Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[tayaway]

I wonder if part of her diagnosis included bloodwork. Sometimes hormonal issues can be due to thyroid problems. Didn't she say something in her diary about her hormones causing her to be angry even before the pregnancy?

Did the fake psychologist have the legal authority to order bloodwork?

 

[Dotta]

I wonder if part of her diagnosis included bloodwork. Sometimes hormonal issues can be due to thyroid problems. Didn't she say something in her diary about her hormones causing her to be angry even before the pregnancy?

But remember that she was in her 2nd pregnancy with L. She suffered miscarriage shortly before.

 

[Dotta]

Yes I agree. So was she not aware of this or did B refuse to take her or did B think she just needed to see the Psychologist?

She lived in Europe in a capital city. She surely had her local GP doctor, after the birth the doctor must care about mum and a child. Why go to pseudo therapist when she had a RIGHT to medical advice from hospital?

 

[Skigh]

I am waiting with baited breath for you to post the hints and metaphors which you have claimed that AK has been dropping hints about.

It takes time and much effort to read or listen to various articles and then translate them. We will have to be patient!

 

[Patrick Jane]

When I put the last part of this link into google translate, it came up with this:

"The investigator has a lot of work to do. The case has a "tail". You do not kill your wife like that because she wanted to divorce you. Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes."

Mr. Katerinopoulos insisted 4-5 times that a house in Crete in the area of Souda was rented there and a visit made there in April by one of the members of the couple."

Κατερινόπουλος: «Η υπόθεση έχει ουρά- Ήμουν βέβαιος ότι ήταν ο Μπάμπης» - DailyPost.gr

CC was murdered the next month - on May 11. One of the members of the couple would have been Babis.

A better translation than "tail" is "queue" (British English) or "line" (American English). AK is saying that LE got the first person in line (B), but there are other(s) next in line.
I agree that AK has to be referring to B regarding the rental of the house in Crete. B was a helicopter pilot, and would have the money and means to get there. I can't imagine how or why C would go to Crete.

I would like to know more about whether the criminal activities could have occurred in Souda, Crete where Babis went in April this year, if there could be a Turkish connection and whether the land he bought was the result of money laundering.

The location of Souda in Crete strikes me as odd. The most notable thing in Souda is the U.S. (and Greek and NATO) Naval Station:

Crete Naval Base - Wikipedia
US Naval Support Activity (NSA) Souda Bay - Naval Technology
Souda Bay - Wikipedia

 

[MsBetsy]

Did the fake psychologist have the legal authority to order bloodwork?

I would think any doctor treating her for post natal care could have ordered bloodwork. A psychologist can diagnose postpartum depression, but they can't prescribe meds or order bloodwork, as far as I know. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

But remember that she was in her 2nd pregnancy with L. She suffered miscarriage shortly before.

Good point. So she must have had regular blood work, and they probably would have spotted it earlier if she had thyroid problems.

 

[Dotta]

It takes time and much effort to read or listen to various articles and then translate them. We will have to be patient!

I know what you mean I managed to mix 2 "K" cops and I treated them as ONE "K". But Patric is very watchful and quickly sent a message "Earth to Dotta" So now I have 2 fav Greek cops hihi

 

[tayaway]

I know what you mean I managed to mix 2 "K" cops and I treated them as ONE "K". But Patric is very watchful and quickly sent a message "Earth to Dotta" So now I have 2 fav Greek cops hihi

Don't feel bad, I'm in the same boat with some of these horrible automatic translations. me: did the article say the bird flew across the road? : all the other readers: no, it said that the bird waited on the side of the road.

 

[Skigh]

She lived in Europe in a capital city. She surely had her local GP doctor, after the birth the doctor must care about mum and a child. Why go to pseudo therapist when she had a RIGHT to medical advice from hospital?

To be honest,we do not know what post natal medical care C. received. Visits to the so called therapist could have been in addition to other treatment.

 

[Lola68]

B is in a bad psychological state according to his lawyer.

"The accused has begun to realize the magnitude of his act, pointing out, however, that this action was not pre-planned and there was no motive."

"Mr. Papaioannidis, visited his client late last night, stayed with him for about half an hour and they discussed the defensive line. The information says that the 32-year-old, who is in a bad psychological state, attributes his act to his wife's behavior while this time he was not monitored by psychologists. In fact, the information says that the defense will not request a psychiatric examination as the pilot, due to his capacity, underwent psychometric tests every three months."

BBM
Γλυκά Νερά: Μόνος του σε κελί ο δολοφόνος - Γιατί δεν θα ζητήσει ψυχιατρική εξέταση

(Apologies if this has been posted already)

Could be a poor translation, but does this indicate B doesn't need a psychiatric exam because he was already receiving psychological support/testing (from a discredited hynotherapist)?? And/or they don't require an exam because he is/isn't considered psychologically stable. (Surely if he was at risk to himself or others, he wouldn't be able to continue flying).

 

[tayaway]

thenewspaper.gr June 19

This piece covers an interview with one of the family's close friends, who attended the funeral on May:

«Καθ’ όλη τη διάρκεια της τελετής δεν πλησίασε το φέρετρο της άτυχης Καρολάιν ούτε στα δύο μέτρα. Καθόταν πάντα μακριά της και μου έκανε εντύπωση οτι δεν της έριξε ούτε ένα βλέμμα. Περάσαμε όλοι, οι λιγοστοί άνθρωποι που ήμασταν μέσα στον ναό, για να την αποχαιρετήσουμε. Σε αυτή τη διαδικασία, αγγίζεις τον νεκρό, προσεύχεσαι πάνω από αυτόν. Έτσι το έχουμε εμείς εδώ. Είναι η τελευταία επαφή με τον άνθρωπο που έφυγε από τη ζωή. Είναι η τελευταία εικόνα. Κι όμως, ο πιλότος δεν πλησίασε ποτέ. Δεν την είδε μέσα στο φέρετρο. Δεν την αποχαιρέτησε, δεν την άγγιξε. Δεν έκανε τίποτα από όσα έκαναν οι υπόλοιποι» επισημαίνει ο φίλος της οικογένειας μιλώντας αποκλειστικά στο TheNewspaper.gr. «Μόλις επέστρεψα στο σπίτι, είπα στην οικογένειά μου οτι ο Μπάμπης την δολοφόνησε» συνέχισε με δάκρυα στα μάτια.

B avoided looking at or touching or saying goodbye to C as she lay in the casket. The attendee instinctively knew that B killed C.

 

[caylee17799]

B is in a bad psychological state according to his lawyer.

"The accused has begun to realize the magnitude of his act, pointing out, however, that this action was not pre-planned and there was no motive."

"Mr. Papaioannidis, visited his client late last night, stayed with him for about half an hour and they discussed the defensive line. The information says that the 32-year-old, who is in a bad psychological state, attributes his act to his wife's behavior while this time he was not monitored by psychologists. In fact, the information says that the defense will not request a psychiatric examination as the pilot, due to his capacity, underwent psychometric tests every three months."

BBM
Γλυκά Νερά: Μόνος του σε κελί ο δολοφόνος - Γιατί δεν θα ζητήσει ψυχιατρική εξέταση

(Apologies if this has been posted already)

Could be a poor translation, but does this indicate B doesn't need a psychiatric exam because he was already receiving psychological support/testing (from a discredited hynotherapist)?? And/or they don't require an exam because he is/isn't considered psychologically stable. (Surely if he was at risk to himself or others, he wouldn't be able to continue flying).

I believe the point is that the defense will not request that B gets examined by a psychiatrist-who could possibly attribute this crime to pre-existing mental illness, for example-, as B, being a pilot, already underwent psychometric tests every three months, that would have already caught a supposed mental disorder, if he had one. MOO.

 

[tayaway]

B is no longer listed on the charter company site. It reads 404 oops, page not found. Guess this means he's been fired, ya?

 

[Skigh]

thenewspaper.gr June 19

This piece covers an interview with one of the family's close friends, who attended the funeral on May:

«Καθ’ όλη τη διάρκεια της τελετής δεν πλησίασε το φέρετρο της άτυχης Καρολάιν ούτε στα δύο μέτρα. Καθόταν πάντα μακριά της και μου έκανε εντύπωση οτι δεν της έριξε ούτε ένα βλέμμα. Περάσαμε όλοι, οι λιγοστοί άνθρωποι που ήμασταν μέσα στον ναό, για να την αποχαιρετήσουμε. Σε αυτή τη διαδικασία, αγγίζεις τον νεκρό, προσεύχεσαι πάνω από αυτόν. Έτσι το έχουμε εμείς εδώ. Είναι η τελευταία επαφή με τον άνθρωπο που έφυγε από τη ζωή. Είναι η τελευταία εικόνα. Κι όμως, ο πιλότος δεν πλησίασε ποτέ. Δεν την είδε μέσα στο φέρετρο. Δεν την αποχαιρέτησε, δεν την άγγιξε. Δεν έκανε τίποτα από όσα έκαναν οι υπόλοιποι» επισημαίνει ο φίλος της οικογένειας μιλώντας αποκλειστικά στο TheNewspaper.gr. «Μόλις επέστρεψα στο σπίτι, είπα στην οικογένειά μου οτι ο Μπάμπης την δολοφόνησε» συνέχισε με δάκρυα στα μάτια.

B avoided looking at or touching or saying goodbye to C as she lay in the casket. The attendee instinctively knew that B killed C.

I imagine B is also scared about what else the Police are discovering about his activities and who he associated with.

 

[Estelle]

A better translation than "tail" is "queue" (British English) or "line" (American English). AK is saying that LE got the first person in line (B), but there are other(s) next in line.
I agree that AK has to be referring to B regarding the rental of the house in Crete. B was a helicopter pilot, and would have the money and means to get there. I can't imagine how or why C would go to Crete.

The location of Souda in Crete strikes me as odd. The most notable thing in Souda is the U.S. (and Greek and NATO) Naval Station:

Crete Naval Base - Wikipedia
US Naval Support Activity (NSA) Souda Bay - Naval Technology
Souda Bay - Wikipedia

Yes it struck me as odd too. Having a suspicious mind, with the idea of B moving to Souda Bay in Crete, all I could think of was possible espionage on behalf of Turkey. Was that going to mean leaving C and their baby in Athens or would he fly back and forth?

 

[Dotta]

B is in a bad psychological state according to his lawyer.

"The accused has begun to realize the magnitude of his act, pointing out, however, that this action was not pre-planned and there was no motive."

"Mr. Papaioannidis, visited his client late last night, stayed with him for about half an hour and they discussed the defensive line. The information says that the 32-year-old, who is in a bad psychological state, attributes his act to his wife's behavior while this time he was not monitored by psychologists. In fact, the information says that the defense will not request a psychiatric examination as the pilot, due to his capacity, underwent psychometric tests every three months."

BBM
Γλυκά Νερά: Μόνος του σε κελί ο δολοφόνος - Γιατί δεν θα ζητήσει ψυχιατρική εξέταση

(Apologies if this has been posted already)

Could be a poor translation, but does this indicate B doesn't need a psychiatric exam because he was already receiving psychological support/testing (from a discredited hynotherapist)?? And/or they don't require an exam because he is/isn't considered psychologically stable. (Surely if he was at risk to himself or others, he wouldn't be able to continue flying).

He was a PILOT. I think they must be absolutely of sound mind. They are probably checked psychologically periodically.

 

[Dotta]

Yes it struck me as odd too. Having a suspicious mind, with the idea of B moving to Souda Bay in Crete, all I could think of was possible espionage on behalf of Turkey. Was that going to mean leaving C and their baby in Athens or would he fly back and forth?

That would be really really JAW DROPPING twist K (whichever) mentioned!

 

[Estelle]

From another article:

"There is another question," said Mr. Katerinopoulos. "Which of the couple had traveled to Crete, around April 10, and saw a house to rent in Souda and for what reason? This is something, I believe the authorities will look for it.

This is very good information, of course they can also find the person who rented the houses and give them a deposit. Was it the man, was it the woman? Were they alone? Was he with friends? "He added, wondering.

Among other things, the retired brigadier stressed that the shocking case of spousal murder is not closed.

"The investigator has a job and if he needs the assistance of the police, he can ask for it legally. There may be an accomplice at other levels, at other stages," added Mr. Katerinopoulos. "Let us not live in a jealousy and a quarrel," he stressed.

Γλυκά Νερά: Ποιος από το ζευγάρι ήθελε να νοικιάσει σπίτι στην Κρήτη| Β

 

[Skigh]

Yes it struck me as odd too. Having a suspicious mind, with the idea of B moving to Souda Bay in Crete, all I could think of was possible espionage on behalf of Turkey. Was that going to mean leaving C and their baby in Athens or would he fly back and forth?

Crete is very conveniently situated for illegally transporting things between both Turkey and Libya and possibly Egypt .