Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[DeLu]

In greek, we ussually don't use personal pronouns when the person we are referring to is known to the listener. And if there is no adjectives in those sentences, there is no way to understand if the person is a he or a she. That's why the use of the word 'he' in the automated translation is an error, and it should be 'she'. E.g. "she is going home" in greek is "παει σπιτι" (goes home).

 

[tayaway]

I have found the translation apps often refer to women as “he” in Greek translations, having people here to clear up the automated translations has been really helpful.
As far as her claim that she actually meant she is a midwife rather than a gynecologist, I hope she has her papers in order as the practice of midwifery is regulated in both EU and Greece, like any other medical profession.

Don't worry, she's got papers for everything! Seriously, though, Greece must have a governing body of midwives which can verify whether she does or not.

 

[Lola68]

B gave the therapist consent to appear in the media according to article above.

This is interesting (if true) because an earlier report - I think about the Light in the Tunnel episode (?) - quoted him as being annoyed/angry that the psychologist could provide anything useful to the investigation into the robbery. I'll try to find it and repost

 

[Lola68]

This is interesting (if true) because an earlier report - I think about the Light in the Tunnel episode (?) - quoted him as being annoyed/angry that the psychologist could provide anything useful to the investigation into the robbery. I'll try to find it and repost

Γλυκά Νερά: Με έχουν κουράσει οι ανεδαφικές εικασίες, λέει ο σύζυγος της Καρολάιν - ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

"For the psychologist I saw with my wife after the birth, it is really questionable who thought she could have helped investigate the robbery. The psychologist has nothing to do with research. "When he is called at some point, however, he will be under pressure from the media and will simply delay the investigation for no reason," he said.

"Personally, I hope the psychologist testifies quickly because I am tired of anything unrelated to the case coming out as news and everyone making assumptions without contact with reality"

 

[Winterbells]

This is interesting (if true) because an earlier report - I think about the Light in the Tunnel episode (?) - quoted him as being annoyed/angry that the psychologist could provide anything useful to the investigation into the robbery. I'll try to find it and repost

I kind of remember this too, although the impression I got from what B allegedly said, was along the lines of 'nothing to see here, the police have had the info they need from the 'psychotherapist', it's just the news media trying to make a story where there isn't a story'.... kind of thing.
If I'm remembering this accurately, it's quite similar to his two interviews with the journalists, where he seems to say 'the police have everything' several times. Not sure what the purpose of these utterances are really. One would imagine if the police have everything, then the case is solved, right? He could be cynical about the press (or realistic in fact) and is perhaps he's trying to impress upon the journalists that any info he has, he's given to the police and he doesn't have anything to say to them that will serve their needs (ie. to sell their articles).

edited to say I posted this just as @Lola68 posted the quote from B.

 

[Winterbells]

Glyka Nera: New statement from the 32-year-old pilot – What he said about the “psychologist”
June 9, 2021 Politics 6 Views

Developments in the case of the murder of 20-year-old Caroline in Glyka Nera are rapid and the unfortunate girl’s husband makes a new statement to the police.

According to the MEGA report, the 32-year-old pilot’s testimony this time concerned the subject of the “psychologist” Eleni Mylonopoulou, who has been in the limelight in the last few days and not the murder of his wife.

According to the police editor of the newspapers “To Vima” and “Ta Nea”, Vassilis Lambropoulos, the 32-year-old pilot went to the Greek police prosecutor’s office for financial crime today to make a statement to the police.

The authorities called the tragic husband to answer their questions about the actions of the “psychologist”

; Eleni Mylonopoulou, who was portrayed as something different from what she really was.
The advice he gave them was “important”
According to the information, the 32-year-old claimed the couple had 8 sessions with Ms. Mylonopoulou and even described the advice she received as “important” about the problem Caroline faced with her pregnancy.

The 32-year-old pilot also said that he spoke to the “psychologist” two 24 hours after the tragic event when he called him to express his condolences, noting that he had given her permission to talk to the media speak.

After all, according to police sources, Ms. Mylonopoulou’s dismissal had to do with financial problems and not with her non-existent degrees, as reported in the Great Stoa of Greece.

Glyka Nera: New statement from the 32-year-old pilot – What he said about the “psychologist”

 

[Winterbells]

The 32-year-old pilot also said that he spoke to the “psychologist” two 24 hours after the tragic event when he called him to express his condolences, noting that he had given her permission to talk to the media speak.

Personal pronouns are confusing matters here a little.
Could this be 'noting that SHE had given her permission (to him) to talk to the media' (i.e. she gave him her permission to talk to the media about CC's and his visits to see her?)

Did that make any sense?

We need our Greek speakers to help us pleeeeeease.
There's only one 'her' and the rest are all 'he'/'his'... so it's hardddd

 

[Winterbells]

If I omit all the personal pronouns, it reads like this:

The 32-year-old pilot also said that spoke to the “psychologist” two 24 hours after the tragic event when called to express condolences, noting that had given permission to talk to the media speak.

Now it sounds to me like SHE, (the subject of the sentence) who called him, gave permission to talk to the media.

 

[DeLu]

Personal pronouns are confusing matters here a little.
Could this be 'noting that SHE had given her permission (to him) to talk to the media' (i.e. she gave him her permission to talk to the media about CC's and his visits to see her?)

Did that make any sense?

We need our Greek speakers to help us pleeeeeease.
There's only one 'her' and the rest are all 'he'/'his'... so it's hardddd

Its HE (B) had given her (EM) permission to talk to the media'

 

[MsBetsy]

This is interesting (if true) because an earlier report - I think about the Light in the Tunnel episode (?) - quoted him as being annoyed/angry that the psychologist could provide anything useful to the investigation into the robbery. I'll try to find it and repost

Yes, in an earlier article he seemed dismissive of what she had to say. When he testified he was probably asked questions about her claim that she could break confidentiality. When they spoke on the phone she may have asked if she could speak to the media and he said yes.

Then after he heard what she said he became annoyed. He seems very confident that LE will find the perpetrators so maybe he didn't approve of her revealing so many details. Imo

 

[tayaway]

It might be that Babis has the type of personality or belief that he must control the narrative and so maybe he dismissed EM's comments if she strayed from what he expected her to say. Regardless, does he even have any legal say in whether EM could break C's confidentiality?

 

[MsBetsy]

Personal pronouns are confusing matters here a little.
Could this be 'noting that SHE had given her permission (to him) to talk to the media' (i.e. she gave him her permission to talk to the media about CC's and his visits to see her?)

Did that make any sense?

We need our Greek speakers to help us pleeeeeease.
There's only one 'her' and the rest are all 'he'/'his'... so it's hardddd

That might make sense if he didn't know if she was a licensed or legitimate therapist. He wouldn't need permission from her to say that they had been going to therapy to prepare for the birth of their child, but maybe she gave him permission to use her name? Idk. It's very confusing.

 

[MsBetsy]

It might be that Babis has the type of personality or belief that he must control the narrative and so maybe he dismissed EM's comments if she strayed from the script. Regardless, does he even have any legal say in whether EM could break C's confidentiality?

No, he wouldn't have any legal say, but what I meant was that they may have asked him if it was true that he gave her permission to speak to the media, and if he did, he would have had to answer, yes.

They are trying to determine whether or not she acted appropriately or had the proper license to act as a therapist, not him. They are investigating her for fraud.

If she has been helpful in providing details to LE, that's a good thing, but she should not be sharing those details with the media. That may be why the husband was angry with her. Imo

 

[tayaway]

No, he wouldn't have any legal say, but what I meant was that they may have asked him if it was true that he gave her permission to speak to the media, and if he did, he would have had to answer, yes.

They are trying to determine whether or not she acted appropriately or had the proper license to act as a therapist, not him. They are investigating her for fraud.

If she has been helpful in providing details to LE, that's a good thing, but she should not be sharing those details with the media. That may be why the husband was angry with her. Imo

Neither one of them had the legal right to share any info from C's sessions with people other than LE. I wonder, is LE looking to charge her with both fraud for impersonating a psychologist, and, breach of confidentiality?

 

[Dotta]

If I omit all the personal pronouns, it reads like this:

The 32-year-old pilot also said that spoke to the “psychologist” two 24 hours after the tragic event when called to express condolences, noting that had given permission to talk to the media speak.

Now it sounds to me like SHE, (the subject of the sentence) who called him, gave permission to talk to the media.

But I read the Greek twitter and they all were amazed that HE gave permission to HER to talk about his late wife's therapy. And another strange thing: He said he talked to her last time when she called him after the murder (24 hours later) to give her condolences to him. BUT the therapist said that they were in constant communication.

 

[DeLu]

No, he wouldn't have any legal say, but what I meant was that they may have asked him if it was true that he gave her permission to speak to the media, and if he did, he would have had to answer, yes.

They are trying to determine whether or not she acted appropriately or had the proper license to act as a therapist, not him. They are investigating her for fraud.

If she has been helpful in providing details to LE, that's a good thing, but she should not be sharing those details with the media. That may be why the husband was angry with her. Imo

These are exactly my thoughts for the matter.

B gave her permission to speak about his relationship with C. This off course is not legal. No one else other than C can give such a permission. IMO he may have wanted so, because here in Greece people are accusing him directly on social media. The reason is that many things from the case, that people hear from the news, don't add up. He may have thought that the opinion of EM, the so though psychologist, for the matter may have changed people's mind about him and his relationship with C. However this backlashed quickly cause they found out that she was a fraud. And two days later a pilot B (his instructor) comes forward about a "carbon" robbery.

Edit: IMO off course

 

[Dotta]

Neither one of them had the legal right to share any info from C's sessions with people other than LE. I wonder, is LE looking to charge her with both fraud for impersonating a psychologist, and, breach of confidentiality?

Especially as C was a British citizen - does British law
apply to her?

 

[Dotta]

These are exactly my thoughts for the matter.

B gave her permission to speak about his relationship with C. This off course is not legal. No one else other than C can give such a permission. IMO he may have wanted so, because here in Greece people are accusing him directly on social media. The reason is that many things from the case, that people hear from the news, don't add up. He may have thought that the opinion of EM, the so though psychologist, for the matter may have changed people's mind about him and his relationship with C. However this backlashed quickly cause they found out that she was a fraud. And two days later a pilot B (his instructor) comes forward about a "carbon" robbery.

Edit: IMO off course

Exactly! Especially as she praised him as a loving and supportive husband.

 

[MsBetsy]

Neither one of them had the legal right to share any info from C's sessions with people other than LE. I wonder, is LE looking to charge her with both fraud for impersonating a psychologist, and, breach of confidentiality?

Well apparently they were going to her as a couple, so the husband is not really breaching confidentiality. As far as I can tell, he said they were attending to help with the birth of their child, there were problems with the pregnancy, and the advice was helpful. I think he said they went for eight weeks so if it was once a week it was only eight sessions.

I'm not sure what they are looking to charge her with. She's accused of practicing as a therapist without a license. If she's not a legal therapist, the non-disclosure laws may not apply. I think it's more a matter of ethics.

She claims she never said she was a psychologist, and she has the proper training, so she will have to provide proof.

Imo

 

[Dotta]

Well apparently they were going to her as a couple, so the husband is not really breaching confidentiality. As far as I can tell, he said they were attending to help with the birth of their child, there were problems with the pregnancy, and the advice was helpful. I think he said they went for eight weeks so if it was once a week it was only eight sessions.

I'm not sure what they are looking to charge her with. She's accused of practicing as a therapist without a license. If she's not a legal therapist, the non-disclosure laws may not apply. I think it's more a matter of ethics.

She claims she never said she was a psychologist, and she has the proper training, so she will have to provide proof.

Imo

Besides some authority gave her permission to practise, right? She didn’t practise in a clandestine way in her garage but had an office. And she paid taxes.