Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[Dotta]

media interview between newspersons, a journalist, and LE

0:55 the journalist says to the newspersons that there was a difference of opinion between B&C over the purchase of the plot of land (which according to other reporting was bought with the intention to build upon) . . . as the plot was purchased in a region which is very isolated*
2:00 the newsman says that his understanding is that the contract/deed was signed 2 or 3 days before the murder and the journalist confirms this
2:45 the newswoman asks LE if the rumors of bleach being used to clean the crime scene are true. LE neither confirms nor denies this, but talks in generalities about how LE is on top of the case.
3:53 the newsman asks LE if EM was summoned to Greece's "Scotland Yard" as a POI in CC's murder case or because of the potential crime of falsely portraying herself as a psychologist. LE says he can't comment on that, and speaks in generalities.

*isolated: also meaning secluded, lonely, cut-off

Thank you for translating! I counted on you

 

[Dotta]

1:00 the journalist says, in regard to the "difference of opinion" between B&C, that C didn't approve of/agree to (this very isolated location)

Even more isolated than Glyka Nera??? Hmmm. So sth is up with this "bleach" matter - maybe it wasn't a figure of speech after all. But Im curious how the journalist knew about this disagreement between C and B. Leaks from family?

 

[Kemug]

Maybe the "psychologist" knew all about this disagreement, and leaked it to anyone who would listen. She's not exactly "the soul of discretion."

 

[everybodhi]

Maybe the "psychologist" knew all about this disagreement, and leaked it to anyone who would listen. She's not exactly "the soul of discretion."

Could be, only friends, family, or her therapist would know that. jmo
Her husband could have complained to someone about her disagreeing with his choice, as well, some friend who wasn’t confident he was right. jmo

 

[catchingdelivery]

0:55 the journalist says to the newspersons that there was a difference of opinion between B&C over the purchase of the plot of land (which according to other reporting was bought with the intention to build upon) . . . as the plot was purchased in a region which is very isolated*
2:00 the newsman says that his understanding is that the contract/deed was signed 2 or 3 days before the murder and the journalist confirms this

(Snipped by me)

Is this plot of land a different place to the house they were in when CC was murdered?

 

[everybodhi]

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Is this plot of land a different place to the house they were in when CC was murdered?

Yes, the plot of land is where they were building a house and why they had lots of cash in the home where the murder took place. The killer/burglars expected more cash but they had already paid the contractor, that is allegedly why she was killed, because the thieves thought they were hiding more cash.
Apparently in Greece building contractors want cash and not a bank check or transfer.

 

[Tortoise]

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Yes, the plot of land is where they were building a house and why they had lots of cash in the home where the murder took place. The killer/burglars expected more cash but they had already paid the contractor, that is allegedly why she was killed, because the thieves thought they were hiding more cash.
Apparently in Greece building contractors want cash and not a bank check or transfer.

I think I would say allegedly had lots of cash in the home. JMO

 

[Lola68]

Ο κοντός πήγε πάνω στη γυναίκα μου, τη γύρισε μπρούμυτα με μια απότομη λαβή και της γύρισε το κεφάλι προς το στρώμα ή το μαξιλάρι.
The short one got on top of my wife, turned her on to her stomach with an abrupt/sudden hold/lock* and turned her head (face down) to the sheet or pillow.

*hold/lock: an athletic type of grip, like used in wrestling, martial arts, etc.

(my translation) /end of translation

This article quotes leaks of what B supposedly stated to police. I'm not saying this report is accurate, but noting here that this suggests that CC was murdered while face down (and possibly into a pillow).

Earlier in the (first) thread I speculated that, if one were considering the hypothetical scenario where there was no struggle (to account for no DNA on her nails), then it was possible that CC was attacked while asleep, and suggested that she might have been suffocated face down into a pillow. JMO

This account sounds like they killed C straight away (which would align with the recently released time of death but not B's original statement). I'm pretty sure in the early reports B said they were both crying/screaming/pleading for their lives, and that he didn't see what happened because he was facing the wall but suddenly his wife went quiet. JIMO

Of course this could be misreporting by MSM - can anyone recall if this was a second-hand report or what B said when first interviewed by reporters within 24 hours?

 

[Lola68]

This account sounds like they killed C straight away (which would align with the recently released time of death but not B's original statement). I'm pretty sure in the early reports B said they were both crying/screaming/pleading for their lives, and that he didn't see what happened because he was facing the wall but suddenly his wife went quiet. JIMO

Of course this could be misreporting by MSM - can anyone recall if this was a second-hand report or what B said when first interviewed by reporters within 24 hours?

Found the report:

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

“I told them where I had hidden the money so that the torment could end quickly. I heard my wife constantly screaming for help tied to the bed. We both screamed not to hurt us. The baby was crying, my wife was crying as they were searching the house for money and jewelry,” the distraught man told police.

“Suddenly they left the room and then I stopped hearing my wife’s voice,” Anagnostopoulos said.

Can someone confirm whether B actually says this in the video or if it's just a report of what he said to police?

 

[jenn83]

Found the report:

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

“I told them where I had hidden the money so that the torment could end quickly. I heard my wife constantly screaming for help tied to the bed. We both screamed not to hurt us. The baby was crying, my wife was crying as they were searching the house for money and jewelry,” the distraught man told police.

“Suddenly they left the room and then I stopped hearing my wife’s voice,” Anagnostopoulos said.

Can someone confirm whether B actually says this in the video or if it's just a report of what he said to police?

And again I ask, how could the neighbor not hear all this if it actually happened?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

So far there seems to be a myriad accounts of what happened and what room they were in and if they were all in the same room or not.

 

[Winterbells]

Found the report:

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

“I told them where I had hidden the money so that the torment could end quickly. I heard my wife constantly screaming for help tied to the bed. We both screamed not to hurt us. The baby was crying, my wife was crying as they were searching the house for money and jewelry,” the distraught man told police.

“Suddenly they left the room and then I stopped hearing my wife’s voice,” Anagnostopoulos said.

Can someone confirm whether B actually says this in the video or if it's just a report of what he said to police?

I agree, it would be good to know whether these words have come directly from B's mouth. I've only seen him being interviewed twice by the press. I believe this is the first interview and my recollection is that although he appears to be keen to get away from the journalists and into his car, he gets back out to talk about how he hopes this won't ever happen to another family and that he's confident the police will catch the perps.
Then there's another interview, which I can't find, where he's looking upset and covering his face with his hands. No idea what he's saying in that one.

 

[Winterbells]

So far there seems to be a myriad accounts of what happened and what room they were in and if they were all in the same room or not.

Indeed.
Early reports said B was tied up downstairs in the 'basement' (some said 'to a chair' others said 'to' or 'on' the floor) whilst CC was 'tortured' for 'an hour' in an upstairs room before being 'strangled to death'.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Could be, only friends, family, or her therapist would know that. jmo
Her husband could have complained to someone about her disagreeing with his choice, as well, some friend who wasn’t confident he was right. jmo

At the start of the interview the journalist says he was "speaking to people who know B very well."

 

[MsBetsy]

Indeed.
Early reports said B was tied up downstairs in the 'basement' (some said 'to a chair' others said 'to' or 'on' the floor) whilst CC was 'tortured' for 'an hour' in an upstairs room before being 'strangled to death'.

Yes, in the Daily Mail article posted in the beginning they quote him as saying he rushed upstairs to the attic to find his wife facedown on the floor.

This is such a tragic and bizarre case. It sounds like a movie plot but at this point is still a mystery. It's a strange coincidence that the other pilot instructor had a similar experience. I don't know what to make of the hypnotherapist. If she's really providing useful information to LE, I dont know why they wouldn't tell her not to talk to the media. Maybe they have by now.

I hope investigators can solve this case. Three burglars in the home for an hour and they managed not to leave a trace of DNA behind? They weren't wearing masks and left the husband alive to identify them? They must be very confident they won't get caught.

 

[Patrick Jane]

I agree, it would be good to know whether these words have come directly from B's mouth. I've only seen him being interviewed twice by the press. I believe this is the first interview and my recollection is that although he appears to be keen to get away from the journalists and into his car, he gets back out to talk about how he hopes this won't ever happen to another family and that he's confident the police will catch the perps.
Then there's another interview, which I can't find, where he's looking upset and covering his face with his hands. No idea what he's saying in that one.

He hasn't talked directly to the press about details of what happened. Things we read in the MSM are mash-up of LE statements and leaks about what B supposedly said to LE. We don't know if B's statements have changed or if media reports are inaccurate because it's like the "telephone game" (aka "Chinese whispers").

 

[tayaway]

He hasn't talked directly to the press about details of what happened. Things we read in the MSM are mash-up of LE statements and leaks about what B supposedly said to LE. We don't know if B's statements have changed or if media reports are inaccurate because it's like the "telephone game" (aka "Chinese whispers").

So who knows what he's actually said in his official statement.

...Let's avoid racist slang.

 

[Winterbells]

It's a strange coincidence that the other pilot instructor had a similar experience. I don't know what to make of the hypnotherapist.

(snipped by me for focus)
It is a very strange coincidence.
And even more strange that the police didn't find any leads on that case either.

As for the 'therapist' - I think there are plenty of fake therapists in the world, exploiting vulnerable people, and she could well be one of them. B and C probably believed that she was a genuine expert - after all, she's got hundreds of 'certificates' plastered all over her walls - and put their trust in her. The blabbing to the press does suggest dubious morals and principles. If she is involved, then I assume the police are looking into her financial affairs and who she's connected with. I mean, unlikely as it sounds, I guess she could be some sort of crime lord(ess) who gets her thugs to steal money from her cash rich 'clients'.

 

[Patrick Jane]

I don't know what to make of the hypnotherapist. If she's really providing useful information to LE, I dont know why they wouldn't tell her not to talk to the media. Maybe they have by now.

(snipped by me for focus)

EM has now lawyered up and been summoned to Greece's "Scotland Yard." I think LE let her talk because they were figuratively "giving her enough rope to hang herself."

 

[Winterbells]

He hasn't talked directly to the press about details of what happened. Things we read in the MSM are mash-up of LE statements and leaks about what B supposedly said to LE. We don't know if B's statements have changed or if media reports are inaccurate because it's like the "telephone game" (aka "Chinese whispers").

Mash-up, yes. Hence the confusion and inconsistency.