*graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

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4/4/08 testimony

Nurmi requests sequestration of jury . . . last night interview tapes of JA's parents and journal entries from JA . . . broadcast and read adnauseum . . .

also proseutorial misconduct motion still up . . .

alleges county atty released . . . .
there was a public records reuest . . .JM doesn't watch media as much as defense

there are many public record requests pending

Nurmi says this case needs to be tried in the courtroom . . not in the media = like county Atty's want to try this case elsewhere (ie: media public)

fiction/fairy tale to believe jurors are not hearing this . . . release of info affect JA's right to fair trial . . . if we are to believe this fiction that jury doesn't see it - beyond belief

jury #1, 6, 17 and 14 may have been photographed by HLN photographer this morning - Nurmi witnessed it himself as they were getting off jury bus?

sequester jury immediately - per Nurmi

JM doesn't know where Nurmi gets clairvoyance to know what the jurors are thinking and feeling . . .. it is problematic to say juors are lying and nothing to back it up . .. no reason to believe jurors are watching anything when they say they are not. . . . Nurmi watches more media than JM has seen . . .

we can fictionalize what we believe what they are seeing or not . . we can question them as they come into court. . ..

Judge - admonished jury . . .inquired on regular basis in courtroom and 1:1 in chambers with jurors present . . . no evidence jurors have seen any media in this case - based on law n this State . . State vs. Shad . . State vs. Atwood, State vs. Bible, State vs. Tyson. - Denied.

motion for mistrial testimony last week . . . additional witness is available today - Nurmi do you want to call that witness today?

Nurmi has court been given ? . . . have not . . .
want court to review it and Ms. Wong . . .

if time made elsewhere we can pick motion up due to ALV being ill.

ja talking with Wilmot


Judge asks jury if seen media or anyone talked to them about case = see no hands.

ALV on the stand . . . nature of TA and JA relatainship - violent to loving respite . . . text from 2008 - TA invites JA over . . . make herself @ home . . . yes

March 2008 - comfy relationship - lots back and forth - both inviting one another to things . . .during periods things pretty ok.

make yourself @ home - welcome to be there . . . aware of any other communications with other women he complained of having stalker - said it to Regan and Lisa.

any indications of stalking from JA to TA?
objection - lack foundation
approach


overruled . . .
everything you have reviewed . . . did you ever see any indications of stalking from JA to TA?

no it doesn't indicate any stalking oing on . .
nature of relationship - willingness to have her over -connection between each other.

late March 2008 text messages between JA and TA - continue general natural type relationship between two of them - yes . . yes

TA tells JA empty voice mail - been trying to get ahold of her for week . .. ALV gets texts and IM's mixed up - both on paper.

he nice about it or an order from him? . . . .seems like he is
objection X2
approach


based upon TA's words in written communication and experience deal w/men with controlling issues . . . he was upset her voicemail full - unable to get in touch with her for a week - told her to empty it . . .

objection - hearsay X2
sustained

how he told her to do it?
ordering her to do it

TA and Krishelle (sic?) . .. another woman he was communicating with . .. overall subject matter - graphically sexual but also impression she was a vulnerable woman - married . . .

she writes emails back to him - impression of her?
she was emotionally
objection hearsay
sustained

may we approach

(is this the married woman we have heard about?)
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Text messages 3/30/08 - argument going on between JA and TA . . . TA is upset because JA hung up on him . . . she hung up because he was swearing @ her.

yes

these texts last 35 - 40 min . . . JA was able to hang up on TA after swearing - she is able to start to have some boundaries with him . .. further evidence of her pulling away from him - she is able to distance with boundaries. . . . she completely out of relationship? no not @ all.

moments where victims stand up to abusers and go right back to them.

on 4/1/08 - right after argument of 3/30 - TA text @ 5:45 - he will miss JA - he apologizes and says she is fantastic person.

April 2008 = it is month JA leaves . . . something else important about 4/1 text -impression is if he had treated her half as well as she deserved they would not have had argument. - getting an apology from this.

abusive men in groups blame selves

missed some testimony - got phone call

how severe choking was? . . she lost consciousness - and woke up a little while later.
where is choking on conflict tactic scale - very high on scale - personal, close up, life threatening, serious form of abuse in ALV opinion - escalation - 1 month difference

oct to jan, jan to mar, mar to april, and intenstity is increasing.

JA said she started to defend self but afraid she would hurt him and stopped. . . . not inconsistent when taken self-defense classs -experience of physical contact most women do not have that kind of experience - uncomfy with hurting someone else

she lost consciousness. . . .
minimizing? . . . JA fair amount of minimizing going on with physical and emotional abuse . . take incident make it less important or significant than it is to others. . . many battered women minimize abuse taken . .

hard to take in something very painful to you - easier to make it less than what it really is . . .what used to be a crime is a misdemeanor . . . nobody ever lay hand on me or call me that is happening and I am not ready to leave relationship - hope they don't go further until they go further- gradual nature one of reasons minimize

protect abusers reputation - or not talk about it all . . . common not to report, not to go to Dr. or LEO . . . detect minimization from her? .. . yes since first time talked with her . . . not seen as abuse . . . . minimize instances . . . .

minimize throughout im's and text messages - she moves on after aggressive and demeaning context of conversation . . she moves on. . .

in April see escalation in violence . . . .seeing more in April . . . April 7, 2008 . . . exhibit #444
he's asking where are you? . . . Holister . . . . normal conversation

skip to few hours later . . . long text message from TA . . . zooms in to see it on screen . . .just hours prior - normal conversation . . . do not call me or text me anything - he wants info from her . . . what this tirade is about . . . . TA wanted identity of woman come to her resteraunt said TA had a significant relationship with Lisa Andrews . . .

he's talking about her getting that info right away - it takes 15 min and she won't take that time . . . he accuse her of lying . . . . give me info or leave me alone . . . a lie like noother - freaking foolish - screwed up story can't mend it . . . another told her he was in realtion with another woman while in relaton with jody . . . he is upset and angry . . .. turns to threats . . you have til tomorrow - threaten to tell Hughes - in Jan 2007 they loved JA . . . Leslie Udy about all crazy things JA has done. . . fess up or feel his wrath . . . no bad truth - punishment will be better than the lie.

truth nothing else from you until truth . . . after tomorrow - gonna get real bad for you - time to spit it out. . . accuse her of lying about info that is bad about him . . is this true . . he in relation with Lisa Andrews while in relation with JA?
objection
approach


Andrews had relation with TA from 7/07 until ?/08 . . . being in relation with 2 different women . . . Andrews has similar conversation with TA .. . if she listens t other people she will get false info about him . . . now he is upset with JA for her saying I heard something bad about you.

how he words things . . . veiled threats in it . . . sort of non-descript some of them . . . tell people she cares about . . . not sure if he means about sexual stuff . . . talk badly about JA . . . feel the wrath . . . someone says non-descript kind of threats - undermine basic security . . someone you love says these things . . .

he has already kicked her and broken finger . .
objection - not feel MY wrath but feel THE wrath.
make any difference?
choked, kicked, finger broken, slapped across neck/face by one person who says feel the wrath . . . is that abusive? . . . I think it is . . .

battered women in general depends on level of abuse in relationship - history of this in past will have . . .. more meaning . . . it has happened and veiled threat attached to reality.

characterize relationship as abusive still? yes

#445 - texts between TA and JA 4/8/08 - he is talking about her leaving something behind when she moved . . . TA gotten a picture for her - she wanted him to sign it . . .she forgot and left it when packing . . . .

he upset she left it behind . . . thanks a freaking lot for having me sign in ink and then you left . . . always drama with you . . . .she responds . . .doesn't sound like me being dramatic . . call me.

she is sort of coming back @ him - he says do not call back - I am sick of you being childish tactics . . stupid way ruining another day . . . will have a genuine dislike for her because she forgot a picture . . . she needs to stop it before he starts seeking revenge . . . kicked, choked and broken finger -

she responds with sorry - pattern she has - he gets upset she apologizes for her behavior. she says have good day - don't worry be happy - she doesn't respond mean or violent way back to him.

he responds with another long text . . . tells her rude and inconsiderate to forget picture .. he goes on and on . . . talk about trying to save his house . . . doesn't believe she is sorry . . .if she was - wouldn't continue on with this stuff - because she left a picture @ his house . . if he had done same to her - she would cry for weeks.

lots comments of JA being a crier . . . written communication from tA . . . and MM also described her as a crier . . . upset - she cries. . . . cry for weeks.

he talks about give her motivation to quit screwing wth him . . . . choked, kicked, broke finger, slapped and hit.

she responds in text . .. she apologizing again and trying to deescalate situation - distance clears her head a bit . . . she is now away from him in California . . . she trying to calm situation down . .when he upset and angry . . . 2 things consistent . . .one is apologizing and being sorry and other is being sexual.

how good she feels that they are separated - thinks it better for both of them . .. tell him she loves him . . happy & thankful . . . .nice to him . . .blame self for leaving picture - one last ditsy thing . . .. she writes him to thank him for calling very nice of him . .

seems tirade over based upon text messages

 

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TA journal 4/8/08 - talking about JA moving and Deanna moving . . . thinks it will be better for getting married . .. he is missing Lisa Andrews and talking about Mimi . .. .

feels like a fool for going after Mimi . . .feels like an idiot . . . close in time to the tirade with JA thru text .

4/19/08 - texts between TA and JA . . a number of texts TA is offended JA has insulted him about his speaking ability- she denies

objection - witness is reading
do you need to review it to summarize . . . sure

evidence of TA guilting her about not helping or spending time . . .

objection she is reading exhibit in front of her . . .
sustained

ja trying to take it down a notch? yes - she in California . . . why would she even respond not even in same state . . .started relationship first 8 month in being separate states - she is still attached to him - physical distance but some emotional distance but not enough to break it off

steps to get away but not completely separate self . . . multiple breaks and go back - Lisa Andrews says same thing . . . emails of hers. . .

4/19/ 08 text message (I missed it)
4/20 - tA sends nice text to JA - going to club . . . JA is one of most beautiful women

TA is not with JA . . . club with other women . . . compare her with other women he is seeing favorably - her inside beauty as well as outside beauty very flattering text.

next day after argue.

start see escalation in violence both physical and emotional - fights in May 2008 - any fighting from JA in her response texts? no . . . rants are coming from TA - tirades or rants sent to JA

May 10, exhibit #448 - aware these times are 7 hrs ahead - 7 hrs earlier is actually May 9 - coming from JA - text was supposed tobe sent to someone else and accidentally sent to tA - he seems very upset. he accuse her of being a liar - upset she having communication with another man - she was trying to keep it more to herself TA didn't want to know details of her life - not completely honest with him because he didn't want details . . she is a single girl talking to a guy

by talking to TA about interest in other men is a mistake - he doesn't want to know details - he gets upset - they are not suppsedto be in relationship anymoe - characterize TA behavior for speaking with another man - jealous behavior very controlling -further she gets more she pulls away more jealous he gets

when someone with the power starts to lose it -scary for them and they react in more controlling ways - talking about TA
when first met power differential between JA and TA - TA had the power - as she is moving away from him - he loses power over her in her distancing he doesn't have control. Someone jealous and controlling loses control it is scary for them.

scary is emotion of fear - dangerous of someone being fearful? . . .anger and rage are secondary emotions . anger covers up other emotions . . fear/rejection/powerlessness escalates fear when someone s abusive.

tirades are fear of his losing her - looks like it to ALV. JA responds apologetic and explains he doesn't want to know details. Nothing she said was untrue. when she doesn't give details he accuses her of lying - he launches into this text - some man she was texting with (why don't you have him come and "f" you in the woods?) . .. take it to extreme no indication that is going on - blow up make mountain out of molehill -criticize her consistent in these messages - her response there is some assertiveness don't ask more questions -reassurance she loves him and cares about him - advise they don't ask and don't tell about social lives and people they are dating.
his response - forget each other even exists - taken to extremes

she asked him to please stop the ranting, he resonds with more threats - he says she will b e held accountable for schizz . . . given her a lot of mercy - been merciful, perps of DV have perceptual problems - they see things others wouldn't view that way - times are fixing to get tough for her - another threat.

message not intended for him and he wants th 2nd part - thru tirade he wants 2nd part - controlling behavior - JA is trying to get him 2nd part even while not living in same state - she is not out of relationship yet. again says sorry - never means to hurt him loves him

 

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He eventually apologizes . . . 3 hrs and 13 min ranting can last hours - he does most of ranting - keep anger going that long takes a lot of energy most people calm down - he able to regenerate that energy - fellows in their group talk about how they talk to themselves - feel aggressive and talk aggressive they get more aggressive.

May 10, 2008 - next day
ALV reads texts - Wilmot refers her to texts

Wayne Dyer- motivational speaker on PbS and written a lot of books - Dyer is makin joke out of fact having a temper - Dyers daughter teasing him about his temper - conversation turns to TA temper - compares his temper to Dyers.

objection hearsay
sustained
approach

reviewed IM's between JA and TA . . .talking about Wayne Dyer - jokes about his daughter teases about temper - who is spiritual guru . . .TAsaid my worse is worse - if I could transmit that fury I couldn't be stopped. (transmute vs transmit)
that schizz is scary

JA says you will master it one day

important?
TA talk about his temper - folks she works with afraid of own anger and unable to control it - huge energy - scary for them unless they get help. ALV exchange acknowledge his anger- JA has seen it - TA acknowledges he has it .. .


another part of conversation review part where JA talk about her self-esteem
ALV needs to review it - #585

TA trying to make her feel better? on and off - he tells her . . .
JA self esteem how bad she feels on inside - innocent star who now feels lousy about herself - insight about JA feeling on 5/10 about their relationship.

their sexual relationship TA is allude . . . .
objection she already answer question
she has not

TA compare her to 2 or 3 other women - no sexual equivalent to her - there is a 3rd woman who might have been but he didn't get far enough along to see -
is this attempt for JA to feel better bout self?
object = sustained

before JA these women
he is comparing women on a sexual basis in his life prior - speak to deception from tA - he continues to claim he is a virgin to numbers of women in relations via text, IM's or in person - prior to JA he had sex with other women -
JA looking to TA's family members in court?

phone sex - TA and JA =
DV concerned . . . fact this tape made in May 2008 - this nature - ALV not sure in relation to DV
is JA completely separated from him - she wasn't - she make steps but not fully separated

(JA looks really pale today IMO)

5/22/08 - subject matter the conversation talking about separation - good for both of them - he gets upset and offended and tells her he knows about Law of Chastity.

objections X3
hearsay
approach please

 

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reason she writes about Law of Chastity - help them not to be physical - physical relationship needs to end - sweet talk about why no physical anymore
he gets upset - things get worse
he wants to know who she is seeing - if she was getting her kicks with someone else - JA said she didn't freak out when he was seeing Mimi - she had right to see others she wasn't getting her kicks with others since seeing TA
TA acting jealously - accusatory about her having another relationship - it is ok if she sees others-
cloth is torn - she is more assertive of herself - more able to move on from this relationship
her ability to talk to other men - what does that do with abusive men when partner pulls away - more powerlessness involved more anger, rage, fear
as long as power differential you have more control - he is losing control
he talks about undying love for Mimi = JA is ok with it - didn't freak out
TA responds to this . . . . he apologizes to her - he tells her to leave his love life out of it? pg 363

he is frustrated because things not going well with Mimi
JA go onto talk about positive things about TA?
she says that . . . objection X2

she talk about him in positive manner?
yes
go on about how much she cares for him - what she thinks of him
ALV needs to review

(we are past the lunch hour folks!)

She speak positively about him - sad agree to part ways - but good for both of them

TA feels good for both of them too per his journals - in early April 2008 - even though he is still contacting her.

Noon recess - back @ 1:25


JA flashes big smile once jury is out of room

 

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We're back . . Judge announces Juror #5 is in courtroom as member of public - no contact with her until after trial is over (showing picture of her in court)

Character assassination - much more debilitating and harmful to people - on the continuum of DV it doesn't occur with people who are low level abusive . . . they may call you a name but don't spend time to tear you apart - on the higher end f the continuum

in middle is abuse - name call but character assassination is a more severe form of abusive name call.

May 26 2008 - text messages -tirade or rant from TA to JA
@ 3:21 . . .7 hr time difference

understanding of what tis conversation is about after speak to JA? - don't remember context

JA doesn't want to leave on his voicemail but wants to tell him something. . TA responds he sent a respond to her dire conversation - maybe it will spark human emotion in you - everyone isjust part of her sick agenda - comment on a picture of someone else makes her look like a pure - should be embarrassed - if everyone knew what TA knew they would spit in her face. TA never hurt so bad by anyone else
ALV sees character assassination less than human, pure , spitting in face, evil - worse than just - not just one thing t call her but a group of things to tear her character. couldn't get off her lazy butt to read, sociopath, evil she is, worst thing ever happened to TA, sociopath, she only cries for herself, never cared about him - she has betrayed him.

she responds - after long rant continuous text messages charcter assassination - she doesn't see it she wants him to . . . she doesn't have the email he wants her to see - she doesn't respond in violent manner or showing anger towards him.

JA and TA moved onto IM's . . very long IM . . .

exhibit #450 - look @ time 3:21 - ends @ 9:17 - 6 hrs texting character assassination

then IM's go on .. .
he continues with charcter assassination - worse than before - there is an escalation in names he calls her - intensity and that he goes on longer - more names, worse names in the IM.

it takes a lot of energy to keep uncontrolled kind of rage - very scary to be on the other side of that kind o rage - most people might name call but usually don't go on that long @ that level. 5 hr arguments when younger - 20s or earlyl 30's is not that long but ore what contained in the argument the kind o language and derogation of charcter rarely heard words strung together the way they are in this IM

move to admit exhibit
objection - sustained

reviewed the IM? is it 5 or 6 pgs? it is 16 pages . . .do you need to review it? ALV does.
specific words are important - character assassination words
"what a freaking wh@re"

objection she is reading from the exhibit
approach

 

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cheap , corrupted conscious, Hitler had more than you . . .

I've never dealt with more solid form of evil
objection - she is reading . . . please close it
Wlmot -
judge look over and saw she was reading

going onto the next dick .. . he hates her, more pain than his FAther, she is rotten lunatic, nothing but a liar, 3 wonder, ought to get tips for giving bj's . . . never loved him,
who freaking cares about you, worthless, lies make you worthless, taking up people's air,you don't care, don't know horror you have caused me laughing stock - don't care about anything but JA . . . blames her for pain he feels in own life - nothing more than dildo with heartbeat, demented

some repeats of same kinds of things some talk about her values, repeated names goes on 16 pages - not all name call but tear her character apart

being typed out between parties - TA types it - single spaced 16 pgs.
length of text message last over 5 hrs - don't know it started or how long - single space 16 pages.
(LOST FEED . . . . OH NOOOOOO!)

 

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Feed back - TA talked about severe verbal abuse from his own mother . . direct link when look @ role model and family of origin . . consistent risk marker (only one) is exposed to DV in family that raised them - kids learn from people that raised them. . . difficult for them t learn another way -

can't expect someone who grows up in Spanish speak family to speak perfect English . . most people she works with were direct receipients of abuse or exposed to it.

JA talked about sexual contact in their relationship - for her the sex made relationship seemed more special - more she complied with what he wanted the more satisfactory sex was . . . .

(missed a little)
different way of looking @ sexual acts between men and women - when women act out seen as - when men act out sexually -they are seen as a stud. . . women are seen more negatively

missed a little more

minimize and give much detail?
no doesn't - just says classic rude . . . part of promise not to write negative things - she has made a promise to him not to write specific things in her journal - keeping the promise

refer to tirades as one of the cycles?
she talks about a pattern
object beyond scope - overruled

pattern pissed off - he goes off on her then make up
she gets sense of this pattern - increase and escalation of this pattern - timing of the pattern talks about things being
objection - sustained

happening every few days good period of time then blow up
escalation?
pattern of blow ups and back down
seen in text messages and in regard to physical incidents by ALV

journal entry compare TA to her own father?
she does . . . similar athleticism and physiques opinionated and republican and both make rude statements and find ways to make up for it

pg 377
witness is reading - objection overruled

point in this journal entry talks about 2 hr chat?
yes
IM chatting - I let him get it out of his system . .. how she reacts to his tirades . .
pattern she sees . .

May 27 another journal entry pg 379
meeting Ryan Burns - taking trip to Utah to see him -
evidence behavioral of her moving on?
yes
great news- she is excited they have texted each other
make plans to go to Utah?
yes

 

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May 30 pg 381 she is going the following week to Utah - spend couple days with Ryan but hit some National Parks along the way

5/31/08 - itinerary - visit Darryl and Matt (ex boyfriends) . . .she is still friendly with both of them

pg 385 talk about bring up trip to Utah to TA . . . they have conversation about it - TA is not that thrilled about her visit to Utah. - does she want to tell him she is going to see another man? no she told friend she doesn't want to hurt TA and don't say anything

pg 389 - June 1 entry
talking about conversation with TA . . . he is guilting her about coming to see him - talk about how she handles that - she stood her ground - if not for looking forward to seeing ryan it helped her to stand her ground - not going to AZ - she is going to take trip she wanted to take and say no to TA

pg 390 - how he took news was sounded bothered by it on June 1, she reminded him he would be visiting her soon in Calif. - when she had conversation about not being physical anymore -

plan to be physical - a place n the woods - she continues to struggle with pull away

texts are very conversational - nothing mean about them.

timing of communincation to TA to numerous other women

timeline
12/2007 - June 2008 - there were other conversations with other women prior to 2007

ALV reviewed communications with TA and other girls - find them to be important regarding the deception by TA ongoing significant.

addressing any type of pattern way he treats other women?
yes
usually happen late @ night - sometimes middle night - not all of them but most - some women complain about that

Denise - and TA - what type woman was Denise?
objection - sustained
approach

 

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communication between Denise and TA - she is in vulnerable position based upon what she says about self . . . TA is flirtatious and makes sexual innuendos

Nicole - and TA - she was in another relationship during these communications - TA insult her about her relationship, and flirts with her

Lisa he was dating from 2007 - 2008 , age difference 10-11 years different - Lisa was younger. went thru email from lisa complain about how sexual he was with her

Deanna and TA - longtime girlfriend of tA - he is still in contact with her

Krishele (sic?) - she was in vulnerable position that she said about self in their communications - they had graphic sexual contact - TA speaking in sexually graphic ways

Regan and TA - communications also TA flirts, he asks her for close to naked pictures.
TA complains about having an ex-girlfriend stalking him
Objection
jury disregard response - counsel approach

 

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3 days after phone sex and 2 days after lovely text messages TA told Ragen he had a stalker - Ragen had issues put her in vulnerable position.

women named Shaytanya - was in vulnerable position - she was not LDs = he gave her the book of Mormon and challenged her to read it - just like he did with JA - graphic sexual talk in their conversations . . .

objection hearsay - overruled

one conversation with Shaytanya - he talks about he had his head between her legs - it occurred in past. . . . conversations in late May TA was being manipulative with her. He alluded to suicide because she would not come over to visit - conversation goes on and he talks about suicide 3 times - she says she doesn't have time to come over.

TA IM's or texts her and he continues with that she stops communicating with him - he keeps trying and she doesn't contact him back.

In March he lost Lisa Andrews, in April - he lost JA physically (not completely) . . . still pining for Ms. Andrews - missing her,

communications between Maria and TA - she was LDS - despite that he had sex talk with her - sneaking her out of his Grandma's house, something he did with JA. pushing sexual boundaries with Maria. trying to go as far as he can . . . asking how far they could go before they have to go see the Bishop - gives examples and gets to a point it is too graphic and she doesn't want to talk about it.

Pattern of way he connects with women who are vulnerable and pushes sexual boundaries - pattern in way he treats women in very sexualized way - he doesn't tend to have long relationsihips - over the internet or texting - few that are in person - not long term not connected and seem to be close relationships - he encourages women to join PPL or give him a couple of leads.

he puts himself out as a virgin consistently.
timing of late spring 2008 - indications of desperation from TA? . . he seems to particularly with women who pull away more so with JA with his physical and verbal abuse

when Shaytanya pulls away see more desperation and Lisa Andrews . . .when they break up he was continually trying to make up with her - they did but when talk about engagement they ended it - Ms. Andrews said it was financial because he couldn't support her.

ALV asks to take a break

recess please be back @ 3:10

 

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back from break

ALV says Krishelle was also married and that put her in vulnerable position.

TA was guilting JA again - JA unable to say no.
she was able to go to Mesa to visit - when she arrives very early in AM - go to bed and sleep for awhile get up and there is rope - they have done this one time before where he ties her to bed with twine - so he bought rope - ties her hands to the bed - have sex pictures of her genitals taken - she goes to shower - after she showers they are going to look @ CD' of trips they have taken - ffirst CD is scratched and wont play - he gets upset and throws it - he bends her over desk and have sex - she does this consistently to quell his anger

he asks her to take pics of him inshower as he has been working out - she drops camera = says 5 year old can take better pics- he body slams her - she wriggles away runs to closet and gets gun, he comes at her like a football player lunging - she has the gun and shoots and doesn't remember much after that.

ALV was retained to look @ DV in their relationship - specific task and that is what ALV did.
Battered women cope with trauma in different ways - repress things - block memories and painful things in relationship, minimize, deny and distract themselves . . .every battered survivor is different.

empathacize with person who hurtsthem . . .bottom lines are dropping - apprehension for the survivor in regard to the perpetrator.

do they detach from trauma they experience yes often - memories are often very painful can look removed . . sometimes we have battered women tell their stories in public speaking - begin to do it they have a lo of emotion but as talk about it and go on wth story they detach . . . they want to heal - the more you tell something the more rote it gets.

with JA @ end of relationship she was really in touch with her shame and felt about self and shame of what she was doing - conversation about that with TA - she wrote things she never thought anyone would see . . . took pictures never thought would be seen - now public -don't know what anyone would do if their private thoughts and genetalia are now public consumption - not sure what any human would do with that

TA attacked her from shower and full of rage - escalating upto June 4th
objection - speculation
approach

 

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escalation and reading his own words . . . fear of partner leaving . . . correlate between that and TA to be rageful . . . fear is emotion that and powerlessness escalate anger. Power in non-heiracharcial way - make decisions as group, feeling good, apology when youdon't want something from someone else - how they feel about different kinds of power. . . .lose power results in fear, anger, rage

two to tango - two make a argument - in healthy relationship - but abusive relationship tango with one person - read IM's it doesn't matter what JA does - TA still able to continue - when on a roll when upset it sort of doesn't matter what other person does - abusive relations - 2 to tango falls to wayside.

an ultimate opinion . . . JA was in abusive relationship - JA was a battered women. difference between isolated acts of aggression vs. pattern of aggression - anyone capable of isolated act aggression - patterns make it different. Patterns it occurs in . . . way feel about self, chronic apprehension, verbal and emotional and physical abuse.

why what you base this on . . . put up the continuum
why is JA a battered woman - nobody fits in linear column - friends and family put downs, change in personality - in prior 2 relations JA was happy, sweet, creative, positive thoughts but can be a pain in the butt like any of us in relationship - you see her moving into more depression and self-blame.

she was good with other people and relationships over time. you see threats of abandonment . . . .

looking @ abuse and battering - character assassination isn't even on there . . .. it is more high end battering relationship.

for a period of time for JA - monopolize relationship for see world thru TA's eyes . . . .no one human fits into exactly one category


battering relationship and terrorist relationship - terrorism usually violates other laws.


psychological and emotional abuse - character assassination - escalation of abuse - choking,

when looking @ lower level abuse = no disrespect to victims in that category - behaviors part of that pushing, hitting, lower level injury, bruise or contusion, but choking, break finger and kicking is considered high end . . . manipulation, deception and chronic infidelity and family of origin issues that are exacerbating factors in TA's family.

something that JA could have seen from the beginning?
no you don't start out inabusive relationship with an abusive relationship. . . . way it started JA met charming, handsome, friend, go to Exec. Director dinner, made her feel good - attach to the best part of the human being.

wat happens over time tend to be abusive you tend to maintain that -beginning in love with someone . . . . the more abusive household correlation to abuse in adulthood - child grown get scared in intimate relationships - when deal with abusive in relationship the fear takes over - chonic combat readiness - perpetual state of apprehension - emotional reflex - reactive place . . . . person become abusive even when they don't want to be.

All info come from JA mouth and her journals? . . . not at all box @ home . . tapes from 48 hrs, IM's text messages, emails, reviewed small portions of TA journal, some things he has written about his family, comments between TA and other women and IM's between TA and JA and don't believe anyone provokes someone into pattern of violence.

we are experts in relationship how to push someone's buttons . . . difference in abusive relationship pattern goes from relationship to relationship - if connected (often sexual and intimate) more likely the abusive men will act out.

TA was dating Lisa Andrews went on for months - abusive relations difference if he was intimate relations? . . . makes a difference . . . JA lived out of state 8 month and they were only together 8 months . . . until she moved back

with Lisa Andrews TA and she broke up 3 times - there was physical contact but not sex but length of time not significant either. . . .

Ms Andrews did not complain about abuse from TA . . . not unusual she did complain aobut him putting her down and pushing her boundaries.

change in JA's personality - how do youknow that . . . read the interview with her 2 previous boyfriends MM - 2 yr relationship - Daryl Brewer 4 yrs relationship - she changed from responsible person and happy person she changed. . . . other partners had significant time with her so some accuracy - she still maintained positive relations/friendships with both of them positive thing.

changes occurred with JA after being withTA - she became bi-polar - they described her like that going back an forth in her moods - not a diagnosis - goes from one mood to another she was described as moody before that but Brewer described more intensity

neither MM or DB describe JA as suicidal . . . . generally happy - she cries - she fluctuates mood but not deep depression. . . .she gets upset she wuld cry - not unusual response - neither of them described her as a liar.

sent books to JA . . .about 5 books . . .think sent 4 books and magazine subscription -do you have a memory problem? no I don't . . . .

impair your ability to make assessment of JA and TA relationship -no

JA physical or aggressive to TA nor verbal abuse nor patterns of psychological abuse or controlling behaviors from JA to TA - jealousy? no didn't see it

nothing further
cross exam

 

[wenwe4]

Bachelors in 1969, Masters in 1980, did not continue on to PhD . . .continues to get continuing education credits.

can't do testing, can't read psychological tests . . . . ALV has different training . . . doesn't do psychological tests but she might have more experience in other areas than PhD's. . . .she can't scrore tests

she is aware of DSM 4 . . . psychologists and psychiatrists use it and she says psychotherpists use it too.

no diagnosis of battered woman in that text DSM 4 - correct
objection
approach

DSM 4 no diagnosis of battered woman . . .
you have experience in dealing with battered women . . . I do . . . what available to you are clinical interviews . . . you sit across from the person who may or may not be a victim of battering . .. one of the things - main instrument . . . not main one of the items ALV uses\


44 hours of interview . . .clinical interview - clinical aspect of practice - . . . clinical aspect of this eval . .

clinical interview . . . interview, ask questions,

Mr. Martinez are you angry @ me?
laughter

is that important to you . . . make any difference yes or no

makes a difference how I am spoken to . . .I would like you to speak to me

does that change if it is battering situation?
yes or no?

can't say . . . if someone question in that way lost the question

sway you will answer questions based upon demeanor
no

speak to defendant across table about issues in this case - spent 44 hrs . . . you looked @ a lo of other collaterals . .. journals one of the things . . .writings and interviews done by others, text, IM's eamails . . . . evals in this case
other than talk to JA didn't talk to anyone else yourself
correct
sort of left to read what someone had written synopsys

your approach - no diagnosis in DSM 4 - no guide out there to tell you battered individual or abused individual
that is not correct!

#558 - ended your testimony this particular continuum of aggression and abuse . . .JA was a victim of abusive relationship

not a yes or no . . . do you want the truth Mr. Martinez/
do you want to spar with me
objection argumentative
approach

 

[wenwe4]

Something in the journal mirrored in exhibit #558 . . .used this as a piece (continuum) for diagnosis . . .some of what written in journals you characterize it . .
don't know what you are asking

she never said anything negative about TA . . . nothing negative in those journals . . .
selections of the journals you reviewed in court . . .all of JA's journals . . . journals aside from ones in court . . .

there is nothing in those journals negative about the person she killed.

what negative things the defendant wrote about herself
thought you were talking about TA
about herself
don't know what you are asking
you are charging $250 per hour
standardfee

anything negative JA said in those journals, depressed, feel bad about self . . . not in just the journals .

ALV read the journals and she would have to know what part of the journals he is talking about - she read pages and pages . . . .do you have samples to give her

with the memory you have intact . . .
argumentative and foundation of date and time referred to -overruled

negative she wrote in those journals
you are asking specific comments . . . . I need the journals
so you need the journals in front of you in order to remember it? your memory is lacking

she talks about not being productive, feeling lousy about self, not being advanced in PPL the way she would like to . . not having her goals forwarding the ways she wants to. . . ALV is sure there are other things - just can't remember right now.

pretty positive picture about JA . . . those things are not that major in the grand scheme of things . . . how you conduct your work - conduct interviews and then look @ other sources - one interview the defendant's . . . we are left to follow this roadmap guideline . . . guide us to a goal . . . not a specific roadmap to take you from here to here

take us to a certain decision by you . . .guideline you used . . .you created you can change it whenever you want - I have changed it . . yes
regard to using this guideline - don't have to talk to parties involved for you to reach your opinion?
I don't use a guideline that way

back in 2010 you put on seminar saying Snow White was a battered woman . . . if you like to show the entire YouTube video happy to have anyone see that . . . . Snow White a battered woman is catchy . . . .given this presentation in Las Vegas short form of it in 2010 . . . different versions of it . . .

gave it an altered version in 2011 in Las Angeles - items used regard to that . . . trying to determine battered person look @#558 . . .I did not use that at all in any of those presentations.

Family of origin - look @ that in TA . . . .in Snow White had family of origin issues.. . .family of origin issues for the perpetrator . . . see TA as perpetrator not the victim . . .ALV is looking @ DV seeing TA is the Perp.

presentation . . .snow white and 7 dwarfs - brothers grimm . . . . king has a kid . . . ALV not using Brths Grimm version -using the Disney version

king and queen have snow white - mother dies - he marries someone else - step mom doesn't like snow white - the Queen be less than nice and abuse snow white . . . Father has failed to protect . . . global perspective

snow white being sort of abused - not being correctly treated - abused as a child . . .father sends her away . .

objection to snow white story
overruled

she goes to woods - neglect by the Father . . .
in this case - the defendant suffered some abuse as a kid . . the wicked step mom in her case is her Mother . . .didn't say that don't equate her Mom as wicked step Mom . . .her Mom hit her with wooden spoon . . . her dad once puhed her and she hit piece of furniture . . . was mother present? . . .don't know . . .not looking @ whether JA was absed as a child - looking @ DV relationship

abused @ hands of her Mom . . . before she was age of majority she was sent out into the woods - she wasn't sent out she chose to leave .. .
objection - overruled

why chose to leave - she felt abused and controlled by her parents
moved in with Bobby . . . less than ideal circumstances living
snow white lived with 7 dwarfs . .
lived in a shack
I though cute little cottage
lived with 7 dwarfs . . .
don't know the age of the dwarfs

objection relevance argumentative
overruled
other little kids to play with out near the shack
near the cottage no . .

cooking and cleaning for the dwarfs . .

same for JA doing for Bobby
he was working?
don't know
they lived with his family . . .she was working and bought food into the home

Snow white = something bad happens - apple incient - someone comes to harm her
incident between JA and Bobby . . .he choked her and verbally abused her . . .per MM

violent act . . .apple is violent act
snow white ends up unconscious

waiting around for Prince Charming or somebody
she is not going anywhere - when she is unconscious
we have a kiss and snow white awakens and she starts to live with Prince Charming
snow white has no power

objection - overruled

she is a queen . . .don't know the power is
objection overruled

the king has more power.
Snow white doesn't hae much power

objection speculation
approach

 

[wenwe4]

Who had the power in Snow White . . . King or Queen?
I don't do my presentation in that way - you are mischaracterizing my presentation . . .

Title Snow White the battered woman . . . catchy title - read title correct not content correct.

#558 - even if a myth all made up you can still come to the opinion that the person in this fantastical world is a victim of DV . . not what I said in my speech . . . talk about gender and power . . . not talk about Snow White being a battered woman . . .

presentation . . . your continuum of aggression and abuse . . . reading this myth we can plug in and make assessment Snow white was a victim
No we cannot - we absolutely cannot.

object - myth
restate question

continuum of aggression and abuse #558 - refer to a totl myth we could make determination Snow white was a battered woman.

you are mischaracterizing it Mr. Martinez

specific to adult intimate partner relationship . . . I have no info about Prince Charming and Snow White . . . this s not about child abuse

Snow white and 7 dwarfs -snow white battered woman.
conference agenda dealt with adults . . . snow white a battered woman . . . now you are trying to tell me don't want to talk about Snow white because she was a child
I didn't say that
do yu want me to answer Mr. Martinez
I talked about men and women growing up . . I didn't talk about her intimate relationship with a prince.

this involved adults . . . involved adult abuse
it involved gender and expectation of gender in DV conference
what we learn as kids and what we can bring into adult hood.

anger as an issue in family learn as a child and take into adulthood . . .same thing you tl us about TA. . .correct

Snow White ?
exhibit #558 . . . . . not applicable to snow whte and Prince's relationship
that is about intimate partner violence . . . I know nothing abouit her relationship with the prince I have no information.

you are sayn disregard that now

Monday 9:30 am . . . remember the admonission

excuses jury

 

[Tulessa]

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...te-arias-parents-interrogation-tapes-released

Longer, more detail, JA's mom

 

[Tulessa]

JA's dad.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...te-arias-parents-interrogation-tapes-released

 

[K_Z]

Jodi Arias Trial Day 41 - JM cross examination of defense expert Alyce Laviolette. Thanks and credit to croakerqueen123 for parts 1 & 2.

Part 1

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 41 - Part 1 - YouTube

Part 2

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 41 - Part 2 - YouTube

Part 3 (first link thanks and credit to David Lohr; second link clip thanks to tawnidilly)

Jodi Arias Trial : Day 41 : Prosecutor Vs. DV Expert : Part 3 Of 3 (No Sidebars) - YouTube

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 41. Afternoon part 3. Cross Exam. Court over for day. - YouTube

(I'm still hunting for the rest of Day 41!)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ias-trial-topics-turn-to-fairy-tales/2055271/

Recent events related to the trial summed up in USA Today.