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Attorneys are all here, #JodiArias was escorted out. Something is up. Juan is smiling, Nurmi pours coffee. Sup????
 
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Dr. Samuels left earlier. There is a slight buzz going around of a plea? Could it be? Stay tuned


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Attorneys are all here, #JodiArias was escorted out. Something is up. Juan is smiling, Nurmi pours coffee. Sup????
 
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Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer

Alexander's sisters look shook from the conference, but I couldn't speculate why.

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Ugh. I have butterflies in my stomach. I hope nothing has gone wrong.
 
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Dr. Samuels left earlier. There is a slight buzz going around of a plea? Could it be? Stay tuned. #JodiArias



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Willmott just brought Dr. Samuels back in, he is seated in the defense area. #JodiArias
 
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TwitterChris Williams @chriswnews

Some #TravisAlexander fam & friends now removing blue ribbons & pics fr clothes. Appears what Juan Martinez met w/them about. #JodiArias
 
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Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews 51s
Mid-back row male #JodiArias juror just turned in a question. Dr Samuels could be up here a while.
 
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Just jumping on for a little bit . . ..

you don't get attached to your first hypothesis . . . .

3-8 per 100,000 percentage very low?
that was for Transient Global Amnesia

why JA did not flee from the bedroom . . . she did try to - need to protect herself . . . flight first then further fight

most of the time people fill out the questionairres themselves .

person lied and you test them - how could that person be believed if they are lying.

PDS test not based upon trauma but evaluating throughout lifetime for stress . . . it is somewhat irrelevant what the details of the stressor but whether they faced sitation in their lif with a stressor.

repeatedly physical and verbal abuse . . . from TA

question #14 and #15 . . . . intruder story from 6 month to 3 years . . . based upon a fictitious story? yes that is correct . . . . based upon score from lie . . .

I would not make a diagnosis if the person . . . . lie . . .
object

diagnosing a person who continue lie to you . . . .
unsubstaintiated by anything else I would not make a diagnosis if I knew they were lying

this doesn't bother her often . . . . doesn't it seem inconsistent with not bothering her a lot?
constent with someone with amnesia if no memory formed

even if intentional isn't it possible that event cause stress

why would JA run into the closet and corner herself
closet had 2 doors - a place to run thru away from TA

fight or flight mode . . . . danger

depending on trauma . . . . if someone next room she could have screamed . . . she responded instinctual basis . . . run for phone call or get help takes longer . . . not an alternative for her

she had PTSD or acute distress disorder before the death of TA?
I cannot tell . . . many symptoms occurred after the incident occurred - physical numbing,

accidentally killing someone would give acute stress?
accident shoot someone in the woods unlikely to develop flight or fight mode . . . . killing in a fight and emotionally charged there is a greater chance of acute stress reaction.

didn't write negative stuff about TA . . .
 
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premeditated killing - amnesia is less likely to occur

you didn't retest and you said a retest would not be needed as the score was the same.
I was thrown by the voracity of Mr. Martinez . . . .
no set requirement to test to begin with, do a double test/retest, or test @ all

JA did things to please TA but you never spoke to him?
reviewed . . . she had a weak response to people who aer abusive to her

might be marrying other people . . . her writings (do not?) show strong degree of vindictiveness

are PTSD and amnesia . . . . the only place diagnostic criteria are in the DSM4 . . . .if person meets criteria for PTSD . . . . can they meet another diagnosis?
unlikely but PTSd and acute stress disorder overlap quite a bit

more questions from the jurors . .. looks like 1 more
 
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JA presented with physiological symptoms began after June 2008 . . . . any time previous to that. . . .
she did have some shaking and sweaty palms with altercation with TA
those PTSD symptoms began with more regularity after the incident

Wilmot & Dr. Samuels

an incident TA pushed her down and choke her and experience the tremors . .. .
anger and fear she felt describes from the beginning of their meetings even while telling the intruder story . . being forthright began to describe details of relation with TA . . . later when she told you what actually happened on 6/4/08 . .. yes she had made that breakthrough and relating more to me @ the time

jealousy . . . supported the idea there was no jealousy involved . . . listen to tape recording between JA and TA . .yes. . . discuss marry other people, yes . . .TA going to cancun. . yes . . . any anger from JA to TA on that tape/ no

in journal articlesTA not being the person to marry - yes she write that once . . . marry different people . .trip on June 2 going to visit another man

speak with him thru text messages and phone . . . trip to Utah . . . june 2008 . . . aware her move away from tA? yes . . . back to California review text messages talking about how good she felt - no way indicative of jealousy . . .

just talked about being thrown during testimony - PSD test and whether should have given it again . . . any concerns PSD would have been not PTssd // no . . . score would remain same or go higher.

there was a trauma and how seriously it affect you and what ways . . .both were terrible storys . .. the intruder story was bad enough but the true story was even worse.

confident enough in the results to use it to confirm make a PTSD diagnosis . . . . make a hypothesis . . . make a diagnose somebody - give them a body of tests? . . .

purpose of tests is to refine oringal hypothesis . . . experience working with people who have these disorders . . . working with them confirming with criteria from DSM

disasociative identity disorder - original hypothesis . . . confirmed that was out pretty quick . . . in most of the therapy I do . . . I don't do it anymore . . . .often didn't do testing because insurance company do not like to pay for testing . . . . when you do psychotherapy you are pretty much on your own . . . . talk about experience - helpful when talking to patient about experience and symptoms . .. . a medical doctor pains somewhere - doesn't that MD want to know where pains arefirst before sent out to test?
yes
objection
 
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When you have visited a Dr . . did they send you out for medical tests first? . . . . do they want to know symptoms are first before sending for xray . . .

in psychology we would want to know what is the presenting problem . . . what their symptoms . . .

well experienced physician or psychologist experience to listen to a patient . . . clarity because they have seen it or heard it before 100s of times or dozens of times before

why would JA run into the closet vs. run out the door - when person is in fight or flight do they make those higher decisions?
like an animal doing something out of fear . . . old part of the brain because cerebral cortex (higher level thinking of the brain) isn't function - ....put a distance between self and situation - run or flee

hard to predict or know how person will behave becaue they are not rational . . .closet not a dead end . . connected 2 rooms - egress . . . fight or flight

distance between attacker and themselves . . . . JA talk about getting out of the room anther time when TA caught her . . . yes . . . from I read/understood and was told . . . . it is possible motor neuron fight or flight it is possible I am making a hypothesis


we could guess all day why turn to closet instead of door - is it possible to never know?
that is true - it is below level of consciousness . . . . never offer clear cut explanation of why a person does A instead of B . . .. decision aking is based upon survival not based upon higher level thinking . . .

rational situation or not . . . . photographer leaving a camera with pictures of all that went onthat day . . . . not rational
no
objection = goes to state of mind
approach
 
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If someone in fight ro flight situation - behavior no always rational . . . would it be considered rational . . . . evidence behind they were at a crime scene . . . irrational

leads detectives right up to them . . . not something well thought out
asking for help - brain in fight or flight would not stop to make a phone call . . . .
miliseconds count . . . dialing 911 . . . .. get very nervous cant press the buttons properly . . . doing things more rational that require planning generally do not occur

was anyone @ home when this occurred with JA . .. no
anyone there to help her?
to my knowledge no one else in the house other than TA

untruthful . . . . have you had situation happen to you?
only with some adolescents . . . I had their parents come in . . . some circumstances have occurred . . . which is reason I don't tape . . .

listen there are some inconsistencies in their story . . . are you embarrassed about? ask them in a gentle manner - not an aggressive manner - are you sure it happened that way . . . catch more flies with sugar than vinegar . . . . some times with adolescent they may be fighting with their parents . . . you may need to see someone else - most of the people who are paying good money don't have a problem with that

any problem with JA

objection
approach
 
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WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 2m
Again, for at least the 6th time we hear that the intruder story was a psychological defense mechanism. #JodiArias
 
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Every time Willmott is done with a question everyone sighs in dissapointment when she starts up her next question. #JodiArias
 
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I see many jurors tuning out. Looking at the ground. Playing with their fingernails. #JodiArias
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Every time Willmott is done with a question everyone sighs in dissapointment when she starts up her next question. #JodiArias
 
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the most I would say to her . . . are you sure . . didn't want to push her . . . . her defense mechanism . . . after I went back to her and she revealed more information . . . . she expanded more - I didn't have to suspend my diagnosis - it wasn't any different - in this story the trauma was worse . . .

situation talking about the intruder story - the manefastation of a psychological distress mechanism . . . with diagnosis of PTSD . . . degrade with dealing with the stimuli of trauma they went thru . . . her way of dealing with it - it didn't happen - somebody else did it. . . it was so horrific she could not envision it . . . . . if it was therapy it could be considered therapeutic breakthrough . . .


patient take the PDS test . . . lying. . . the PDS is not based upon the nature of the trauma . . .a trauma is a trauma . . . there was a murder and she was witness to that . . . . trauma - intruder story . . . . her life was threatened she was witness to horrific crime actor or sole observer . . . . when she actually came through with what happened - the trauma was worse than the made up story.

Normed population were to lie on the test when it was being created . . . would that be a loophole.

test is constructed - items on the test had many more than jut 175 items to begin with . . . . particular type of diagnosis . . . . complex computational process . . . . score and scale pattern similar to known people in that diagnostic category . . . . complex and long process . . . standard number of items . . . algorythms - make predictions to what type of diagnositic category compared to the sample group we know have that particular diagnostic criteria.

if the sample group lied . . . create a loophole?

no these people are really smart that came up with the test- not likely

validity scale on MCMI what are they testing for?
looking for consistencies internal in the test where question . . . . .random question . . . I have travelled 30times over the atlantic within the past year . . . if you answer yes it is likely you are not being truthful

no being truthful to the questions on the test . . . develop to determine personality . . . . test is to see how people are functioning . . . . using correlational techniques focus test on correlated type questions - not factual question.

I like sports magazines . . . . . certain people with some diagnosis like sports magazines . . . just this one question means nothing but with 537 other questions can correlate to something

tied up with the rope she was tied up more than one time . . . TA used a knife to cut the lenghth of the rope . . .

low self esteem question - common or normal in the general population . . . wasn't normal but is not uncommon

could see in JA just by looking @ her = read the material . . . with experience you can determine pretty clearly - eye contact, voice, confident solutions, aggressive solutions, not assertive response . .

aggressive = beligerant . . . . angry parent lecturing a child

assertivce person - rational friendly adult to adult relationships

low self esteem - related to assertive . . . . yes low self est - not assertive

confront a boyfriend after cheating in her . . . able to confront another woman who was cheating on her boyfriend

JA spoken to another girlfriend of TA . . . . speaking to her . . . she was able to engage

talk to Bianca who Matt was seeing . . . . speak wit Bianca person - same time JA was still dating MM . . . . mean she is assertive because she was able

I had a patient who was CEO of company of womens coats . . . . over 1500 people he oversaw @ work but came to see me about his relationship with his mother.

JA was not assertive with TA . . . in part because she viewed him as being superior to her . . .

he was making out with another woman - yes
 
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JA does not respect herself adequately . . . . allow people to take advantage of you over and over again. . .

Irritable on the phone with her mom . . . JA show anger towards her mom . . . able to show anger to anyone else? rarely . . . . show that to TA during their relationship? if at all not frequently . . .

if she did what was his response? . . . he would not call her for several days feel as if he would abandon her almost in a panic from him not calling for severaldays . . . .fairly common practice especially early on . . . . . .

class of misogynists . . men who take control over women . . . . not callng her is taking control - pattern in many relationships .. . women with low self esteem man can power and control with withholding of love . . . . from the texts and the writings he gleaned this infor

sent her $9 book - did not consider her a fond relationship with her . . . . he considered JA his client . . .

any improper relationship for sending a book
never heard it that way before , not improper

sit down and chit chat like friends
no I was her evaluator . . . . specific to getting information . . .

question about leading question - appropriate when you first meet?
no we are trained well . . . . learn not to use leading questions - distort and bias interview . . . .

sailboat person going this way and you put fan to blow them the other way . . . training for children who were interviewed by police officers . . . child was lead to answer a specific way - they were not aware of it.

training is very extensive . . . mock interviews - tapes or videos or films. . . . interviews of good and bad ones . . . critiquied . . .

training put your experience behind that ...

periodic refresher training . . . learn to organize thinking as to not ask leading questions . . . aware of what you doing and control it and do not allow them to go to far.

leave out imporatance of accurate report . . . it is important

important to you same as important to police - no
anal intercourse importance was what to you? . . .a pattern of ongoing behavior to maintain relationship while she didn't object it was pleasurable for her . . . . fact she had only done it couple times in other relations . . . . he may have had more power over her . . . . or she accommodated him more

involved your diagnosis for PTSD ? no irrelevant to my report

summarize report . . . dates are landmarks . . . . the day of the killing - that was important . . . other whether it happened before or after doesn't matter to me . . . that is how I have been doing this for awhile now - seems to work out for me

left a few out does that change your diagnosis . . . .. . . this criteria applies . . . . I omitted a couple of letters and number but wheni reviewed it I noticed .

you added on later / . . . . I had listed all the criteria that existed I omitted couple numbers and letters . . . . it appeared she didn't meet criteria but I had info all along
 
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Nice!!! The Jury called a recess!!!
 
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I missed a few minutes of testimony (and I haven't gotten all of the questions)

She suffers from dissociative amnesia and acute stress disorder - high probablility . . .

crime scene - chaotic and controlled frenzy
great strength able to move TA's body back to the shower - adrenaline

she did suffer from acute stress d/o - dissociative amnesia is very often correlated . . . .

since you ddn't talk to her immediately after within 2 weeks . . . .

meteor crater near flagstaff we know a meteor hit it . . . didn't see the meteor come down can't say in a diagnosable way . . . . in all reasonable certainty this is where the diagnosis came down . . . .

25-30 hrs spent with her - 30 hrs starts t o become therapeutic . . .

more than enough info to finish report . . . . no further point t be served . . . no need to continue

some eevals 6 hrs, 2 hrs, 10-15 hrs. . . . as a rule 25-30 hrs is a good stretch of time . . . some people spend more - . . . the professional knows when to stop

having problem with a battery or something

afternoon recess til 3:15 - you are excused

stand for the jury

counsel approach - we are at recess
 
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One of the jurors is having problems with their headset. We are taking afternoon recess. #JodiArias


I bet he faked it
 

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