Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Σφίγγει ο κλοιός για τους δράστες - Τι ερευνά η ΕΛ.ΑΣ - Ειδήσεις - νέα - Το Βήμα Online
New article - questions, but no answers.

 

[tayaway]

Γλυκά Νερά: Σφίγγει ο κλοιός για τους δράστες - Τι ερευνά η ΕΛ.ΑΣ - Ειδήσεις - νέα - Το Βήμα Online
New article - questions, but no answers.

Ha, I beat you to it! (post 663)

 

[Dotta]

Ha, I beat you to it! (post 663)

Good job!

 

[Dotta]

We asked the same questions here on WS, right?

 

[tayaway]

Good job!

Quick birds both catch the latest article!

We asked the same questions here on WS, right?

We sure did!

 

[MsBetsy]

See my post #664 a little way back - it clarifies that she is indeed a POI in connection to CC's murder.

Yes, it says they are continuing to investigate the possibilty of inside information about the "financial situation" of the family, and that this information may have "inadvertently" been given to the perpetrators. I think they are referring to the woman's claim that "Caroline talked a lot about her finances" and this information may have fallen into the wrong hands.

Or it could be that the therapist unintentionally gave someone information to someone connected to the robbers. But if it was inadvertent, that implies that it was not done for nefarious reasons. I guess she could have happened to know one of the men involved but didn't know he was a criminal.

Then it goes on to say, "However, the police prefer the scenario of the random selection of the couple's maissionett in Gyka by the ruthless criminals. Thus they focus on the important data they have already collected."

So it sounds to me like police don't believe inside information was passed to the criminals at all.

Anyway, my original point was that she may be a POI but that doesn't mean she is a suspect in the murder. She definitely is guilty of something, but I think the court is more interested in the fact that she committed fraud and determining whether or not there was a breach in confidentiality when speaking about the case.

Imo

 

[Lola68]

She's not a credible witness. As Winterbells' quote from earlier in the thread above shows, LE are looking into whether she was the source of info for the thieves.

By inference, we should treat her statement about B and C's relationship with equal skepticism

 

[Lola68]

Then it goes on to say, "However, the police prefer the scenario of the random selection of the couple's maissionett in Gyka by the ruthless criminals. Thus they focus on the important data they have already collected."

So it sounds to me like police don't believe inside information was passed to the criminals at all.

In which case, the timing of the burglary - which appears to be within days of the sale going through - is a mighty cooincidence JIMO

 

[MsBetsy]

The Georgian is no longer a POI in C's murder. LE couldn't connect him to it. Is he a suspect in a different murder?

I haven't read that they eliminated him as a suspect. Police said that they were unable to link him to the crime. I don't remember when his next court appearance is but I don't think LE has said anymore about him.

I would assume all of the robberies in the area are still open investigations. They were only able to link him to the case I mentioned earlier, where the three elderly victims were tied up and beaten. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

In which case, the timing of the burglary - which appears to be within days of the sale going through - is a mighty cooincidence JIMO

Yes, apparently the sale went through a few days before the murder. That's why I wondered if he was still planning to build on it.

 

[Dotta]

Police from Cyprus asked for help British Scotland Yard while investigating their 1st serial killer Metaxas and they caught him pretty quickly. In this case C was a British citizen so Greek police could do the same.

 

[MsBetsy]

Police from Cyprus asked for help British Scotland Yard while investigating their 1st serial killer Metaxas and they caught him pretty quickly. In this case C was a British citizen so Greek police could do the same.

Yes, I was wondering about that as well. Are Greek Police required to ask for help or can Scotland Yard take the initiative themselves?

 

[Dotta]

Yes, I was wondering about that as well. Are Greek Police required to ask for help or can Scotland Yard take the initiative themselves?

Required - not. But ask for help - Yes. S Yard cant involve themselves uninvited. Especially after Brexit. MOO

 

[Dotta]

I have a feeling that Police is absolutely fixated on these robbers - invisible or not. Like tunnel vision

 

[MsBetsy]

Required - not. But ask for help - Yes. S Yard cant involve themselves uninvited. Especially after Brexit. MOO

Thanks, that's what I meant. Not that Greece is required to ask, but is their invitation "required" before SY can help. I didn't word that very well.

 

[Dotta]

Thanks, that's what I meant. Not that Greece is required to ask, but is their invitation "required" before SY can help. I didn't word that very well.

Cyprus invited experts from SC Yard. Excellent move, they caught the monster fast!

 

[MsBetsy]

I have a feeling that Police is absolutely fixated on these robbers - invisible or not. Like tunnel vision

I think they have to be, considering all the recent robberies in the area. Some of them have been violent and I'm sure they want to find the perps, whether they are involved in this particular crime or not. I'm curious about how many others there were where no or little evidence was left behind.

If they keep committing similar crimes, they are bound to make a mistake sooner or later.

Would we know if LE has served any more warrants? Would those records be available to the public in Greece?

 

[Dotta]

I think they have to be, considering all the recent robberies in the area. Some of them have been violent and I'm sure they want to find the perps, whether they are involved in this particular crime or not. I'm curious about how many others there were where no or little evidence was left behind.

If they keep committing similar crimes, they are bound to make a mistake sooner or later.

Would we know if LE has served any more warrants? Would those records be available to the public in Greece?

The robberies should have been dealt with earlier - when were committed. Now when this tragic case exploded spectacularly and internationally (thanks to British press) police want to catch all perps of all robberies at once. Well, better late than never.

 

[Lindsay Lou Who]

Vima: LE have questions, including:

* Why are there no signs of struggle on the body or traces of genetic material on the 20-year-old's nails?
* Why did they press her head for four to five minutes while with one or two minutes of pressure she would faint?
* Why didn't they take the couple's cell phones with them or destroy them?...

* Why didn't the perpetrators bring a roll of adhesive tape or other material to tie the tenants?
* Why is only the memory card missing from the home camera?
* Why did the neighbors not hear voices?

Absolutely all of this ☝

 

[MsBetsy]

See post #664

The article also states that the psychologist is a person of interest to El.As (Greek Police)

"EL.AS officers They emphasize that this lady is an "object of investigation" and "is a person who is of interest to the authorities and should be investigated".

Police officers are continuing to investigate the possibility of inside information of the perpetrators of the robbery and murder of 20-year-old Caroline about the financial situation of the family. In this context, they will investigate, if the specific woman had inadvertently given her in some way, relevant information, which may have ended up with the unscrupulous perpetrators."

One reason it's so confusing is because of the wording in the article. They refer to the therapist as "the woman," or "the specific woman," while they refer to Caroline by her name.

"The specific woman, as she has said, has testified to the police, in an attempt to assist in the investigation."

So when they say, "they will investigate whether the 'specific woman' had inadvertently given her in some way, relevant information, which may have have ended up with the unscrupulous perps," it sounds like they are saying the woman gave Caroline information that may have ended up with the perps.

I'm wondering what information the therapist could have given her that would have led to the crime. And how would she accidentally give her the information?

That's why I originally thought they were referring to her claim that Caroline "talked a lot about their finances," since it's mentioned in the same context. It makes sense that police would want to investigate the possibility that someone overheard something, whether from CC or the woman herself.

IMO