Greece Greece - Ben Needham, 21 mos, Isle of Kos, 24 July 1991

[Alyce]

Day 17



Tom Ingall ‏@TomIngall 13h13 hours ago

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The search is already longer than expected - looks like it will now go through this coming weekend too...

 

[Mellowmelly]

Thanks Alyce, I've been looking for any news today and couldn't find anything, I'm wondering what will happen if they don't find anything over the weekend? Does it mean the search will be over and Bens family will still have no answers or will they continue the search at a later date ?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thanks Alyce, I've been looking for any news today and couldn't find anything, I'm wondering what will happen if they don't find anything over the weekend? Does it mean the search will be over and Bens family will still have no answers or will they continue the search at a later date ?

I think if nothing is found when searches are complete we will be back to square one.

Clearly the police believe this Dino story, so working on an assumption Dino moved Ben's body somewhere they will have to work out where that might be. I thought they would find him last week, I hate that all this effort might come to nothing and I reckon this is last chance saloon for South Yorks Police.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I think if nothing is found when searches are complete we will be back to square one.

Clearly the police believe this Dino story, so working on an assumption Dino moved Ben's body somewhere they will have to work out where that might be. I thought they would find him last week, I hate that all this effort might come to nothing and I reckon this is last chance saloon for South Yorks Police.

I really hope not for Kerry's sake, half of her life has already been ruined and she deserves to live the rest of it in the knowledge that at least she knows where her son is, even if it's the worst outcome.
I would of thought they'd have found him by now though, if he had been burried where they are searching. You could be right about Dino maybe moved him elsewhere.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I believe it has been said that if anything had been placed in the rubble and later removed the archaeologist they have would be able to tell and all the info coming from them is that nothing had been disturbed over the years?

Also I've seen extracts from Kerry's book Ben and it states in there that building work at Dino's site had stopped for the day which meant they could have lunch undisturbed.

All very confusing and nothing making sense right now. Like others have said this must be awful for Kerry and just wonder what is really going on.

 

[Alyce]

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv Oct 12

Apologies for sound problem on #BenNeedham briefing. Latest 800 tonnes of soil and rubble have been searched through from 2 sites in 16 days

 

[Alyce]

Day 18

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv 2h2 hours ago

Police say more than 70 exhibits now found in search for #BenNeedham and are in talks with #kos prosecutor to remove some from island



Hallam FM News ‏@hallamfmnews 3h3 hours ago

Detectives searching for Ben Needham on Kos now have 70+ items of 'low interest' - some to be sent back to UK for further testing

 

[Alyce]

Thanks Alyce, I've been looking for any news today and couldn't find anything, I'm wondering what will happen if they don't find anything over the weekend? Does it mean the search will be over and Bens family will still have no answers or will they continue the search at a later date ?

I do think this is the last time they will search on Kos - unless they receive any more *very good * leads.

The search seems very thorough and DI Cousins has said several times that he wants to ensure he has covered every possible area that is of interest.

I do wonder though, about that third site, the one that was mentioned by the passer by, who told them Dino also dumped rubble elsewhere. The police visited the site but more or less immediately dismissed it as a place of interest.

 

[Alyce]

Friday October 14 - Day 19


Duncan Wood
‏@duncanwooditv

Day 19 #BenNeedham police say not disappointed to have found nothing and funding in place from home office to continue extended dig on Kos

 

[gregjrichards]

"Police searching for missing toddler Ben Needham have given permission for a farmhouse which was partly demolished to be 'made good' as hopes of solving the mystery fade.

Ben disappeared on the Greek island of Kos 25 years ago and his grandmother, Christine, has admitted 'there was never going to be a fairy tale ending'.

Earlier this week his mother Kerry told how desperate she was for 'closure'."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dmits-no-fairy-tale-ending.html#ixzz4N3zaKPmK


Thanks to everyone for your updates and discussion posts.

 

[Mellowmelly]

"Police searching for missing toddler Ben Needham have given permission for a farmhouse which was partly demolished to be 'made good' as hopes of solving the mystery fade.

Ben disappeared on the Greek island of Kos 25 years ago and his grandmother, Christine, has admitted 'there was never going to be a fairy tale ending'.

Earlier this week his mother Kerry told how desperate she was for 'closure'."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dmits-no-fairy-tale-ending.html#ixzz4N3zaKPmK


Thanks to everyone for your updates and discussion posts.

It seems like hope of finding him is fading :/ poor Kerry. What do they mean by making the farm house good ? Repairing it ?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It seems like hope of finding him is fading :/ poor Kerry. What do they mean by making the farm house good ? Repairing it ?

Yes, putting it back to how it was.

I just can't believe he hasn't been found, I really thought this was it

 

[shadowdancer]

I really thought they would find him too.

I can't help wondering whether Dino or an associate has moved the body - possibly to the sea or even burnt his remains.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

See this sort of language really sticks in my craw:

Det Insp Cousins said there had been an awful lot of 'myth, rumour and legend' surrounding the case

I think it fair to say that the vast majority that know of this case always believed he was abducted (I did) but only since this latest investigation started I looked much deeper into the case and there are a lot of questions and things that have raised my eyebrows. None more so than this highly convenient theory.

To go to this much trouble based on a single witness (that has been proved wrong so far) implicating a man only after he is dead fits the myth and rumour label more accurately right now IMO.

I assume at some point in the next few days there will be a proper PC to explain what they've done and what they plan to do, if anything, in the near future. I really would like a better explanation of what gave them such confidence in the info they basically told Kerry they would find him.

I have some other thoughts about what could be going here but will wait to see what they say at a PC if they decide to leave Kos for now.

I can't help wondering whether Dino or an associate has moved the body - possibly to the sea or even burnt his remains.

I think the archaeologists there would be able to tell if anything had been moved and they haven't indicated that anything had AFAIK?

 

[Ozoner]

In my opinion it's silly to assume that the laborer would have left the body in the same place he was depositing rubble even if he did accidentally kill the boy. He could have buried the body anywhere.

However, I think it is more likely that the boy wandered off and died accidentally due to the uncle's negligence. It's possible that the uncle covered up to death in order to avoid consequences, but it's also possible that the boy ended up somewhere odd and simply wasn't located.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Yes, putting it back to how it was.

I just can't believe he hasn't been found, I really thought this was it

Me too, I thought it might take days of searching but I thought they'd find him by the time the search was over. As someone else has said, Dino could of buried Ben anywhere, so maybe the story of the accident is true but they are looking in the wrong places.
I was also thinking that at 21 months old a baby's bones are still very soft and after 25 years of being burried could it be possible they have completely deteriorated, therefore making the search even harder ? I am no expert but just a thought.
Hoping some of these items of interest they have found could still shed some light on what happened.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Me too, I thought it might take days of searching but I thought they'd find him by the time the search was over. As someone else has said, Dino could of buried Ben anywhere, so maybe the story of the accident is true but they are looking in the wrong places.
I was also thinking that at 21 months old a baby's bones are still very soft and after 25 years of being burried could it be possible they have completely deteriorated, therefore making the search even harder ? I am no expert but just a thought.
Hoping some of these items of interest they have found could still shed some light on what happened.

Yes I think this is why they are having to sift through it manually, and are probably looking for scraps of clothing more than flesh and bones. I guess this is why the sandals thing is so important, it's possibly the only item that might still be in a recognisable piece.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

In my opinion it's silly to assume that the laborer would have left the body in the same place he was depositing rubble even if he did accidentally kill the boy. He could have buried the body anywhere.

However, I think it is more likely that the boy wandered off and died accidentally due to the uncle's negligence. It's possible that the uncle covered up to death in order to avoid consequences, but it's also possible that the boy ended up somewhere odd and simply wasn't located.

I guess it could be possible an accident with the moped happened but with the info related about Stephen's timeline in Kerry's book means he would have to be very cold to perform the actions he did that afternoon.

This is the major problem with SYP's theory of Dino Barkas (although I have to point out again I haven't directly heard them state the theory myself). For it to be true is also saying a lot of the information told in Kerry's book from her own family is wrong. So indirectly SYP are calling them liars with this theory.

So when I read that line from DI Cousins about myth, rumour and legend it really bothered me because I don't think the public have done anything of the sort and wonder who he is aiming that comment at?

 

[Alyce]

In my opinion it's silly to assume that the laborer would have left the body in the same place he was depositing rubble even if he did accidentally kill the boy. He could have buried the body anywhere.

However, I think it is more likely that the boy wandered off and died accidentally due to the uncle's negligence. It's possible that the uncle covered up to death in order to avoid consequences, but it's also possible that the boy ended up somewhere odd and simply wasn't located.

I agree with you re the fact that if there was an accident and someone killed Ben, then they would likely have buried him elsewhere, not in one of the usual areas they used for dumping rubble.

With regard to Stephen. It is on record that a neighbour in a house opposite the farmhouse saw Stephen ride away on his bike and saw Ben still playing on the driveway after Stephen had left. so unlikely that Stephen was involved in any way.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I guess it could be possible an accident with the moped happened but with the info related about Stephen's timeline in Kerry's book means he would have to be very cold to perform the actions he did that afternoon.

This is the major problem with SYP's theory of Dino Barkas (although I have to point out again I haven't directly heard them state the theory myself). For it to be true is also saying a lot of the information told in Kerry's book from her own family is wrong. So indirectly SYP are calling them liars with this theory.

So when I read that line from DI Cousins about myth, rumour and legend it really bothered me because I don't think the public have done anything of the sort and wonder who he is aiming that comment at?

Can you elaborate on this please, TTWO? I haven't read Kerry's book, which parts would be wrong IF Dino did it?