dire straits AND a million $$$$ from a documentary. Just for being the wife of a serial killer. I do not believe RH's lawyer when he claimed she "was in a world all her own".
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

AE lived with RH for thousands of days and nights between her summer vacations which is when he carried out his torturous murders.

Snipped. Absolutely true! She lived thousands of days and nights in that tiny home with him where he planned, researched, prepared, sought after, spoke to, met up with, tortured, murdered and dismembered young women, yet says she didn't have an inkling of his lifestyle. And she insists on being in the courtroom so she can see and hear for herself the details of his crimes. I don't believe anything about her ignorance.
MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I see your point but if he ‘saved’ her then I think she’d be willing to overlook his ‘misdemeanours’. But if she did stick her head in the sand, that doesn’t necessarily mean she didn’t know, just that it was easier to pretend it wasn’t happening

Like a bob dylan story....

She was married when they met, soon to divorced. He helped her out of the jam with too much force.

Paid for her legal fees, housed her and her young son, etc.

I wouldn't say he saved her, but the relationship, perhaps for a brief time an exciting diversion from her marriage, quickly morphed into her being dependent on him for everything. Pregnancy emphasized the dependence.

I don't think Rex did right by her, but she did more wrong to the victims, IMO, even if it is true she didn't know anything until the evening of Rex's arrest. When there are young mothers out there murdered, children who grew up without mothers, you don't kvetch about your plumbing being damaged in a search.

Then, that lawyer came in and repeated the pattern to her, helping her through a divorce with too much force.

I'm sure she's going through changes of some sort, but I don't think Rex's potential plea deal is harder to wrap ones cognitively dissonant head around than the actual accusations in the indictments. The plea can just be justified as what needs be done to deal with this particular legal problem. It will feel as sincere as her second divorce.

I do feel bad for her, but I have no excuses for her. She is someone constantly in the FA stage and AFAIK, she isn't ready to FO. At her own expense, but when she has a clown lawyer emphasizing her, it is unnecessarily and more importantly at the tremendous expense of the murder victims.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Like a bob dylan story....

She was married when they met, soon to divorced. He helped her out of the jam with too much force.

Paid for her legal fees, housed her and her young son, etc.

I wouldn't say he saved her, but the relationship, perhaps for a brief time an exciting diversion from her marriage, quickly morphed into her being dependent on him for everything. Pregnancy emphasized the dependence.

I don't think Rex did right by her, but she did more wrong to the victims, IMO, even if it is true she didn't know anything until the evening of Rex's arrest. When there are young mothers out there murdered, children who grew up without mothers, you don't kvetch about your plumbing being damaged in a search.

Then, that lawyer came in and repeated the pattern to her, helping her through a divorce with too much force.

I'm sure she's going through changes of some sort, but I don't think Rex's potential plea deal is harder to wrap ones cognitively dissonant head around than the actual accusations in the indictments. The plea can just be justified as what needs be done to deal with this particular legal problem. It will feel as sincere as her second divorce.

I do feel bad for her, but I have no excuses for her. She is someone constantly in the FA stage and AFAIK, she isn't ready to FO. At her own expense, but when she has a clown lawyer emphasizing her, it is unnecessarily and more importantly at the tremendous expense of the murder victims.

MOO

what a good read here.... @Ruminations

 

[Forest_Wood]

If he pleads guilty to these 7 murders, if Codis identifies his DNA on other murdered women, can he still be charged with more murders, and tried for those?

 

[Betty P]

Okay, so reading up on the legal processes that might come into play in the scenario we're looking at now. Bear with me, I am not a lawyer, but here's what I'm seeing so far:

Just because the state has abolished the DP doesn't mean the DP doesn't come into play in NY, the feds can prosecute and pursue the DP, too. Were national parks involved as dump sites? Murderers often use them. If so, he could be in trouble. Likely this still wouldn't happen, though, as he's already getting LWOP.

In terms of extradition, am seeing New York is an abolition state. Extradition would not, based on what I can see, be in any way a gimme for the DP-seeking state. I bet it could be a gimme if they wanted it to be, though.

I've suspected forever this... (???)... committed murders in at least one DP state. 23 states have abolished DP. This is the DP state list, tried to bold the states with the higher DP rates:
Texas; Oklahoma; Florida; Missouri; Alabama; Louisiana; Mississippi; South Carolina; North Carolina; Georgia; Arizona;
Utah (rarely used); Nevada; Arkansas; Indiana; Kansas (rarely used); Nebraska (not considered aggressive); Kentucky (rarely used); Tennessee (resumed after hiatus, considered aggressive); Idaho; Montana (executions on hold/not considered aggressive);
Wyoming (not aggressive); South Dakota

Governor-imposed moratoria on DP: California (last done 2006); Oregon (last done 1997); Ohio (last done July 2018); Pennsylvania (last done July 1999)

Am wondering big time if this fear of extradition is behind the HK author's sudden blooming into The Accountability Project.

I don't think this is being done in any way to protect any other human being, including family members. In sum, all he really cares about is himself, and he's doing what he has to do to save his own hide. I hope the state makes him deliver big time to get any return on the "investment" that he undoubtedly views this deal to be, again jmo. So whether he likes it or not, thanks to the system being able to wave the DP stick in this case... probably the next Richard Cottingham. And jmo he's not doing it for butter. I bet there's something out of state. On that DP list, he's been to Nevada, he's been to South Carolina, he's been to Florida. Would be fairly certain based on the geography and notes I saw in his log in his docs that he was in Pennsylvania. And those are only the states we know about. While him having info on "associates" might also be a draw for LE, jmo, can only see him being "moved" by fear for the last thing he has left, and probably the only thing he ever really cared about, which is his life.

While RH may have victims in other states, it’s possible his DNA won’t be linked to any of them. Unfortunately, many states don’t budget sufficiently to test DNA evidence on older murder cases.

I sincerely hope part of the plea deal includes agreement he will provide information about other victims. He should be required submit to interviews with LE from other jurisdictions before they give him special treatment.

I agree with everyone above that he’s only motivated for his own benefit. He’s spent his entire adult life bringing death and suffering to others for his own enjoyment and isn’t likely to change now.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Why are they just hanging outside. I dont understand why they are there

ditto.