GUILTY Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, British, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 *Appeal filed 2023* #5

[Estelle]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1445552131927261199

Caroline on B's phone video from MSM

Is that a cat in the video?

 

[Dotta]

Is that a cat in the video?

Yes, it seems he is a star of it, not his wife!

 

[Dotta]

What does "leaf and feather" mean?

That is the question haha
I just skim through the texts quickly, not paying attention to "unfortunate" and other expressions so richly used by the Press.
It must be a kind of idiom translated verbatim.

 

[Dotta]

His preoccupation with cats is interesting.
Once I thought him kissing a cat was for TV cameras only.
Now Im not so sure.
It indicates he is human with emotions, not a cold psychopath.

 

[Tortoise]

What does "leaf and feather" mean?

I put "greek idioms φύλλο και φτερό " into my search bar and this is what it turned up



κάνω φύλλο και φτερό in English - Greek-English Dictionary | Glosbe

I think it means they are looking at every photo to find clues.

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τώρα μετάνιωσε ο δολοφόνος της Καρολάιν, δεν θέλει δικαστική διαμάχη για τη Λυδία

B about the custody of the baby

 

[Estelle]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τώρα μετάνιωσε ο δολοφόνος της Καρολάιν, δεν θέλει δικαστική διαμάχη για τη Λυδία

B about the custody of the baby

B's parents have moved to the island to be near baby L.

 

[Skigh]

Murdered Caroline Crouch's parents win full custody of her toddler Lydia | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dotta]

Murdered Caroline Crouch's parents win full custody of her toddler Lydia | Daily Mail Online

Wow! The Daily Mail set up a Fund for the little girl to secure her financial future.
How thoughtful!

 

[Marg from Oz]

I'm glad that is all over with and there is no visitation with her father. Now my best wishes that Caroline's parents live a long and healthy life.

 

[Skigh]

Wow! The Daily Mail set up a Fund for the little girl to secure her financial future.
How thoughtful!

I am not sure why she needs a fund as Caroline's parents do not sound impoverished. B's parents also appear to be financially comfortable.

 

[Dotta]

I am not sure why she needs a fund as Caroline's parents do not sound impoverished. B's parents also appear to be financially comfortable.

I remember C's father worrying about the baby's future. It was he who was talking about the Fund.
DM obviously helped him to organise it.

 

[Dotta]

Συγκλονισμένοι φίλοι και συγγενείς της Καρολάιν - Τι θα υποστηρίξει ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος στη δίκη (vid)
People from the island A talk

 

[Estelle]

"Everyone is a tragic person"
"In this drama, all the faces are tragic. With more tragic the dead Caroline. Second is the little Lydia and is followed by all the people of the close environment from all sides. The mother of the 33-year-old pilot is a rare case of a man and a mother. She raised her children while she was in pre-adolescence and adolescence in Alonissos in a correct and peaceful way "

"She is now in the tragic position of the killer's mother. What is this mother to blame? They were not interested in claiming Lydia's custody and for no reason would they want to disturb the peace and quiet of little Lydia. "

A friend of Caroline's family confesses: "The whole island knew his love for Caroline. At first we said he was big for her and we were wary of the age difference. Then we saw how much he is in love and we said that she is lucky to have found this lad "

Συγκλονισμένοι φίλοι και συγγενείς της Καρολάιν - Τι θα υποστηρίξει ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος στη δίκη (vid)

DBM Does this mean that B's mother was a teenager when she gave birth to B?

 

[Estelle]

Glyka Nera - "We only saw the wrapper of the relationship"

He adds that " but we saw the wrapper of this relationship, only they themselves knew what was really happening. We did not know we had no idea. We knew a very happy couple and we envied them in a good way. Caroline stopped kickboxing classes because he asked her to. We believe he was manipulative towards her "

He concluded by saying that when the pilot confessed to the crime we all fell from the clouds. "All those who supported him felt exposed and betrayed"

While a friend of his mother, who confesses to murder, states: “Usually the pilot's parents do not go out. They got old before their time. I told her that everything will be overcome, and she replied "Things are difficult, unfortunately they will never be overcome. I have heard that only his mother has visited the pilot in prison, his father did not accept him, I do not know why "

Συγκλονισμένοι φίλοι και συγγενείς της Καρολάιν - Τι θα υποστηρίξει ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος στη δίκη (vid)

DBM I love the expression, "We only saw the wrapper of the relationship"! It is very appropriate.

Now we learn that B's father did not accept him and his mother is the one who has visited him in prison.

 

[Estelle]

Glyka Nera - "It was not pre-planned" says the lawyer of the confessed murderer

Speaking at the same station his lawyer Babi Anagnostopoulou, A. Papaioannidis, noted that Babis has frequent telephone communication with his parents.

"He is ready to face the consequences of his actions. It was neither pre-planned nor motivated. "It was something that happened that fateful night."

As for little Lydia, she stated that “the relations are harmonious between the two families. There is no issue of litigation. They respect to the fullest what the prosecutor had set "

Συγκλονισμένοι φίλοι και συγγενείς της Καρολάιν - Τι θα υποστηρίξει ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος στη δίκη (vid)

DBM I predict that LE has found evidence that this crime was premeditated.

 

[Estelle]

I remember C's father worrying about the baby's future. It was he who was talking about the Fund.
DM obviously helped him to organise it.

The main concern IMO would be the ages of L's grandparents. I wonder who L's godparents are?

 

[Dotta]

So only mother visited him in prison. And father disowned him.
They are ashamed and devastated - hardly ever leave the house.
This case is tragic on so many levels

 

[Dotta]

The main concern IMO would be the ages of L's grandparents. I wonder who L's godparents are?

Caroline's friends from the island A.

 

[Estelle]

Brit mum Caroline Crouch killed by husband 'after discovering he was smuggling drugs'

Caroline Crouch killed by husband 'after discovering he was smuggling drugs'