*graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

[Rit Bee]

that's right!! busted....I've cashiered enough to know, there are ZERO transactions that happen without paperwork

 

[Nore]

If you haven't seen the letter/post that Matt McCartney apparently wrote for the Jodi Arias support site, I'm attaching it below. I have a hard time believing that t was written by a guy... What do you think? (Matt McCartney is one of her ex-boyfriends, the one she was attempting to get the coded magazine messages to)

I was Jodi’s boyfriend for around two years and in that time, she wouldn’t so much as squish a bug. I caught her on many occasions, fishing bugs out of the tub, so they wouldn’t get washed down the drain. She had this crazy neurotic cat, that would flip out and attack her for no reason and she didn’t so much as swat it. Jodi is NOT a violent person!

When we ended our relationship, I was living and working at a distance. During that period, I began spending time with a colleague. One of my douche bag coworkers decided to “inform” her. There was lots of crying, many talks and a few letters. She was NEVER VIOLENT in any way. We remained friends and since then, she had a few other relationships ending with Travis. I personally know the man she was with before Travis. He and Jodi maintained a friendly relationship after they parted. He also had NO issues with violence. So why now? What changed?

Before Jodi was arrested we would talk on a regular basis. I am one of her longest lasting friends and former lovers. I could be a important character witness. At one point, I asked Jodi to leave me out of this situation, so as not draw attention to myself or my new family and since then, she has.

Her life is on the line. She could get the death penalty. Yet she’s made it a point not to involve me.
Why? Because I asked her not to….

That is the kind of person Jodi is!”
​

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Thank you Nancy Drew. What Matt doesnt realize is what she had with Travis wasnt a relationship, it was an obsession. Still waters run deep!:what:

 

[Melanie]

I apologize for not reading this entire thread, but finally found a copy of the Autopsy Report. Thought I would share --

View attachment redactedtravisautopsy.pdf

Mel

 

[Hopeful One]

Full Travis Alexander (with JA) near death experience video.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/07/watch-full-exclusive-jodi-travis-video-here

 

[wenwe4]

JA on the stand . . . takes off her black jacket - wearing light blue collared short-sleeve shirt that appears to be straining @ the buttons . . . she needs a safety pin (IMO)

JA w/JM . . . . asking about the photo she took when camera was being fumbled . . . ja denies stating she said it was inadvertent . . . doesn't know if she took when she was fumbling or not - she didn't mean to capture this image. . . . he continued to be in the shower while this camera did not fall to the floor - inadvertent photo (object - overruled)

2nd objection - beyond the scope - approach please

 

[wenwe4]

Another inadvertent photo 5:31:13? . . . previous one was 5:30:30 . . . . 44 seconds . . . JA doesn't know how photo was taken . . . it hit the mat . . . is that near shower, on the floor near the shower, if mat on the floor near shower it was near the shower . .. yes

mr. A become very upset . . . he stepped out of the shower and came after you? - he picked me up . . . when I think of coming after as chasing - I was afraid because he body slammed me .. . he picked up . .. .

don't know what you mean by coming after . . . a moment ago I said think of coming after as chasing . . .. his movements continued when he put you down on the ground . . . you hit head, maybe knock wind out of you, able to fight off and able to get away - yes . . . he let me go when he body slammed me . . you are standing over him next to your shins and you run down the hallway.

it was possible camera picked up by tA and placed @ end of the hall - yes that is possible. . . after he body slammed you and you took off he started looking @ the camera . . . it is possible . . . . then that would require him to bend down it was on ground pick up and look @ it . . .I don't know what he would do if he picked it up . . .

if he looking @ camera he is not close to you . . I don't know that even happened but it is possible. . . . it is also possible he could be close to you. . . either scenario - close or not . . . I didn't turn around when I was running down the hall . . .

time he may have gone for the camera was time in this sequence of events . . . said it was possible. . . .if possible he did it - there is a measure of time involved for TA to look @ it . . .object - overrule
I guess . . . I didn't look back -don't know what is going on . . . if he took it and placed it down @ end of the hallway - you said you didn't hear anything . . . ob ject - overruled

I don't recall . . . if dropped @ end hall - you didn't hear anything, went into closet, obtained gun, up on the shelving, got gun, opened door and had gun in your hands . . he was coming to you in linebacker mode - you shot him in the face . ..
that is when gun went off
bullet came out of it and it shot and hit him in the head -yes
on top of you
I was trying to prevent him getting on top of me
fear for your life = he was sayingthings to you - when you are stressed out you are like a computer that freezes - I can hear people talking but I don't know what was said . .. stressed out in your head . . . this is one of the times your computer doesn' freeze up . . . I don't remember if it completely freezed up - don't remember what he said . . .

your computer is frozen but you do remember what he said
just a few phrases
when he said f@cking kill you B!itch .
yes when he threatened my life (wow he threatened your life after you shot him???????imo)

we know there is some action going on @ 5;41:14 - also know exhibit #162 - 5:42:16 - one min two seconds later -

 

[wenwe4]

JM to JA
you indicted response to juror question . . .
you stood up and he verbally threatened you . . .
yes
@ no time did you indicate that TA's hands were in contact with any knife
no
you didn't know where the knife was - it would have been impossible for you not to have the knife with you when that happened. . . . impossible to happen unless you already had knife with you
well since that is not how it happened it wouldn't be impossible - I didn't have knife when I shot or when we fell - can't tell when had the knife? it would appear that way

in response to the juror question to everyitng happen near door to the closet - he stayed down when you got up.
I don't know
you remember the famous the threat
I am breaking away - it was all very fast and contemporaneous at that point - I don't recall looking back
even though he is still a threat to you - threatened your life you turn your back on the threat?
yeah I am trying to get away
you don't have the knife @ that point
no - right @ that point when my memory begins to end - I din't khave the knife @ that point
you had to get up - ran away to get the knif e you had to come back to him right?
object - argumentative - approach

 

[wenwe4]

We are having equipment difficulties - it will be a few minutes.

 

[wenwe4]

See counsel in chambers regarding issue just discussed . . . . reconvene @ 1:30

 

[KMouse]

March 13, 2013

--Nurmi asking if the court received copies of the motions he filed yesterday. Sidebar.
--Nurmi doesn't have a copy but Martinez does and they approach the bench to speak with the judge.
--Jodi Arias takes the stand and the jury is brought in.

--Martinez asks JA about when she told the jury about shooting TA.
--Started with JA taking photographs of TA in the shower.
--Exhibit 160, photo taken at 5:30:30 p.m., JA says she remembers saying the photo was not intentially taken. JA is not sure whether it was taken when she was fumbling with the camera or not. JM says that after the photo was taken TA continued to be in the shower because the camera did not fall to the floor.
--Exhibit 161, one of the deleted photos, Nurmi objects, says it is beyond the scope. Sidebar.
--Exhibit 161, photo taken at 5:31:14 another inadvertent photo. Picture of Travis sitting in the shower. JA says she doesn't know how the ceiling photo was taken.
--JM: the camera hit the ground near the shower. JA: no, it hit the mat.
--JM: the camera went down, hit the mat, near the shower and then it rolled right?
--JM: you then said that TA came after her. JA: says he picked me up.
--JM: were you not afraid because he wasn't coming after you? JA: he wasn't chasing me yet, he was right beside me.
--Discussion between JA and JM about what "coming after me" means.
--JM: As a result of being put on the ground you bumped your head, maybe it knocked the wind out of you, you were in fear, you were able to fight him off to get away. JA: I rolled.
--JA says that TA let her go when he body slammed her.
--JM says that she rolled away and ran down the hallway.
--JM says that one of the things that JA said was possible (juror question) was that the camera was picked up by TA.
--JM: to pick it up he would have to bend down and pick it up. If he is doing that and he is looking at the camera, and you are down the hallway, then he is not very close to you. JA: I don't know.
--JM: says you said it was possible.
--JA: either scenario is possible, he could
--JM: you didn't turn around did you? JA: no
--JA: I don't know that he did that so I don't know how to answer
--JM: if it is possible he did that then there is a measure of time for TA to look at the camera
--JA: I guess
--JM: what does that mean?
--JA: all possibilities are a guess
--JM: if he did take it and place it down you did not hear a drop did you?
--JA: did not hear it drop
--JM: and then you went into the closet right? you went up into the closet and get the gun and then go into the bathroom. That's when he was coming at you in the linebacker pose. and that is when you shot him in the face. JA: that's when the gun went off.
--JM: you keep saying the gun went off but you were holding the gun weren't you?
--JM: he did get on top of you and you were fearing for your life right? JA: yes
--JM: and one of the things that you told us is that when you are stressed you are like a computer that freezes right? JA: yes
--JA: it was a very high stressful situation.
--JM: so this is one of the times your computer doesn't freeze up. (referring to when she said that TA yelled at her after she shot him).
--JM: so in this particular case, you do remember what he said
--JA: the fog started to come in after the gun shot, when he threatened my life
--JM: the way you describe it, it is impossible for the killing to happen like that isn't it?
--JA: it is not impossible.
--JM: we know there is action at 5:31 and then at 5:32:16, you didn't have the camera with you when you shot him, so we are talking about a minute and 2 seconds, Ma'am, do you remember about being asked on cross about the knife, the knife used to cut the rope, you told us that. You are telling us the last time you saw the knife it was used to cut the rope. You said you didn't know where that knife had gone.
--JA: I said I didn't remember where it was placed after we cut the rope.
--JM: and if that is the case that you don't remember where the knife was and then after the shooting, the fog doesn't have to remember things does it, I am asking you about the fog enhances your ability or improves your ability to remember. I am asking you to tell me about this fog, if it increases your ability to remember?
--JA: I don't know
--JM: you don't remember?
--JM: I am asking if you are the one who has the best knowledge about what happens when this fog roles in.
--JA: I can only describe it
--JM: and when the fog rolls in it does not improve your memory does it? you still don't know where the knife is do you?
--JA: today as I sit here I don't remember where the knife was, but on June 4th I might have known where the knife was.
--JM: you remembered about him using the knife and the prosecutor was trying to ascertain where the knife had gone.
--JA: I don't remember where the knife was
--JM: so if you don't know where the knife was, it could have been in the closet?
--JM: so you, by necessity, you had to go and look for the knife. You didn't have the knife in your hand when you shot him. If you didn't have the knife in your hand, you needed to get it from somewhere.
--JA: I guess
--JM: there's no guessing here
--JA: it's possibile that TA grabbed the knife
--JM so as TA is getting blasted he now has a knife in his hand.
--JA: not at that particular moment
--JM: we both went down. He never had a knife in his hand did he?
--JA: nobody asked me
--JM: youdo then agree if you didn't have the knife and TA didn't have it, it would take time to go find that knife.
--JA: I don't know, I didn't know where the knife was
--JM: repeats the knife question
--JA: I don't know
--JM: even if the knife was there, to grab it , that takes time
--JA: I don't know
--JM: if the knife was in the bedroom, and not in the closet, it would take more time to get it
--JM: isn't it true that if the knife was in the bedroom or the closet that would take more time to go and get it.
--JA: I guess
--JM: In 62 seconds you get body slammed, you get away, run down the hallway, go in the closet, grab a gun, back up, shoot TA, pick up the camera and he is down the hallway with his throat slit. That's what you are telling us?
--JA: I don't know about the camera and I don't know that his throat is slit
--JM: In the 62 seconds you are body slammed, you get away, you go down the hall, go in the closet, get the gun, go into the bathroom, turn around, shoot TA, he goes down and TA threatens you and then after you are able to get away you go get the knife and he ends up at the end of the hallway.
--JA: no that's not what I'm telling you, he didn't say "I'm going to ****ing kill you *****" until after...
--JM: and then you had to go get the knife for everything to occur.
--JA: I don't know all the particulars of what is going on the photo
--JM: well you do know the timing of it don't you? This right here is blood and blood doesn't happen until you get cut right?
--JM: there is another reason why your scenario isn't possible. Lets talk about this issue of getting shot. He goes down and he is pawing at you and you are able to stand up, he threatens you, then the fog rolls in.
--JA: the fog
--JA: after th gun went off my memory starts to get foggy
--JM: you do then have to get the knife in your hand for their to be injuries like in Exhibit 180.
--Nurmi objects, sidebar
--You indicated in response to a juror's question that you shot him, he went down, you stood up and the threatened you. at no time did you ever indicated that TA's hands were in contact with any knife did you?
--JA: no I did not
--JM: given the time constraints here it would be impossible for you to have the knife with you wouldn't it?
--JA: well since that is not how it happened it's not entirely possible. I did not have the knife a t the time that we fell.
--JM: and again in response to the jurors question, he stayed down when you got up right?
--JA: I don't know
--JM: you didn stand up at some point, you remember telling us that?
--JA: I guess
--JM: so you try to get away and at the time you are trying to get away, which you now seem to remember you don't have the knife right?
--JA: at that point where my memory begins to end (missed the rest).
--JM: then you had to come back to him with the knife right?
--Nurmi objects, argumentative, sidebar
--Jury is asked to go to the jury room. Judge asks counsel to go to chambers to discuss the matter. Court will resume at 1315 hours.

 

[ingra1327]

M: One of the things you did for the jurors was describe the shooting. Do you remember asking a question
for the juror's involving that?
A: Yes
M: And What you actually said was that it actually started when you were taking photographs
of Mr. Alexander in the shower, correct?
A: The shooting no, the whole incident that precipitated it, yes
M: Yes, it did start with you taking photographs in the shower correct?
A: Yes
M: And you were taking photographs of him in the shower and according to you you sort of fumbled the
camera and you took a photograph of his rear, or posterior, correct?
A: I don't remember the order the photographs were taken in.
M: Pardon
A: I don't know the order that the photos were taken in.
M: Well, do you remember telling us that exhibit number 160, this photograph here, take a look at it, which
is the last of the sequence at 5:30:30, do you remember telling us that that was a photograph
that you took when the camera was being fumbled, do you remember telling us, not us, telling me, that in cross examination?
A: No, I don't, I remember saying that it was inadvertant.
M: Oh, so this in an inadvertant photograph then?
A: Yes that was not intentionally taken
M: It was not intentionally taken right
A: That's correct
M: And this was when you were fumbling the camera, correct?
A: I don't know if that was taken when I was fumbling it or not
M: So, but you took this photograph but it was inadvertant in the sense that you didn't mean to press the button to capture this image
A: Correct
M: And after that, ma'am, he continued to be in the shower because the camera did actually fall to the floor, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: Um, I don't know when that photo was taken, it was just taken in the sequence of the events.
M: Well you do remember that You told us that this was an inadvertant photograph, right?
A: Yes
M: And then if we take a look at the next one of that was seized that you deleted which is exhibit 161
N: Objection, beyond the scope of the questions
J: Approach
M: This is another inadvertant photograph, correct
A: Correct
M: And that's at 5:31:14, correct?
A: yes
M: And so if the math is correct the difference between the one where he's seated and this one is 44 seconds, right
A: I didn't see the time on the other one
M: Let's go ahead and take a look at it then. It's 5:30:30, correct?
A: correct
M: so it's 44 seconds difference, correct?
A: Um, What was the other time? Sorry
M: Sure, 5:31:14 and 5:30:30
A: Ok, Yes
M: It is 44 seconds, correct?
A: Yes
M: and this exhibit, 161 is when the camera, according to you, actually hit the ground, right?
A: I don't know if it was hitting the ground as that photo was taken or not
M: So, you don't know how that photograph was taken, right?
A: It could have been when I was trying to catch it, I don't know
M: At some point, the camera hits the ground, right
A: Yes,
M: that's what you told the jury, right?
A: It hits the mat, yes, and rolls to the tile
M: Ma'am, yes or no, didn't you tell the jury that the camera hit the ground near the shower?
A: No
M: Yes or no
A: No, I said it landed on the mat
M: is that near the shower?
A: yes
M: is the mat on the floor near the shower?
A: Yes
M: And the camera hitting the mat, would that be near the shower?
A: Yes
M: so you did tell us then that the camera went down, hit the mat, or went down near the shower didn't it?
A: Yes
M: and then it rolled, right?
A: Yes
M: You just can't tell us if this was the photograph taken then, right?
A: I don't know exactly
N: Objection asked and answered
J: Sustained
M: And, You then said that Mr. Alexander became very upset, right?
A: Yes
M: And that that's what started this whole thing out, because he sort of stepped out of the
shower and then came after you, right?
A: He picked me up
M: That's coming after you, isn't it?
A: I guess, I think, when I think of coming after I think of chasing, but he was already right next to me
M: So, he didn't come after you, then. Alright, so at that point you weren't afraid because he wasn't coming after you, right?
A: I was afraid because he picked me up and bodyslammed me
M: Ma'am were you not afraid because he wasn't coming after you, you said he wasn't coming after you, right?
N: Objection...double negative, compound question
J: Overruled
A: Um, He wasn't chasing me yet, we were right next to each other.
M: So he wasn't coming after you, correct? That's what you just said, right?
A: I don't really know what you mean by coming after
M: Ma'am I asked you the question, do you remember me asking you the question and you
saying no he wasn't coming after me at that time, do you remember that you just said that
not more than a minute or so ago?
A: No, a moment ago I said I think of coming after as chasing
M: So he's in the shower and he's making movements toward you, would that be fair?
A: Yes
M: And those movements culminated, continued when he grabbed you and put you down on the ground, right?
A: Yes
M: And as a result of that you said that you bumped your head, or hit your head, right?
A: Yes
M: And that maybe it knocked the wind out of you right?
A: Yes
M: And that you were in fear at that point, right
A: Yes, very much
M: And that you were able to fight him off so that you could get away, right?
A: Um, I rolled
M: So you rolled so that you were able to get away, correct
A: yes
M: He wasn't for whatever reason, wasn't strong enough or have a good enough hold on you so you could get away, right?
A: He let me go when he body slammed me
M: So then you went down on the ground and he's standing over you, right, next to your shins, right?
A: Somewhere in that area, yes
M: And then you roll away and you begin to run down the hallway, right?
A: Yes
M: One of the things you also indicated with regard to one of the juror questions was that it was possible that the camera
was picked up Mr. Alexander and was deposited, placed at the end of the hallway, do you remember answering that?
A: Yes, I remember saying it was possible
M: You did say that, yes or no
A: Yes
M: And if that's true then, if that's what you really believe then that would mean that after he body slammed you
and you took off, he started looking at the camera, right?
A: If that was what I believed, but I didn't say that's what I believed.
M: But you said it was possible before, didn't you?
A: Because somebody asked if it was possible
M: You did say it, yes or no?
A: Yes
M: And So if it's possible, you said it, if it's possible that he picked up the camera, that would require him to bend down,
because he was on the ground, right?
A: Yes
M: Pick it up, right?
A: Yes
M: look at it or do whatever he was gonna do with it, right?
A: I don't know what he'd do if he picked it up
M: Right, but we talked about the possibility and you agreed that it was possible, right?
A: Certainly possile
M: If he's doing that and he's looking at the camera and you're down the hallway, he's not very close to you, is he?
A: Um, not If that's even what happened, but I don't know, I don't know how to answer that
N: Objection
J: Overruled
M: Right
A: I don't know
M: Well, no, no, you said that it was possible, do you remember saying it was possible
A: Yes
M: And if that's possible then you're down the hallway and he's and it's also possible he was not very close to you then, right?
If we're using the word possible, right?
A: Either scenario is possible he could be close or not
M: Oh so he was so close that you could turn around and see him even though he turned to look at the camera
A: I don't know, I guess I could have turned around, but I wasn't thinking of turning around, I was thinking of getting away.
M: You didn't turn around, right?
A: Not when I was running down the hall
M: Right, you didn't see him, did you?
N: No
M: And the fact that he may have turned to go to the camera adds time to this sequence of events, doesn't it?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I don't know that he did that so I don't know how to answer that
M: I understand that you don't know that he did that, but you said it was possible, do you remember saying that's possible
in response to one of the questions?
N: Objection, asked and answered
J: Sustained
M: Well, if it's possible that he did that, that indicates there is a measure of time involved for Mr. Alexander to look down there, right?
N: Objection, argumnetative
J: Overruled
A: um, I guess
M: When you say you guess that means, what, what does that mean?
A: It means all possibilities are a guess cuz I didn't look back so I don't know what was going on.
M: And if he then took it and placed it down at the end of the hallway, one of the things that you didn't tell us was that
you heard a bump or anything like that, you didn't hear anything dropping did you?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: After the camera dropped, I don't recall hearing another drop
M: Right, so if he would have dropped it at the end of the hallway you can't sit here and tell us you heard anything, right?
A: That's right, after that
M: Then you went into the closet, right?
A: Correct
M: According to you, that's where you obtained the gun, right?
A: yes
M: You went up, and you went up on the shelving and you got the gun, right?
A: Yes
M: And you went out the door and into the bathroom again, right?
A: Yes
M: When you went into the bathroom you were able to turn around, if you will, and now you have the
gun in your hands, right? That's what you told us, right?
A: Yes
M: And that's when he was coming at you in this linebacker pose,right?
A: Around that time, yes
M: And that's when you shot him in the face, right?
A: Yeah, that's when the gun went off
M: No, You keep saying the gun went off, the gun was in your hand, right?
A: Yes
M: In hands, actually, the way you demonstrated was in both hands, right?
A: Right
M: ANd you were pointing it at him, right?
A: Yes, I did point it at him
M: And there was a metal thing, or a bullet that came out of it and it shot, hit him in the head, right?
A: Yes
M: So, then according to you, he fell on top of you, right?
A: It was kind of on top, but maybe more to the right, I don't know, it wasn't directly on top of me, I was trying to prevent
him from getting on top of me.
M: And he did get on top of you at that point and you were in fear for your life, right?
A: Absolutely
M: And he was, according to you, he was saying things to you, right?
A: Yes
M: And one of the other things you told us in response to a juror question is that When you are stressed out and people are yelling at you,
you're like a computer that freezes, right?
A: Typically, yes
M: And this computer that freezes, you said I can't, people may be talking, but I can't remember or know what they're saying, correct?
A: that's correct
M: And so in this case that's what happened, you, according to you, you were in fear for your life, weren't you?
A: Yes I was
M: That would mean that things were going on in your head and you were stressed outin your head, right?
A: It was a very high stressful situation
M: so the answer's yes, right?
A: Yes, I'd say that.
M: However at this particular point when you're down there, and you're trying to get away and you're in that stressful situation
for whatever reason, this is one of the times that your computer doesn't freeze up, right?
A: Well, I don't remember everything he was screaming, I only remember pieces
M: Yes or no
A: I don't know that it was completely frozen, I remember a few phrases.
M: Well, you used that analogy when you were answering questions for the jurors didn't you?
A: Yes
M: You said that your computer froze you don't remember what people say, right?
A: Yes, that's the best analogy I can think of
M: Right, and that's what you said, right?
A: Correct
M: And so in this particular case, though, even though your computer is frozen you do remember what he said, right?
A: Um, not everything, just a few phrases.
M: Sure, the real operative phrase is "fu**ing kill you *****"
A: Absolutely
M: Your computer may have frozen as to everything else, that's the one thing you do remember
A: I recall that specifically
M: And then you got up and then the fog started to come in, right?
A: I'd say the fog started coming in after the gunshot after he got up, then he threatened my life I have no clear memories after that
M: And that's when the memory issues started, correct, right?
A: I'd say that
M: Actually, ma'am, it's impossible for the killing to have happened in that manner, isn't it?
N: Objection, argumentative
A: No
J: Overruled
M: Isn't it
A: No, it's not impossible
M: Well, ma'am, we know there is some action going on at 5:31:14, something's going on, right?
A: Yes
M: We also know exhibit 162 is 5:32:16 is a minute and 2 seconds later, correct?
A: Correct
M: You didn't have the camera with you when you shot him, right
A: I did not
M: So this needed to have happened before you shot him, right?
A: That's correct
M: So we're talking about a minute and 2 seconds between this and this right here, exhibit 162, right?
a: Yes
M: Ma'am, do you remember on cross examination that I asked you about the knife the knife that you said had been used to cut the rope
do you remember me asking you about that on cross examination?
A: Yes
M: And do you remember that you told me, well it was used initially to cut the rope, you told us that, right?
A: Yes
M: And then after it was on your wrist, it was used to cut the rope off your wrist, do you remember telling us that?
A: No, I remember you saying that
M: Pardon
A: I remember you saying that, but that's not what I said
M: YOu're saying that the last time you saw the knife was when it was used to cut the rope, right?
A: COrrect
M: And do you remember during that same cross examination I asked you well, did the knife go in the bedroom and you said I don't know, do you remember telling me that?
A: Yes
M: I asked you if it went into the closet and you said you didn't know, right
A: that's right
M: You said you didn't know where that knife had gone, right
A: I said that I didn't remember where it ended up
M: Right, Which means you don't know where it was, right, after the first time you
don't know where it was, right,that's what you said
A: Yeah, I can't remember where it was placed after we cut the rope
M: Right, which is the point, you don't remember where the knife was after it was used to cut the rope, right?
A: Yes
M: If that's the case that you don't remember where the knife was after the shooting as your standing there and
the fog or your memory comes in or your memory starts to create a problem when you're doing them,
the fog doesn't help you remember things, it's not a good thing for your memory is it
A: Well the way you described it isn't accurate
M: Well, I'm asking you whether or not this fog that you described for us, whether or not this fog enhances your ability or improves your ability to remember, yes or no?
A: I don't understand how memory works in the brain I just know
M: I'm not asking you to talk to me about the physiology of the brain, I'm asking about you and I'm asking you to tell me
whether or not this fog that you've been telling us about increases your ability to remember, even though your going into this fog
A: I would not say that it increases, but I don't know, I don't remember
M: How about this lack of memory, does this lack of memory increase your ability to remember things you didn't remember before
A: I don't know
M: You don't know, you are the one where you have been telling us about these instances where Mr.
Alexander would come at you, according to you, and abuse you and that would create memory issues for you, do you
remember telling us that.

A: On some instances it did happen
M: Sure, you're the only one that knows about this memory stuff, right, because according to you, it happened to you, right
A: I don't think I'm the only one that knows
M: I'm not asking I'm asking if you're the only one that knows, I'm asking you whether or not you are the one that has the best knowledge of what happens
to you when this fog rolls in.
N: Objection calls for specuation
J: Overruled you may answer
A: I don't really have an understanding of what happens I just know I can only describe it the best that I can
M: And in describing it, ma'am, to use your words when the fog rolls in it does not improve your memory, does it?
A: I don't know, I wouldn't say it does
M: Well, in this case, ma'am, you've now shot him. You've told us that the fog is rolling in and you have no memory, you
still don't know where the knife if, do you?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: I don't remember a lot from that period, it could be
M: Right, but you told us before that period even that you didn't know where the knife was, do you remember just telling me that.
A: Today as I sit here, I don't remember where the knife was on June 4th, I might have remembered where it was
M: Ma'am do you remember on cross examination that I asked you if you knew where the knife was on June 4th and you said no
I don't remember where the knife was because I didn't pay attention to what he was doing with it. Do you remember telling us that?
A: I didn't use those words, I just said that he cut the rope and I don't remember where he put it when he was done cutting it
M: Those aren't the exact words, but that was the understanding that you remembered about him cutting the knife but you didn't
remember where he put the knife back then, that's what you told us on cross examination do you remember that, because the prosecutor
was trying to ascertain from you where the knife has gone, right?
A: That was two questions
M: Which one do you want to answer, answer them both.
A: I'll answer the first one. I don't remember saying that, I remember speculating that it could have gone to the night stand
or it could have been left in the bathroom. I don't recall talking about the closet which you brought up a few minutes ago and
then if that's, I don't remember the second question.
M: So, if you don't know where it was, it could have been in the closet, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
A: I don't know
J: Ms. Arias When there is an objection, don't answer the question until I rule on the objection.
A: I'm sorry, okay
J: Your objection is?
N: Argumentative
J: Overruled, you may answer now
A: I don't know
M: And so as you shot Mr. Alexander, you by necessity, then had to go look for the knife, don't you?
A: I don't know the answer to that
M: Well you didn't have the knife in your hand when you shot him, did you?
N: Objection
J: Sustained
M: Did you have the knife in your hand when you shot him?
N: Objection, same question
J: Overruled
A: No, I did not
M: So that means if you didn't have the knife in your hand, you needed to go get it from somewhere, right?
A: I guess
M: No, no, no there's no guessing here now, uh uh, if you didn't have it in your hand and you just shot him and you're
rolled away, right
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Sustained
M: You got up, you were able to get away, right, that's what you told us, right?
A: That's right
M: You needed to go get that knife at that point
A; No, it's possible Travis grabbed the knife first
M: Okay, but you told us that the knife wasn't there, do you remember telling us that just now
N: Mischaracterizes her testimony
J: Overruled
A: No, I remember testifying that it wasn't in my hand when the gun went off
M: Oh so as Mr. Alexander is coming toward you, he now has the knife in his hand, that's what you're telling us
A: No, I didn't say that either.
M: Okay, so as Mr. Alexander is getting blasted at going down, he's got the knife in his hand, right
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: That was all in the same moment when he was lunging at me
M: He doesn't have the knife in his hand, does he?
A: Not in that particular moment, no
M: Ma'am, I'm asking you at that particular time, he doesn't have the knife in his hand, right?
A: I just said no
M: And he goes down sort of next to you, right?
A: we both go tumbling
M: Sure you both go down. You never told us that he had any knife then, did you?
A: I wasn't asked
M: Oh, I see, So what you're saying is that now he has the knife with him, now that's what you're saying, he's got the knife.
A: I didn't say that either
M: Which one is it ma'am, does he have the knife or he doesn't have the knife
N: Objection,argumentative asked and answered about three times now.
J: Sustained
M: You do then agree that if you didn't know where the knife was and Mr. Alexander didn't have it,
it would take time for you to go find that knife, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: i don't know, I don't know where the knife was
M: Right, since you didn't know where the knife was, it would take time to go find it, irrespective of where it was, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: Can you repeat your question?
M: Janelle, could you
CR: You do then agree if you didn't know where the knife was, if Mr. Alexander didn't have it, would it take time for you to go find that knife, wouldn't it?
A: I don't know the answer to that
M: You don't think that a movement, such as a step takes time
N: Objection
J: sustained
M: Ma'am, if the knife, even if the knife was there, your grabbing it took time didn't it.
N: Objection, argumentative same question
J: Overruled
A: I guess in theory I don't remember grabbing it
M: Alright, in theory. And if the knife for example, since you can't tell us where it was, but if the knife was in the bedroom
which some of the action was going on there, that would have taken more time then if it was, for example, in the closet, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: OVerruled
A: Um, not necessarily, I don't remember it being in the closet and it would depend on the point if it were ever in the closet
M: I'm not asking you that question, my question is more about time. Isn't it true that if the knife was in the bedroom or the closet
as opposed to the bathroom, that would take more time to go and get it, right?
A: At that point, I guess cuz we were in the bathroom when we fell
M: Right and if you didn't know where it was, assuming you didn't know where it was back then, it would have taken time to
actually look for it, wouldn't it?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: I guess under that theory?
M: Sure under that theory, it would take time right?
A: I guess
M: Again you keep saying I guess like you don't know about time. You owned a watch, right. Or at some point in your life you've owned
watches, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Sustained
M: You know about time, ma'am, you know that movement takes time, don't you?
N: Objection
J: sustained
M: In this case, what we have to deal with, as we did the mathmatics, 62 seconds and what you're telling us in your scenario
in 62 seconds you get body slammed, you do whatever you do but you get away, you run down the hallway, you go into the closet, you
grab a gun, you back up, you shoot Mr. Alexander, after you shoot Mr. Alexander, to pick up the camera because you said it's only a
possibility and he's already down the hallway with his throat slit, right, that's what you're telling us
N: Objection, it's argumentative and lack of foundation
M: Overruled, you may answer
A: I didn't say that was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn't correct the way you asked it, I don't know that his
throat is slit in that picture either
M: I'm not asking you about the possibility, I'm asking you if you're telling us that within 62 seconds, you dropped the camera because
that's what precipitates these things and we have this right here where there is some action which is exhibit 161, in the 62 seconds between that
photograph and exhibit 162, you are body slammed, you get away, you go down the hallway, you go in the closet, you get the gun, you go into the bathroom
again, you then turn around, you point the gun, you shoot him, you go down, he's still pawing you and says ****in' kill you ***** you're able to get
away, you go get the knife and he ends up at the end of the hallway, is that what you're telling us
A: He didn't say fu**ing kill you ***** before I broke away, but he said it as I broke away.
M: So he did say it though, didn't he.
A: He did say that
M: And he said it after you shot him, right?
A: Yes, that occurred afterward
M: And after he was grabbing it right
A: Yes
M: After you were able to get away
A: As I was breaking away
M: And then you had to go get the knife for everything to occur so that we've got here.
A: I don't know all the particulars that are going on in that pictures, so I can't say if it's true or not
M: You're denying that's your foot here?
A: No, I'm not denying anything about the photo, I just don't know details of the photo
M: You do know the time
A: Yes
M: and you understand, You do know for example this is blood and blood doesn't happen unless you get cut, right?
N: Objection
J: Sustained
M: And ma'am another thing is there's another reason why your scenario is impossible
N: Objection, argumentative
J; Sustained
M: Well, ma'am let's talk about this issue of him getting shot, You describe for us, pawing at you, and then you're able to sort of
stand up, he says ****ing kill you *****, then the fog goes
A: Then I have no memory, the fog was already there
M: When did the fog set in then, if it didn't set in there
A: I don't remember the exact time
M: I'm not asking for time, just sequence of events
A: Well, definitly after the gun went off, my memory, I don't know it starts to get more confusing at that time
M: And at the time that your mind starts fogging up when the gun went off you haven't seen the knife, right?
A: I saw it earlier
M: Sure you did, but not as part of this attack, right?
A: That's correct
M: So we've talked about it, you do have to get the knife in your hand for there to be injuries like 180, right?
N: Objection
J: Approach
M: You indicated in response to a juror's questions that the shooting happened and he went down, right?
A: Yes
M: And that you were able to roll away, correct, or get up
A: Yes
M: And as you stood up, and as you're getting up is when he threatened you, right?
A: Yes, that's when he verbally threatened me
M: At no time in response to that question did you ever indicate that Mr. Alexander's hands were in contact with any knife, did you
A: No, I did not
M: And given the time constraints here and the fact that you didn't know where the knife was, it would have been impossible
for you to not have the knife with you when the attack happened, right?
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: I don't understand that question, sorry
M: It would have been impossible to, in response to a juror question you gave a scenario, that scenario would be impossible to
happen unless you had the knife immediately with you, right?
N: Objection, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: Well, since that's not how it happened, it's definitely not impossible
M: So you did have the knife with you?
A: Um, I didn't have the knife at the time that we fell and at the time that he threatened my life
M: At the time that you shot him, did you or did you not have the knife with you
A: I did not
M: And you obtained it at some other point that you can't tell us, right?
A: It would appear that way, yes
M: You say it would appear that way, Let's be clear, there wasn't anybody else there, right?
A: That's correct
M: You and he were the only ones there, right
A: Yes
M: And again in response to the juror question of everything happening near the door to the closest, ma'am, one of the things
that you said is that he stayed down when you got up, right?
N: Objection, mischaracterizes testimony
J: Overruled
A: I don't know, because I don't remember a lot after that
M: You did say you remember the famous threat, or not the famous threat, but the threat, right?
A: Yes
M: You were standing at that time, right?
A: No, I was on the ground next to him and breaking away, I don't know if I was getting up or what it was very fast,
contemporaneous with that.
M: And you did stand up at some point, you remember telling us that, right?
A: I believe I did
M: And when you stood up he was still on the ground
A: I don't recall looking back
M: Pardon
A: I don't recall looking back
M: So even though he's still a threat to you, according to you and he's just threatned your life, you turn your back on the threat
A: Yeah, I'm trying to get away
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: Yeah, I'm trying to get away from him
M: Okay, you're trying to get away and at the time you're trying to get away which you now seem to remember, you don't
have the knife, right?
A: Up to that point I
M: Yes, or no, do you have the knife at that point.
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: right at that point where my memory begins to end, I didn't have the knife at any point that I remember, so the answer would have to be no
M: So the answer is no, right
A: Yes
M: And again according to you, if he's already down and is not going to be able to get up, that means that you had to come back to him
A: I didn't explain that to the jurors
M: Ma'am that means you have to come back to him with the knife, don't you
N: Objection, mischaracterizes the testimony, argumentative
J: Approach

 

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JM to JA . . . you remember saying you had dropped the knife
I had gripped it
did you drop knife, tell jury you screamed? yes
didn't tell them about gripping the knife . . .do you think strength of gripping it is important to the case? don't know
you had knife, had in your hand at one point, dropped the knife and took it with you . .
took it where?
I don't know you did it. . . . . you remember dropping knife, having a gun,
items I remember was my luggage, the gun, don't remember much until I was a little more lucid.
#162 you were in socks
When I pulled over I didn't have any shoes -
did you leave your shoes behind
I don't know- just remember not having shoes
took socks off- said you remember being barefoot while driving - took sox off in the house?
it could have been anywhere
remember hearing sound of tile when dropped knife - correct
yeah I screamed . . . . remember nothing immediately after that for many hours, next thing remember don't remember gassing up . . . . ..gap in memory . . . .

pulled off on side road didn't know where you were - Nevada border not knowin which direction going
objection - approach? you may

 

[wenwe4]

JM - you told story about pulling off to the side of the road - vague very little memories of leaving the house. . . . near Nevada border - drove car towards hoover Dam . . . how long did it take to get to Hoover Dam from time you cleaned up?
Well, I remember driving into the sun a little ways and it was dark when I got to Hoover dam.
Got rid of the gun and the clothing told jurors?
yes
I need t correct my last answer . . I don't know what I did withmy clothes
I remember I did get rid of the gun
remember driving to d

You did put gas the car you said yes
I did say that
you were cognizant enough to look @ a gas gauge
presumably
you did look and you did put gas in the car
I don't remember if I did I am presuming I did like everything else that was on June 4th, I don't remember but there is evidence of.

I tems you got rid of included gun, don't know what happened tto the clothing,
yes
left the camera behind - deleted images including #162
yes
did take the rope
yes
knife heard it clank - believe it happened in the bathroom
that is right
everything we have talked about -you have somehow in this fog you have manipulated everything
object

you deleted photos
maybe some - I don't remember

not asking whether you remember - you did delete certain photos
I guess I did
you mean you believe somebody else did it
no

knife you believe you dropeed it the ne that inflicted all these injuries, you moved it
Ibelieve that
You said you believe it
I don'' believe I said that

a psychologist or a Masters in Social work - A social worker
that is right
you indicated certain things to them
objection
approach

 

[wenwe4]

You went to Utah . . . . you got gas - did you use debit or credi t card

yeah
you had a gun . . . indicated it was in a holster
I said that . .. it was at one point in a holster but box?
holster or not
can't tell you that
eventhough you already testified it was in a holster
at one point it was in a holster and one point it was in a box
you told us the gun was in a holster when you grabbed it
I don't recall if it was in the holster when I grabbed it
are you having memory problems
not that I am aware of
you seem to imply that I am but not that I am aware of

at some point you bought a 9mm handgun after you killed TA
yes
you bought it for personal reasons - personal safety reasons - going to go on a camping trip
that was one of the reasons
that was main reason . . . you also told them required you to have a hand gun because it was only going to be guys
yes that I knew of - only guys so far - still organizing the trip
you don't have to add that you knew of on there

didn't you tell us you bought gun going on a camp trip only going to be men
I remember saying that was one of thereasons I bought the gun
you said you only wanted to be cautious
that and I never went on the camp trip
cautious, group of guys who drink beer
yeah just wanted to be careful
you really didn't need to go on this camp trip
no
this trip there were ladies going to go
we were organizing it but I was the only lady going so far
issue involving TA wasthe reason you were cautious

object -approach

 

[wenwe4]

JM . . . Ma'am remember Jurors asked you about reading the BOM - it has guided your life . . . you don't engage in drinking caffeine
that is a book that came out later . .. Doctrine & Covenents came out in the 1920
's . . . .Pearl of GreatPrice . . . .Word of Wisdom . . .. . problem you have re: chastity like Nehpi 934 . . .

That's First Nephi?
Yes take a look @ 934
This is 2nd Nephi
it does talk about lying right?
yes
lays it out on no uncertain terms . . . read it to us
more or less you are condemned to hell
for lying right?
yes

you said you followthe BOM . . . but you really don't follow th BOM?
What time period?
Your lifetime . . .. you just said this book guides or governs you life according to what it lays out?
Well . . . it is not a yes or no question I mean answer so if you let me I would
you read it cover to cover right
I wasn't asked that way
read it chapter by chapter
the word chastity was not in there . . . there are other books
other books you read?

in the afterlife? there ar other boks Iread . . . . one given by Desiree Freeman
the book in 2006, 2007 & 2008
you are notgoing to lie
I don't know if that is one of the questions @ baptism

When your convenience - law of chastity you say it was't specific enough but when it come to lying

objection
appraoch

 

[wenwe4]

There was a fight the morning of the Havasuipai trip . . .. Mr. Freeman started it by lightening the load in the back pack . . . . you started to cry ran to the bathroom - TA followed you . . .. I didn't cry downstairs . . . . . discombobulated . . . is that same as being confused? a litte bit yea. . . . having memory problems?

Subject matter was totally unrelated to the argument downstairs
there was no argument downstairs . . . I wasn't happy or thrilled . . . I took backpack looking for my toothbrush

didn't you just say there was an agurment downstairs just thirty seconds ago?
I said the opposite 30 seconds

you said TA came upstairs and a fight insued

you are saying Mr. Alexander came upstairs and there was a fight that ensued . . . that is correct

JM - there is a response

I was a little discombobulated because my stuff was downstairs in th back pack . . . .

JM after that where the word . . . was use



You were here when Mr. Freeman testified . . . . he said when you got in the backpack that is when it really started. . . . tA said F you . . .you said he couldn't be a good father if he used those words . . . . you use those words . . I do on occasion . . . .used it on the audio tape of May 10?

you use word of F You right?
objection beyond the scope of the juror question
approach

 

[wenwe4]

you would use that word yourself, you used it on may 10, 2008
yes I did
regard this issue of chastity - you took your guidance from TA
um the specifics yes
actually not true
object - argumentative
you said I don't care - even if it is wrong - you contined
when we had vaginal sex yes
you know it is wrong - I am still gonna do it anyway

I think I said ifit is wrong I don' wanna be right

you knew it was wrong independent
that we were going all the way - yeah I knew

asked about calling 911 . . . you said it relates back to Bobby Quades . . . .
yes
physical altercation with him
yes
you dialed 911 and according to you the police called back
yes I think it was the 911 operator
you were certain you called 911
pretty certain - it was chaotic but pretty sure I got 911
you did not equivocate
I did not
a return call from the police dept
I don't know - he just said shut up they are going to call back
he convinced whoever on the line it was accident - no one came out

you said that is why didn't call 911 when TA abused you
I didn't say that
you were asked why not call 911 when TA abused you was because of Mr. Quades . . . you did connect the 2 together . .. . the question connected to the 2 and I responded to the question

did you or did you not connect the 2?
if the time . . .. that is the reason . . . .
objection asked and answered overrulledmultiple times

answer with TA and the claim of physical abuse
object she has repeatedly answered question

part of the reason you didn't call 911 was incident with Mr. Quades
that was part of it
nothing stopped you
in the heat of the moment travis did but I could have
you could have taken photos
yes
you took photos of injury to finger@casa ramos
breaking margarita glass or jambing it?
I jambed it against metal edge

remember tell jury you moved back to Yreka April 2008
yes
told jury issue involve injury to yur neck
yes
you could have taken pictures of your self
yes
you did that on june 3 2008 in a car when you took those photos
object - beyond scope of the question
approach please

 

[wenwe4]

Not sure if this posted . . . forgive if double post

You could have taken pics of other injuries too right
yea but I didn't I was ashamed of those
you went into tA's closet to get gun but you told Det Flores TA didn't have a gun
yes
you called Det Flores he didn't use his technique on you
I assumed he was based on what an Atty told me
on june 10th you did say the defendant did nothave a gun
I did say that

you say you are 5'5" or 5'6" - standing o the ground you can reach gun

my eye level is same as photo of TA's Dad .. . . level with this photo
I want certainty
I can't give you certainty unless I am standing in the closet

toclean up there I would move the seat to clean up there
if your eyes are level with this phto . . . you can reach the top accrding to you
I could probably reach up there and touch te top
you cleaned it multiple times
yes
you don't know how tall it was
I can't be certain

you could reach the top
not for cleaning
you didn't have to stand on your tippy toes
I don't rmember
the corner is where you found the gun
that is the gun TA claimed was unloaded
you believed that gun was unloaded
um I believed him

I believed him when he assured me when I first found it . . .but he loaded it in early December at one point and one point he used it . . . he loaded it and took it with him.
this is the first time we are hearing this
no - I mentioned it but I didn't expound upon it

did you believe or not the gun was loaded?
I didn't stop to think about whether it was loaded - the only time the gun cam to my head I pointed it . . .

do you remember saying it a couple of days ago
I don't know
again you said you could reach it from just standing and thegun was not visible
it was tucked back there
it was in the corner
back and not on the lip

you were eye level here could touch the top of this you would still have t have something
yes
did you use something
I did step on one of the shelves on the right . . . .I probably needed a higher shelf . . . this shelf or this shelf here?
correct

Ma'a those shelves are resting shelves aren't they?
you mean resting?

bring it is closer - see these little holes with these little pegs to hold those shelfs . . . resting shelves that rest on 4 little pegs.
you are familiar withthem
yes somewhat

do you kow what the rating is for these shelves
what do you mean by rating
the weight they can hold
you have put them together . . . .

you were afraid for your life, not thinking about the shelves
I was worried about his pursuit
you were worried about your life . . . .not thinking about everything stays clean, in order . . .for example if you need to step here or there. . . necessary you are going to put foot up there
my foot just hit the edge
didn't go all way into the shelves
no
weren't worried about neatness
I wasn' even worried about movng things
you were in fear for your life
yes
nothing out of order
you ddn't put your foot all the way in
no I would have fallen backwards

wouldn't that shelf have tipped over?
objection
youtold us you put one together
notthese ones
ones like these
yes

I have put some together
these shelves rest on pins
you put shelves like these together
I have done that
you do know if you attempt to put your foot here with any weight . . . you are putting your foot on here
yes I did climb up there
you put your weight on it - you weighed 120 - reached up with a hand
which ever hand wasn't holding the top shelf
put foot on one of thse 2 with other hand grabbed it
jumped up real quick grabbed it and jumped down

put it on the ledge
didn't put foot weight on it
not worried about that - it was in the corner - stepped down, came down to ground, there was a holster? yes or no
object - asked and answered
grabbed gun - turn and point @ TA. . . .your belief the gun was unloaded . . . .I wasn't thinking loaded or not just wanted to stop

you told this jury you stood there and pointed gun @ ta you told them it was unloaded . . .. it had bween loaded @ one time . . . I didn't intend to shoot just wanted him to stop .. . I thought it was unloaded . . . I don't rmember this gun is loaded . . .. I just wanted him to stop.

asking you whether or not you indiated as you held your hand out you believed gun was unloaded.

I don't remember specific answer I gave - I don't recall it being loaded.

TA told you it was not loaded . .. he did - he told me both . . . . .it's not loaded one day he loaded and then said it was loaded

go withthese words of TA believe unload . . . you think it is unload you take run into the closet what were going to do with gun if unloaded.

object - asked and answered
then she is being unresponsive
all right -counsel approach please

 

[wenwe4]

You were just pointing the gun @ him when he came at you?
yes
you know you are required to pull the trigger to fire?
yes
you pulled the trigger and fired it and you killed him right
yeah

Afternoon recess - counsel please approach

JAlook very sullen . . . . tiny voice with the last answer. . . .she is watching every juror exit . ..

 

[wenwe4]

Juror question
how many times in total did you see TA' ?
3 times . . . once shown, once cleaning, once on June 4

missed second

were you and Matt McCartney living in separate city when you saw Bianca ..
yes he was in crater lake - national park
were you broken up at that time
I guess - we didn't break up - he still came to my house for sex and stuff - I don't know what he was thinking

TA . . . the knife
You don't remember the knife

you say you remember putting the knife in dishwasher but you say you heard it drop on the tile floor
I have a vague memory of doing that . . . I remember hearing it hit floor but I did dishes - same knife used in rope cutting.

did you take photo of yourself . . . .in the truck

I took picture with makeup on to hide bruises . . . .makeup not make a record of them . . .it was to not make a record of them

how many phone calls . . . texts . . . #362, #366,
texts, and emails on the 3rd and 4th. . .
Jodi reviews records counting them. . . .