Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[MsMiniSleuth]

That fitness tracker she was wearing really helped solve this case, without it he may well have got away with it even if the police did suspect he knew more than he was saying.

 

[Dotta]

There are many mysteries to solve with the Greek language, my friend!

The full name of his first name is Athanasios. The shorter form of his first name is Thanasis.

Athanasius (given name) - Wikipedia
Thanasis - Wikipedia

Thank you! It is a beautiful name

Now - Let Maestro talk
Θανάσης Κατερινόπουλος: «Ήμουν βέβαιος από το πρώτο βράδυ ότι ήταν ο δράστης» | Znews

 

[Skigh]

That fitness tracker she was wearing really helped solve this case, without it he may well have got away with it even if the police did suspect he knew more than he was saying.

The fitness tracker was a bonus,but there was plenty of other evidence to prove his guilt. There is no way he would have got away with it.

 

[Angleterre]

Am I right in thinking it took up to 10 minutes for Carolines heart to flat line after the sudden increase in her pulse?
If so, he can't possibly have been in a fit of uncontrollable rage - he could have stopped at any moment.

Exactly! It can take up to ten minutes for a person to suffocate another. It shouldn’t be underestimated just how difficult it is and how much energy and strength it takes to actually suffocate another to the point of death

 

[caylee17799]

Γλυκά Νερά: Ο θάνατος ήταν αγωνιώδης και όχι ακαριαίος – Τι δείχνει η ιατροδικαστική έκθεση για τη δολοφονία της Καρολάιν
ME: Her death was agonizing and not instantaneous.
"It seems that Babis Anagnostopoulos intended to end her life, as he was smothering her for at least 5-6 minutes, without letting her (go)"

 

[Tortoise]

It wouldn't surprise me if he removed the window before he killed Caroline too. Two and a half hours before the murder he had removed the camera card and destroyed it.

After he completed the murder, he moved on to hanging the dog in 9 minutes, and then had two hours to complete the rest of the staging before he called police.

In two hours he -
thought of everything he now needed to stage and what his story would be, where the money was hidden, what the robbers and their guns looked like, how the robbers had dealt with each of them, how he would use his phone to call out, he wouldn't have time to dream this up after police got there,
tied Caroline's hands behind her
ransacked parts of the house
hid the rings (other jewellery?)
probably deleted his argument/texts with Caroline on her phone and his own over that night and going back many weeks too,
removed the window
moved the baby onto Caroline (for unexplained reasons)
bound his head and tied himself up

It seems to me he raced around completing this with a plan already devised. A window should surely be difficult to remove, and would normally take a workman that amount of time all by itself with a lot of effort to loosen it and break the cement without being able to bang it with a sledgehammer. I don't know, maybe windows are less secure in Greece.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He was a very busy boy during the time he was "tied up".

 

[TootsieFootsie]

No suspicions ?
Not even after the nose dialing ?

I understood that both families were shocked and never suspected anything. In fact, B's family is held in great esteem, both parents are highly educated, mother is a headmistress of high school.

 

[Dotta]

No suspicions ?
Not even after the nose dialing ?

How would I know? I was quoting what was written in the article. But psychologists often talk about "denial" when truth is too unbearable.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He suffocated her while she was asleep ?

The medical examiner notes that C's heart rate indicated she was asleep from 1:41 until B started to suffocate her. Geez Louise, B, why lie when there's all this technology around?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks Dotta. <modsnip>

How would I know? I was quoting what was written in the article. But psychologists often talk about "denial" when truth is too unbearable.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'd like to know who lives in this house in Crete.

When I first heard of it here, it crossed my mind that he rented it for his new girlfriend.

 

[Skigh]

I'd like to know who lives in this house in Crete.

When I first heard of it here, it crossed my mind that he rented it for his new girlfriend.

I am veering towards something to do with criminal activities.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wouldn't your wife being murdered, draw attention to your life.

I would have thought someone involved in a criminal gang or whatever would want to keep them selves under the radar.

 

[Dotta]

Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος: Χαμός με σενάρια για βουλευτές, ανήλικα, μαφία, child grooming. Γιατί πραγματικά σκότωσε την Καρολάιν
Questions, questions

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Oh I see, the bullet proof vest may be because other members of a criminal group may want to stop him from talking.

If true, I would be pretty worried if I was him.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Like I said, that was when I first heard of the house. Before any suggestion of criminal activities.

I am veering towards something to do with criminal activities.

 

[MsBetsy]

He suffocated her while she was asleep ?

That's what it sounds like. Her heart probably gradually slowed down to it's normal resting rate once she fell asleep, then suddenly increased just before she was asphyxiated.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

There could be both a new girlfriend and criminal activities.

One doesn't preclude the other.

 

[Winterbells]

It wouldn't surprise me if he removed the window before he killed Caroline too. Two and a half hours before the murder he had removed the camera card and destroyed it.

After he completed the murder, he moved on to hanging the dog in 9 minutes, and then had two hours to complete the rest of the staging before he called police.

In two hours he -
thought of everything he now needed to stage and what his story would be, where the money was hidden, what the robbers and their guns looked like, how the robbers had dealt with each of them, how he would use his phone to call out, he wouldn't have time to dream this up after police got there,
tied Caroline's hands behind her
ransacked parts of the house
hid the rings (other jewellery?)
probably deleted his argument/texts with Caroline on her phone and his own over that night and going back many weeks too,
removed the window
moved the baby onto Caroline (for unexplained reasons)
bound his head and tied himself up

It seems to me he raced around completing this with a plan already devised. A window should surely be difficult to remove, and would normally take a workman that amount of time all by itself with a lot of effort to loosen it and break the cement without being able to bang it with a sledgehammer. I don't know, maybe windows are less secure in Greece.

Yeah, I think formulating this plan had been an ongoing project in his mind since before he’d killed Caroline.
To kill and then kill again (the dog), acts which required such merciless determination, makes me think this guy is seriously disturbed as well as dangerous. I’m surprised he hasn’t killed himself now he’s been unmasked, since he finds it so easy to end the lives of others.