Going back to the beginning

[uvamerica]

Someone please listen to the last video at the 5:16 mark where Ron states that no one else has a key to the MH; did I hear Teresa say in the background "I have one"?

HI LT, I listened to that interview its hard to hear with NG talking, but thats what I could make out also 'I have one'

 

[uvamerica]

NG asked TN and RC at the 7 mm who was at the home that evening so it makes no sense to me why Ron would say my cousin wasn't there. NG wants to know who was there, not who wasn't there. How could Ron make this mistake? Unfortunately the reason it is difficult to hear Ron is because he spoke while his mother was talking and NG did not ask Ron to clarify what he said. Hope is Ron’s cousin and Ron has male cousins as well.

The transcript reads:

Snip http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIdhmJ_uxtg&feature=player_embedded#


If HaLeigh and Junior were sleeping in their father’s bedroom on Monday night, they would more than likely use the bathroom in the master bedroom and not need to leave the room during the night. If they needed a drink of water, they could get it from the tap. They had lived in the trailer for 3 months and feared the dark, so Jr and HaLeigh may have been too frightened to even leave the bedroom on their own.

Q: Did Misty claim Junior left the bed and bedroom Monday after she got into bed with him?

Q: Were the tan shorts HaLeigh wore to bed Monday evening found in the home? TIA.

Hi Bluesky, I have much trouble with what the sleeping arrangments were in the Cummings house hold. Did the kids not have their own bedrooms? Why are they sleeping with their father and his child girlfriend. I believe that Misty was exhausted after her 3 day binge and passed out and left the kids to do whatever. Misty said that JR. got up and was walking about and she just rolled over and went back to sleep?Why did she not get up with him? Because she was actually passed out. The kids could have gotten into anything. Now RC states that he put the locks on the door and claims that no one else had a key, perhaps TN had a key and also Misty. So why and how do they keep saying that someone broke in the back door, when it was obvious that LE said the door had not been broken into. Some one had to have a key and unlocked that door, which brings us back to RC,TN and MC . MC being passed out answers the question of why her story is inconsistent because she is not sure what bed the kids were in or what Haleigh had on, Misty probably does not remember anything after everyone left because she was so tired or drugged out. Remember that MC did not want to babysit that night.

 

[B4igo2it]

I respectfully disagree. The transcript says Ron said his cousin went in there. Why would Ron mention it if it didn't happen? It's a shame NG didn't ask Ron to name his cousin.

I thought the repairman just happened to be one of RC's cousins? I thought misty said that on the hypnosis (didn't she? this case, my memory, reminds me of how old I M getting ...)

 

[B4igo2it]

snips of interest from America's Most Wanted Website (link below):

Merchant confirmed that an air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved. Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi. Police have not focused the investigation on any individual at this point.

Cops said a canvass of the neighborhood Monday, Feb 16, 2009 brought in several new leads, but have not said what those leads are. The search scaled back Monday, but Putnam Sheriffs continue to investigate Haleigh's mysterious disappearance. Ronald, Misty and crystal's fiance are among those re-questioned.
(Why would CS fiance be re-questioned after a neighborhood canvas?)
On Feb. 26, 2009 investigators launched a K-9 search, using cadaver dogs to cover the area within a 1/4 mile radius of the home, according to Capt. Rick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Police expect a dozen K-9 teams, made up of a dog and a handler, to be in the area by Feb. 27.

Schauland said Misty was re-questioned on Feb. 25 and a child protection team interviewed Haleigh's brother, Ronald Jr. Cops have not said what the interviews revealed and have not addressed the possibility that a man dressed in black took Haleigh. But they have said they are looking into the information they obtained.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

In the same article:

Ronald told AMW on the evening of Feb. 12, 2009 that there were two beds in the room where Misty and the children were sleeping. Ronald said Misty and Junior were in one bed and Haleigh was sleeping in another, a few feet away. *** Misty originally told police that all three of them were sleeping in the same bed, according to Inv. Merchant.

*** It has already been reported and confirmed by LE that Ron Cummings did not pick up Haleigh ... Where was Jr. if the beds were not slept in and they were made up? Jr was ...
http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/01/haleigh-cummings-stepmoms-voice-stress-test/

*** Remember police and Ronald confirmed to me that Misty had not slept in the bed that night. When police arrived at the trailer the night Haleigh disappeared, the bed was made and it had NOT been slept in.http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/breaking-haleigh-cummings/
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I dont know what the Cummings family have over Misty's head to convince her to go along with "the script" :waitasec: I do not believe she was at 202 Green Lane babysitting the kids. :snooty: JMO

 

[TxLady2]

LOL, I was born and raised in a rural area of the South and I heard: My cousin wuddn't there. This word "wuddn't" is used by country folk for the word "wasn't". IMO, that was what Ronald Cummings was saying.

Exactly. Thanks for pointing this out.

 

[twall]

Someone please listen to the last video at the 5:16 mark where Ron states that no one else has a key to the MH; did I hear Teresa say in the background "I have one"?

I think it is Patty, the woman who records and posts the videos on YT saying OHHHHH in the background. At times she comments or can be heard expressing her thoughts.

 

[twall]

NG asked TN and RC at the 7 mm who was at the home that evening so it makes no sense to me why Ron would say my cousin wasn't there. NG wants to know who was there, not who wasn't there. How could Ron make this mistake? Unfortunately the reason it is difficult to hear Ron is because he spoke while his mother was talking and NG did not ask Ron to clarify what he said. Hope is Ron’s cousin and Ron has male cousins as well.

The transcript reads:

Snip http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIdhmJ_uxtg&feature=player_embedded#


If HaLeigh and Junior were sleeping in their father’s bedroom on Monday night, they would more than likely use the bathroom in the master bedroom and not need to leave the room during the night. If they needed a drink of water, they could get it from the tap. They had lived in the trailer for 3 months and feared the dark, so Jr and HaLeigh may have been too frightened to even leave the bedroom on their own.

Q: Did Misty claim Junior left the bed and bedroom Monday after she got into bed with him?

Q: Were the tan shorts HaLeigh wore to bed Monday evening found in the home? TIA.

Ron is correcting Nancy when she said the cousin was at his home the evening of Feb. 9. He said "the cousin wuddnt there".

 

[twall]

I thought the repairman just happened to be one of RC's cousins? I thought misty said that on the hypnosis (didn't she? this case, my memory, reminds me of how old I M getting ...)

In the hypnosis video Misty said an ex of Ron's cousin works at the same place as the repairman who was at their home the late afternoon of Feb. 9, she was trying to recall the name of the company.

10:10 in this video

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

 

[Nonni Brenda]

In the hypnosis video Misty said an ex of Ron's cousin works at the same place as the repairman who was at their home the late afternoon of Feb. 9, she was trying to recall the name of the company.

10:10 in this video

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

You have good memory to remember such details. I'm not even getting a lot of it. My poor memory is really shot.:blushing:

 

[lonetraveler]

You may be correct, I hear her say something that resembles "I have one" but, I can't be sure.

However, what I did notice during that video is that Ron seems surprised at the statement of the caller that there was a cousin at the MH earlier that night besides the A/C repairman and denies that. Then when the camera is switched to TN, she is asked that question and she mentions the A/C repairman and her mother stopping by with clothes but skips right over the "cousin" question. She seemed to be half hearing NG when she asks this though.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there? The cousin was there who police have investigated?

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

My point is only this. He denies it and she avoids the question regarding the cousin question only to admit it 3 seconds later with the conclusive question from NG. Do we know how the issue of Misty's cousin being at the house earlier came up? Was it something Misty said?

Nancy had mentioned earlier in the show that probably someone who had been in the MH that day knew where the kitchen light switch was and asked Marlena Shiavo who had been at the MH that day. It was Marlena Shiavo who first mentioned that the cousin who was visiting had been there earlier (wasn't clear if she meant earlier than February 9th or earlier that same day or evening). Nancy was repeating part of what Marlena Shiavo and said "and the cousin was there, this is when Ronald responded to correct what she was saying and said the "Cousin wuddn't there" comment. KWIM?

 

[lonetraveler]

Ron is correcting Nancy when she said the cousin was at his home the evening of Feb. 9. He said "the cousin wuddnt there".

OOPS! Sorry twall, I just posted the same thing.

ETA: Just wanted to point out that Ronald is adamant that the cousin wuddn't there at the same time that he is adamant that "He doesn't know, he wus at werk!" Contradictary isn't it? How would Ronald absolutely know that the cousin wuddn't there if he was at work?

 

[lonetraveler]

snips of interest from America's Most Wanted Website (link below):

Merchant confirmed that an air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved. Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi. Police have not focused the investigation on any individual at this point.

Cops said a canvass of the neighborhood Monday, Feb 16, 2009 brought in several new leads, but have not said what those leads are. The search scaled back Monday, but Putnam Sheriffs continue to investigate Haleigh's mysterious disappearance. Ronald, Misty and crystal's fiance are among those re-questioned.
(Why would CS fiance be re-questioned after a neighborhood canvas?)
On Feb. 26, 2009 investigators launched a K-9 search, using cadaver dogs to cover the area within a 1/4 mile radius of the home, according to Capt. Rick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Police expect a dozen K-9 teams, made up of a dog and a handler, to be in the area by Feb. 27.

Schauland said Misty was re-questioned on Feb. 25 and a child protection team interviewed Haleigh's brother, Ronald Jr. Cops have not said what the interviews revealed and have not addressed the possibility that a man dressed in black took Haleigh. But they have said they are looking into the information they obtained.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

In the same article:

Ronald told AMW on the evening of Feb. 12, 2009 that there were two beds in the room where Misty and the children were sleeping. Ronald said Misty and Junior were in one bed and Haleigh was sleeping in another, a few feet away. *** Misty originally told police that all three of them were sleeping in the same bed, according to Inv. Merchant.

*** It has already been reported and confirmed by LE that Ron Cummings did not pick up Haleigh ... Where was Jr. if the beds were not slept in and they were made up? Jr was ...
http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/01/haleigh-cummings-stepmoms-voice-stress-test/

*** Remember police and Ronald confirmed to me that Misty had not slept in the bed that night. When police arrived at the trailer the night Haleigh disappeared, the bed was made and it had NOT been slept in.http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/breaking-haleigh-cummings/
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I dont know what the Cummings family have over Misty's head to convince her to go along with "the script" :waitasec: I do not believe she was at 202 Green Lane babysitting the kids. :snooty: JMO

BBM: I don't think that Misty was babysitting that night either. As far as the bed being made; I can't see Ronald making the bed, ever. However, I can see Ronald's mother tidying and cleaning up while she waits for Misty to show up early that morning so that the 911 call can be made.

 

[lonetraveler]

HI LT, I listened to that interview its hard to hear with NG talking, but thats what I could make out also 'I have one'

I listened a few times and I do think it is Teresa correcting Ron and saying that she has a key. Thanks.

 

[1Chump]

Why do some pple think that RC's plea deal had anything to do with Haleigh's case? RC has said that he does not know what happened to Haleigh. RC was busted for drugs. The only thing that has happened after the plea, is many drug dealers have been arrested and continue to be arrested. So it would seem that RC's plea had nothing to do with Haleigh.

In March 2009, Ron hired an attorney and stopped answering LE's questions. LE NEVER was able to question him on any "evidence" they received.

Ron's attorney stated the deal included Ron sitting down with detectives and answering all their questions about Haleigh truthfully.

IMO, that was the point of the deal. For LE to finally be able to get Ron under penalty of perjury answering their questions. As neither Ron nor his attorney know what "evidence" LE has collected, Ron cannot fit his answers to that evidence.

 

[Cazzie]

What is going on with Misty's legal status? Sorry, I haven't had time to catch up with the case and didn't follow it at all from the beginning.

An aside...someone started a thread on "three whites" (about eyes) and posted a photo of Misty. She looked like the next generation of Manson girls...yikes!

 

[1Chump]

OOPS! Sorry twall, I just posted the same thing.

ETA: Just wanted to point out that Ronald is adamant that the cousin wuddn't there at the same time that he is adamant that "He doesn't know, he wus at werk!" Contradictary isn't it? How would Ronald absolutely know that the cousin wuddn't there if he was at work?

Maybe the same way that Ron is so sure that Misty was wrong about where they all slept.

 

[suspicious1]

police and Ronald confirmed to me that Misty had not slept in the bed that night. When police arrived at the trailer the night Haleigh disappeared, the bed was made and it had NOT been slept in.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/breaking-haleigh-cummings/

BBM: I don't think that Misty was babysitting that night either. As far as the bed being made; I can't see Ronald making the bed, ever. However, I can see Ronald's mother tidying and cleaning up while she waits for Misty to show up early that morning so that the 911 call can be made.

LOL, I agree with you, Lone. As far as the beds being made...I've been thinking about this for a few days...So LE and Ron claim that the bed had NOT been slept in....:waitasec: So I'm wondering who made those beds? I just don't see Ron being a bed maker...Misty either, for that matter...So who made those beds? Now, if Misty was in this alone...and her story was that she went to bed around 10pm, woke up and Haleigh was gone.....why would she make the beds? You would think that if she was trying to stick with her "alibi"....if anything, she would want the beds to appear to be slept in...messed up, KWIM? It wouldn't make any sense to make the beds but tell LE and Ron that you had been sleep all night. Sleep where? on the couch? but she claim that they got in the bed. IMO, there would be no reason for Misty to make the bed..clearly, it wouldn't jive with the story that she was trying to sell...Misty couldn't be that stupid, could she?

And what about them sleeping in all day? Sleeping where? So after sleeping all day...Ron and/or Misty thought to make the beds?:waitasec: It just doesn't make sense to me.

IMO, someone else made that bed. Ron made it known that the bed had not been slept in....but in other interviews he offered his input as to where they all slept:waitasec:. But if he had known that the bed had not been slept in, why would he offer his input as to where they all slept? And furthermore, he did not believe that Misty ever left that mh that night...So what did Ron think she was doing? Even LE claims that what Misty said she was doing....was all a LIE. And it seems like Ron with his "bed not slept in" comment...also had reason to believe that Misty was not telling the truth about what happened that night.....but he continued to stand behind her. WTH?

 

[suspicious1]

BBM: I don't think that Misty was babysitting that night either. As far as the bed being made; I can't see Ronald making the bed, ever. However, I can see Ronald's mother tidying and cleaning up while she waits for Misty to show up early that morning so that the 911 call can be made.

You may be correct, I hear her say something that resembles "I have one" but, I can't be sure.

However, what I did notice during that video is that Ron seems surprised at the statement of the caller that there was a cousin at the MH earlier that night besides the A/C repairman and denies that. Then when the camera is switched to TN, she is asked that question and she mentions the A/C repairman and her mother stopping by with clothes but skips right over the "cousin" question. She seemed to be half hearing NG when she asks this though.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there? The cousin was there who police have investigated?

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

My point is only this. He denies it and she avoids the question regarding the cousin question only to admit it 3 seconds later with the conclusive question from NG. Do we know how the issue of Misty's cousin being at the house earlier came up? Was it something Misty said?

BBM

When I first heard this...IMO, it seemed a little off. Maybe it's just me but that statement made me think that Teresa was there at the mh when GMSykes got there. It would have seemed a little more convincing if Teresa had said "My mother went by there that night".. "My mother came by that night" sounds as if Teresa had been present at that mh that evening.JMO

And then we have Lt.Greenwood publicly stating that it was Teresa at the mh that evening. I think she was there...and I also think she may be the one who made that bed. JMO of course

So in the process of cleaning up the mh prior to calling 911....someone thought to make the beds but prop the back door open to make it look like a break in while everyone slept?

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thank you for your thoughts. If you go back to the beginning TN stated early on the she thought that Haleigh may have just been hiding under a bed. If she had been in the home several times/ being the Grandma and all, then she must have seen full beds that were off the floor, not just mattresses on the floor. Surely she didn't think that Haleigh was hiding under a mattress on the floor. So, you see why I question as to where the rest of the beds went? :waitasec:

And as to RC being lead by the things that MC said in the beginning...that's up to the individual too. As I seen it, it was RC who was making MC correct the things that she stated. Not the other way around. Example: MC states, she was 4 inches away. RC shakes he and says, no. MC looks puzzled and questions, NO? RC corrects her with she was 4 feet away. How would he know if he was at werk?

Of course we could go round and round about what our individual opinions are.. As for the example given about 4 inches vs. 4ft..well that would be common sense correction, and then even if that wasn't the case you could definitely say that seeing as how it was his mh he more than likely would know where his daughters bed was in relation to his bed..the bed was there prior to that night..therefor it is something that he would possibly be aware of{i.e. the approx. distance of Haleighs bed from his bed}

Originally posted by Baznme
and this is a "fact" because why? The word "fact" is taken very seriously here and IMO unless we have that in writing from LE that he wasn't there, this is just another theory, not "fact".

When you put two liars in the same room, it's very difficult to come up with anything that resembles the truth.

I am well aware of what is taken seriously not only in this forum but here at WS in general.. I have closely followed this case from day one{here on WS}..

and if a post needs to be picked apart{when its obvious that the words used together are a very common phrase}well, that is a person's prerogative .. But What was stated in that post is my opinion and view and I do not mind in the slightest if it is unpopular and/or felt as tho it needs to be picked apart..

My opinion and view is just as valid as every single other view and opinion here in this Forum as well as all others here at WS.. It is for that reason that I enjoy what Tricia has given us as an outlet to express and discuss our views/opinions/thoughts/feelings on the many tragic cases such as Haleighs..

 

[Baznme]

Of course we could go round and round about what our individual opinions are.. As for the example given about 4 inches vs. 4ft..well that would be common sense correction, and then even if that wasn't the case you could definitely say that seeing as how it was his mh he more than likely would know where his daughters bed was in relation to his bed..the bed was there prior to that night..therefor it is something that he would possibly be aware of{i.e. the approx. distance of Haleighs bed from his bed}



I am well aware of what is taken seriously not only in this forum but here at WS in general.. I have closely followed this case from day one{here on WS}..

and if a post needs to be picked apart{when its obvious that the words used together are a very common phrase}well, that is a person's prerogative .. But What was stated in that post is my opinion and view and I do not mind in the slightest if it is unpopular and/or felt as tho it needs to be picked apart..

My opinion and view is just as valid as every single other view and opinion here in this Forum as well as all others here at WS.. It is for that reason that I enjoy what Tricia has given us as an outlet to express and discuss our views/opinions/thoughts/feelings on the many tragic cases such as Haleighs..

We have specific threads that ask for "facts" to help all of us here to figure out what is established and what is "opinion". It is obvious that you are sensitive to being asked to establish why your opinion was described as "fact". It was not meant to insult you. Simply to establish why you described it as such. I too have followed this case from day one. As a matter of fact, I've been to Satsuma searching for Haleigh. Not looking for a pat on the back, just simply trying to let you know that I too have a long emotional vested interest as to what happened to her.