Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[tayaway]

Is it racist though? The name comes from 18th century and is connected with Orientalism fascination

Yes it is, it's quite offensive, it's a western stereotype of Chinese people talking secretive gibberish. 'Oriental fascination' is also a racist trope, just like 'exoticism'. The reality is that Chinese peoples suffered horrific atrocities at the hands of western colonizers during that period, and much like First Nations, they were seen and treated as second class citizens. Again, let's just avoid tired old racist crap altogether.

 

[Winterbells]

Moving swiftly on...
Imagine going to the trouble of completing all those half-baked courses online and printing out all those certificates to frame on your wall, and pretending to be a psychologist/hypnotherapist/fertility specialist/cancer curer or whatever she claimed to be...
Where would anyone get the energy to do all that? and to go through the motions of having a client base, engaging in all the mumbo jumbo (hope that expression doesn't have racist roots... I have a feeling it does, and for that I apologise) - what on earth is the motive for all this effort and work? Money, obviously, but surely it would have been easier to just do the damn training in a legitimate manner.

 

[Dotta]

Yes it is, it's quite offensive, it's a western stereotype of Chinese people talking secretive gibberish. 'Oriental fascination' is also a racist trope, just like 'exoticism'. The reality is that Chinese peoples suffered horrific atrocities at the hands of western colonizers during that period, and much like First Nations, they were seen and treated as second class citizens. Again, let's just avoid tired old racist crap altogether.

Thank you for explaining

 

[Winterbells]

Yes it is, it's quite offensive, it's a western stereotype of Chinese people talking secretive gibberish. 'Oriental fascination' is also a racist trope, just like 'exoticism'. The reality is that Chinese peoples suffered horrific atrocities at the hands of western colonizers during that period, and much like First Nations, they were seen and treated as second class citizens. Again, let's just avoid tired old racist crap altogether.

Oh, I thought the 'game' to which we are referring was all about passing on whispered messages so that by the end, it's a completely alien message (as alien as the Chinese language is to the game players). 'Send three and fourpence we're going to a dance' was the joke ending of such a game during WW2, when the original message was meant to be ' send reinforcements, we're going to advance'.

edited to explain that 'three and fourpence' refers to pre-decimalised UK money i.e. three shillings and four pence.

 

[tayaway]

Moving swiftly on...
Imagine going to the trouble of completing all those half-baked courses online and printing out all those certificates to frame on your wall, and pretending to be a psychologist/hypnotherapist/fertility specialist/cancer curer or whatever she claimed to be...
Where would anyone get the energy to do all that? and to go through the motions of having a client base, engaging in all the mumbo jumbo (hope that expression doesn't have racist roots... I have a feeling it does, and for that I apologise) - what on earth is the motive for all this effort and work? Money, obviously, but surely it would have been easier to just do the damn training in a legitimate manner.

Since she's a POI, LE must be combing through all that. We know her membership to the Greek Freemasons (eta, it's Freemasons, not Masons, sorry) was revoked for falsely presenting herself as a doctor in 2018. Are there clients out there that have sued her or that she's bilked money out of? As a POI in C's murder case, could she be part of the gang, as others have noted?

 

[Winterbells]

Since she's a POI, LE must be combing through all that. We know her membership to the Greek Masons was revoked for falsely presenting herself as a doctor in 2018. Are there clients out there that have sued her or that she's bilked money out of? As a POI in C's murder case, could she be part of the gang, as others have noted?

Indeed.
Plus, I'm a bit confused about the Greek Masons. I need to google this, but I'm unsure what the term means (i.e. anything to do with Freemasons?).

 

[Dotta]

Moving swiftly on...
Imagine going to the trouble of completing all those half-baked courses online and printing out all those certificates to frame on your wall, and pretending to be a psychologist/hypnotherapist/fertility specialist/cancer curer or whatever she claimed to be...
Where would anyone get the energy to do all that? and to go through the motions of having a client base, engaging in all the mumbo jumbo (hope that expression doesn't have racist roots... I have a feeling it does, and for that I apologise) - what on earth is the motive for all this effort and work? Money, obviously, but surely it would have been easier to just do the damn training in a legitimate manner.

Oh and dont forget European Union parliamentary elections she took part in haha

 

[Winterbells]

Oh and dont forget European Union parliamentary elections she took part in haha

Yes. Power hungry or what?

 

[tayaway]

Indeed.
Plus, I'm a bit confused about the Greek Masons. I need to google this, but I'm unsure what the term means (i.e. anything to do with Freemasons?).

Oh man, it's Greek Freemasons, not Masons, I've edited it to avoid more confusion. eta: Apparently they go by 'Masons' as well. I know a bit about some of the history of the org in North America, but I don't know anything at all about European branches.

 

[Winterbells]

Oh man, it's Greek Freemasons, not Masons, I've edited it to avoid more confusion.

It's fine
But what have the Freemasons got to do with the medical profession in Greece, I ask myself.

 

[Dotta]

Since she's a POI, LE must be combing through all that. We know her membership to the Greek Freemasons (eta, it's Freemasons, not Masons, sorry) was revoked for falsely presenting herself as a doctor in 2018. Are there clients out there that have sued her or that she's bilked money out of? As a POI in C's murder case, could she be part of the gang, as others have noted?

I wouldn't mix FreeMasons into that mix - it is also offensive They threw her out for being a fraud

 

[DeLu]

I agree, it would be good to know whether these words have come directly from B's mouth. I've only seen him being interviewed twice by the press. I believe this is the first interview and my recollection is that although he appears to be keen to get away from the journalists and into his car, he gets back out to talk about how he hopes this won't ever happen to another family and that he's confident the police will catch the perps.
Then there's another interview, which I can't find, where he's looking upset and covering his face with his hands. No idea what he's saying in that one.

Hello everyone! I'm from Greece and I have been reading your thread for the past couple of days. Nobody can tell if everything is mashed-up from the media or if B gives different statements or if this is a tactic from LE. Anyway, this is the translation from the first, I think, public video-interview of B. I will try to keep up with the thread in order to help out with translations if needed.

0:00 - 0:13
No sound

0:13-0:16
B: Police has it all, guys.
R: What did the police told you?
B: Police has it all.

0:16-0:30
R: What do you mean by police has it all?
B: All the evidence. Any.. They work from morning until night. And they are.. Right now as we speak and the past three days we were together. They work all day, all night, all day. The homicide police department.

0:30-0:37
R: Is there any progress in research?
B: Ιf anyone could find them, it's these guys (the people from the homicide department). They are there (working) from day until night.

0:37-0:42
R: Now, after a few days that the first shock has passed, have you realized what has happened?
B: The first shock has not passed yet.
R: It has not passed?
B: No.

0:42-0:52
UK R: Do you have something to say to the UK (indistinct)? They are very upset about what happened to Caroline.
B: Not, not, not more then me.
UK R: I'm sure you are sir. Please accept our condolences.
B: Thank you.

0:52-1:15
R: Do you believe that the police has evidence in their hands? Do they conclude something?
B: The police has.., we have as much evidence as could be gathered. And every day and at this moment there are 10-15-20 people on the streets searching. That's all I know. They are every day, all the time in contact with me. I have help them as much as I can. Ιf anyone could find them, it's these guys.

1:15-1:31
R: Were they so cruel? Did they not respond to your entreaties - to what you said to them?
B: Guys-guys -guys, they tied us up and from this point forward -no-.. we had already told them, were the money was... I can't, I don't know.

1:31-1:42
R: You were the one who managed to make the call?
Β: (nods his head affirmatively)
R: When did you realized that your wife was not alive?
B: Ah, when I was released by the police. When, the police men came inside and they released me, and they took the bundles out of my head.

1:42-1:52
R: And your daughter?
B: Fortunately my daughter has not been hit. She went to the hospital precautionarily and.. fortunately she is fine.
R: Thank you very much. Babi, our condolences. Our condolences.

1:52-1:59
R: Do you have a message? Do you have a message you want to send?
Β: Guys, I'm sorry. I'm, I'm not at all well.

1:59-2:11
R: There is a reward for information. Do you please anybody, who knows something to come forward?
Β: Αnyone who knows something I'm sure he is doing so (gives information) already. Whoever knows, whoever sees something.. eh, I'm sure he will run (to give the info to the police). We have received a lot of love from all people. But..

2:11-2:17
R: Do you have people by your side?
B: I have a lot of people by my side. I have a lot and our daughter has also.

2:17-2:21
R: Ok, thank you.
B: Thank you, guys.

 

[tayaway]

I wouldn't mix FreeMasons into that mix - it is also offenisve They threw her out for being a fraud

I'm confused. We're talking about the Greek Freemasons aka the Masons aka National Grand Lodge of Greece.

eta: To be clear, I wasn't associating the org with any of EM's actions. When referring to 'clients', I meant her private 'practice.'

 

[Dotta]

I'm confused. We're talking about the Greek Freemasons aka the Masons aka National Grand Lodge of Greece.

Do you suggest that legal organization of Masons dipped their fingers in this crime?? Why mention them? If she was once a part of them, they quickly said Good Riddance to her when they found out she was a fraud.

 

[tayaway]

Do you suggest that legal organization of Masons dipped their fingers in this crime?? Why mention them? If she was once a part of them, they quickly said Good Riddance to her when they found ot she was a fraud.

No, I'm using them as an example of an org that ditched her for previous fraudulent behavior. So it's my assumption that LE will find other orgs or people who have been tricked by her.

 

[Tortoise]

Welcome @DeLu ! Thank you very much for the translation.

Between yourself, @caylee17799 and @Patrick Jane we can hopefully spread the workload.

 

[Dotta]

No, I'm using them as an example of an org that ditched her for previous fraudulent behavior. So it's my assumption that LE will find other other orgs or people who have been tricked by her.

Oh OK - matter cleared

 

[Lola68]

Hello everyone! I'm from Greece and I have been reading your thread for the past couple of days. Nobody can tell if everything is mashed-up from the media or if B gives different statements or if this is a tactic from LE. Anyway, this is the translation from the first, I think, public video-interview of B. I will try to keep up with the thread in order to help out with translations if needed.

Thank you DeLu! I thought this video was the first interview B gave but can't find a timestamp. Please could you translate it when you get a chance?

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

 

[Lola68]

Hello everyone! I'm from Greece and I have been reading your thread for the past couple of days. Nobody can tell if everything is mashed-up from the media or if B gives different statements or if this is a tactic from LE. Anyway, this is the translation from the first, I think, public video-interview of B. I will try to keep up with the thread in order to help out with translations if needed.

Thank you DeLu! I thought this video was the first interview B gave but can't find a timestamp. Please could you translate it when you get a chance?

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

 

[DeLu]

Thank you DeLu! I thought this video was the first interview B gave but can't find a timestamp. Please could you translate it when you get a chance?

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

Hi! I wrote the translation of the video in my previous comment right under the video. Does it not show up? If so, I will repost the translation