Girl with dark long hair and fur coat.

[Beekarina]

On the topic of comparing photographs, isn't Websleuths the proper place to pose some of the less likely possibilities? I think of it this way: A lot of the long missing (i.e. the 1960s-early 1980s) have only one or two photos available, often of poor quality, and not dated close to the time they disappeared, and really, what harm is there in discussing a match here? No resources are wasted.We're not bothering law enforcement chatting amongst ourselves. Most matches suggested on WS are incorrect. But...maybe something will click in the discussion and move the direction where it needs to be? It could be some really tiny, strange detail overlooked for decades.

 

[Daphne1972]

Diane Miller, 22, was found murdered in Maryland in 1978. She reminds me of Fur Girl. Could somebody who's registered with Classmates put her pic here? Then we have two pictures to compare her with Fur Girl. The attached pic is the only one connected to her cold case:
Diane Lynn Miller: Nov. 24, 1978

https://www.classmates.com/siteui/ybsearch/results?q=Miller&yearbookId=130239

 

[Beekarina]

I just saw something really unusual. MyHeritage Deep Nostalgia™, deep learning technology to animate the faces in still family photos - MyHeritage

It is a bit strange, but when I saw a thread on Twitter of historical figures using this tech, my first thought was to to wonder if this might be useful for UIDs and for the type of work @CarlK90245 does?

Posting it in this thread, since I'm not really sure where to mention it, and I know we have discussed other photography related things here.

 

[Daphne1972]

I think this is his own pseudo apartment in Monterey Park, so 1977/1979 period. Unless his mother's house was the same in 1974.

It was a bedroom, other room and bathroom.

I still think that Diane looks a lot like her, but she was murdered in Maryland. Still what if she visited CA and later on he went to visit her?

 

[willy wagtail]

What do you think?

 

[SunnySomber]

What do you think?

I dont think its the same woman but I can see some traits. The woman on the right has thinner lips and a rounder face. The woman on the left has more angular facial features to me including the nose which seems to be shaped different in the nostrial area

 

[Pseudonymph]

I dont think its the same woman but I can see some traits. The woman on the right has thinner lips and a rounder face. The woman on the left has more angular facial features to me including the nose which seems to be shaped different in the nostrial area

The lips could be swollen from injuries. I really see a resemblance here, assuming that the missing photo is of a younger and much happier girl. Their eyes appear to be different colors though but old photos aren't reliable there.

 

[Truman]

What do you think?

Is the girl on the right a missing person?

 

[snooptroop88]

I can never, never find any Doe or MP that resembles this girl. I've definitely tried, but in months, probably over a year now, I have never run across even one image with a resemblance. I looked again today. I still do not see anyone that resembles this girl. She has very distinctive features, jmo. As I look through on this thread, think that yearbook girl really does look like her. Don't think so on Ellen Hover, though. But just saying, I've looked and looked and looked again and again, I never find anyone in Namus, Doe Network, etc that I think really looks like that girl. BUT I did find something kind of related, and I can't tell if there's anything to it or not. This girl in the Alcala images has that white fur coat. Guessing 70s timeframe. I've got no idea of whether that's NY or CA because that's such a tight shot, some on different threads wonder if she's not from around the Russian River in CA. There's an MP that went missing back in 1972 from Chicago that was wearing a white fur coat, Edna McIntyre:

Edna Faye McIntyre – The Charley Project

Alcala was in prison when Edna disappeared and wouldn't be released until over five years following her disappearance, so I thought this was just a coincidence, fur coats in that timeframe are... I don't know if I'd say they're common, but they're definitely around. But I've been wondering about it, and while I don't think Edna is the girl wearing the white coat in the Alcala images, am wondering on this photo, and the blonde girl specifically:

None of these photos are the best for comparisons. There's profile only for the girl in this Alcala image and pretty much straight-on face b/w shots only for Edna. But I think that might be more than just a superficial resemblance. And the reason I'm really wondering about all of this is that I've had the feeling for some time that Alcala collected wardrobe items from prior subjects. Whether he stole them, took them after doing something unspeakable, or whether people might have paid for head shots with items, I've got no idea. But based on some of the duplication in the photos among subjects and certain items, I'm pretty sure he was doing this. And that's why I'm so struck by this thing with the white fur coat, and the resemblance of this blonde girl to Edna, who has never been found.

 

[jackornaught]

I just saw something really unusual. MyHeritage Deep Nostalgia™, deep learning technology to animate the faces in still family photos - MyHeritage

It is a bit strange, but when I saw a thread on Twitter of historical figures using this tech, my first thought was to to wonder if this might be useful for UIDs and for the type of work @CarlK90245 does?

Posting it in this thread, since I'm not really sure where to mention it, and I know we have discussed other photography related things here.

Great idea, in my opinion. Any tool is helpful.

 

[jackornaught]

I can never, never find any Doe or MP that resembles this girl. I've definitely tried, but in months, probably over a year now, I have never run across even one image with a resemblance. I looked again today. I still do not see anyone that resembles this girl. She has very distinctive features, jmo. As I look through on this thread, think that yearbook girl really does look like her. Don't think so on Ellen Hover, though. But just saying, I've looked and looked and looked again and again, I never find anyone in Namus, Doe Network, etc that I think really looks like that girl. BUT I did find something kind of related, and I can't tell if there's anything to it or not. This girl in the Alcala images has that white fur coat. Guessing 70s timeframe. I've got no idea of whether that's NY or CA because that's such a tight shot, some on different threads wonder if she's not from around the Russian River in CA. There's an MP that went missing back in 1972 from Chicago that was wearing a white fur coat, Edna McIntyre:
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Edna Faye McIntyre – The Charley Project

Alcala was in prison when Edna disappeared and wouldn't be released until over five years following her disappearance, so I thought this was just a coincidence, fur coats in that timeframe are... I don't know if I'd say they're common, but they're definitely around. But I've been wondering about it, and while I don't think Edna is the girl wearing the white coat in the Alcala images, am wondering on this photo, and the blonde girl specifically:
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None of these photos are the best for comparisons. There's profile only for the girl in this Alcala image and pretty much straight-on face b/w shots only for Edna. But I think that might be more than just a superficial resemblance. And the reason I'm really wondering about all of this is that I've had the feeling for some time that Alcala collected wardrobe items from prior subjects. Whether he stole them, took them after doing something unspeakable, or whether people might have paid for head shots with items, I've got no idea. But based on some of the duplication in the photos among subjects and certain items, I'm pretty sure he was doing this. And that's why I'm so struck by this thing with the white fur coat, and the resemblance of this blonde girl to Edna, who has never been found.

What made you think of the Russian River area? Just curious. The Russian River runs from Ukiah (Lake Mendocino) all the way to Jenner. When I think of the Russian River I generally think of Healdsburg, Guerneville, an Monte Rio.

Let me know what you were thinking about this area.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What do you think?

Victim has hazel green eyes, not blue. Forehead is lower/smaller, and lip shape and size different. Philtrim on Victim is smaller.
I would have to say not a match, but a very good comparison you found.

This girl has haunted me for a long time.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[snooptroop88]

What made you think of the Russian River area? Just curious. The Russian River runs from Ukiah (Lake Mendocino) all the way to Jenner. When I think of the Russian River I generally think of Healdsburg, Guerneville, an Monte Rio.

Let me know what you were thinking about this area.

I remember someone on one of these threads was saying that the poster thought girl with fur coat might be tied in with Russian River, or from that area, if memory serves me correctly. I don't know what the exact logic was behind it, maybe ethnicity because the girl has such unusual and distinctive features (that's what I got from it, anyway). And as I'm researching now, she may well have a bit of a stereotypical "Russian look" to her, and my guess is that poster was suggesting she might appear to be (at least partially) Russian descent. (Just as an aside, I've been told in the past that I have very "ethnic" features, I don't know if it's true, but I suppose generally someone might well have such a "look".) But I was really intrigued by the comment about Russian River, too, because suspected he was up in the Sonoma region, so I always remembered this thing with this girl and Russian River. (As I'm thinking about it now, though, also wondering if the fur coat might read a little more Sonoma because it's cooler up in northern CA than southern CA generally...?)

Reasons I suspect he's been up in Sonoma region and Napa have to do with a bunch of connections among different photos, Think he was at Scandinavian festivals based on what I saw in some of his photos, and this festival was likely near a beach. Blonde girl with mule photo shows that girl all dressed up in a costume with Danish heart symbols and the mule all decked out for what looks like an ethnic festival in some populated area. And there are some pretty substantial pockets of Swedes in some of these areas, and some festvals up there. Lemme see if I can go back and find the places that I saw before... Petaluma, Healdsburg, Freya Lodge in Santa Rosa, Helgeland in Napa (moreover, was thinking he was in Petaluma based on a couple of his photos and the design of a motel that was in those photos) The little Danish heart appears again in other photos.with other girls on a beach carrying unusual medieval musical instruments used by Danes ("rebecs"). So guessing that all those images are all tied in with the same festival and that beach would be near wherever girl with mule was.

There are definitely other places this could be. It might be Solvang Danish Days in Santa Barbara. In yet other Alcala beach photos, there are people looking pretty athletic that seem to be getting "suited up" for some sport, maybe it's beach volleyball, which is apparently pretty imbued in Solvang culture. If it's Solvang, that's way south. Could also be Thousand Oaks, there's a big Danish fest in Thousand Oaks. JMO for what it's worth because I'm not from CA, from all the images I could get my hands on, the beach looked to me more like Sonoma than southern CA.