Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[caylee17799]

New plot twist in the Souda, Crete connection. C, not B, went there? Can this case get any more complicated?

Μεγάλη ανατροπή, Γλυκά Νερά: Ποιος πήγε τελικά στη Σούδα για σπίτι, όχι ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος

I don't know about my fellow Greeks, but, these past weeks, I personally feel like we're living in some sick alternated reality, or in a Netflix Crime series universe. Where do I start from? This case and all its developments/implications. The tavern owner that killed himself. A new rape every day, each one more horrific than the previous one. This afternoon, the priest that was involved in drug trafficking, was about to get unfrocked, but ended up attacking and seriously wounding seven other priests with vitriol. And that's only within the last 3-4 days.
B actually allowed/was ok with Caroline traveling to Souda? With one of his colleagues? Not accompanied by him? That... definitely sounds strange.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Γλυκά Νερά: Δεν έχει αποκλειστεί η ύπαρξη συνεργού - ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

τονίζει ο κ. Κατερινόπουλος, για να συνεχίσει: «Μήπως φοβάται ο ίδιος για τον εαυτό του, τι θα συμβεί αν αποκαλυφθεί κάτι άλλο;»
A.K. "Maybe (B's) in fear for his own self (implication: his own life), what could happen if something else is revealed/exposed"

(my translation) /end of translation

Maybe LE thinks this fear is justified, because how else do we explain the heavy guards and protection to the courthouse and the special precautions (away from general population) at the prison? JMO

 

[Skigh]

I don't know about my fellow Greeks, but, these past weeks, I personally feel like we're living in some sick alternated reality, or in a Netflix Crime series universe. Where do I start from? This case and all its developments/implications. The tavern owner that killed himself. A new rape every day, each one more horrific than the previous one. This afternoon, the priest that was involved in drug trafficking, was about to get unfrocked, but ended up attacking and seriously wounding seven other priests with vitriol. And that's only within the last 3-4 days.
B actually allowed/was ok with Caroline traveling to Souda? With one of his colleagues? Not accompanied by him? That... definitely sounds strange.

I have missed the bit about Caroline travelling to Souda with one of his colleagues. Are there anymore details about this visit?

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Δεν έχει αποκλειστεί η ύπαρξη συνεργού - ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

τονίζει ο κ. Κατερινόπουλος, για να συνεχίσει: «Μήπως φοβάται ο ίδιος για τον εαυτό του, τι θα συμβεί αν αποκαλυφθεί κάτι άλλο;»
A.K. "Maybe (B's) in fear for his own self (implication: his own life), what could happen if something else is revealed/exposed"

(my translation) /end of translation

Maybe LE thinks this fear is justified, because how else do we explain the heavy guards and protection to the courthouse and the special precautions (away from general population) at the prison? JMO

Well, we make our own fortunes.

 

[Dotta]

Sb else in B's life?

ΕΚΤΑΚΤΟ: Επιβεβαιώθηκαν οι φήμες - Τρίτο πρόσωπο στη ζωή του Μπάμπη - Σοκ στην κοινή γνώμη | KalimeraEllada.gr

 

[Patrick Jane]

I have missed the bit about Caroline travelling to Souda with one of his colleagues. Are there anymore details about this visit?

New plot twist in the Souda, Crete connection. C, not B, went there? Can this case get any more complicated?

Μεγάλη ανατροπή, Γλυκά Νερά: Ποιος πήγε τελικά στη Σούδα για σπίτι, όχι ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος

Παρέα φέρεται να είχε έναν συνάδελφο του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, που ήταν αρκετά κοντά στο ζευγάρι.
Σύμφωνα με τις ίδιες πληροφορίες, σκοπός του ταξιδιού τους ήταν η μίσθωση μιας οικίας.
Άγνωστο παραμένει για ποιους λόγους η Κάρολαιν ήθελε να νοικιάσει σπίτι στη συγκεκριμένη περιοχή.

 

[caylee17799]

I have missed the bit about Caroline travelling to Souda with one of his colleagues. Are there anymore details about this visit?

See the report in Patrick's post that I quoted. It states that "According to new information, it wasn't B that went to Souda on April 10th, but Caroline herself, accompanied by one of B' colleagues, who was quite close to the couple. She went there in order to lease/rent a house in the area."
A newspaper titled "OnTime" was cited as the source of this information.
Edit: Patrick got here first

 

[Skigh]

Any possibility of a translation!!!

 

[Skigh]

See the report in Patrick's post that I quoted. It states that "According to new information, it wasn't B that went to Souda on April 10th, but Caroline herself, accompanied by one of B' colleagues, who was quite close to the couple. She went there in order to lease/rent a house in the area."
A newspaper named "OnTime" was cited as the source of this information.

Thank you very much. I missed that . So he was using her to rent a place..possibly in her name? Perhaps she found out she was being used and began asking questions.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τι έγραφε το χαρτί που συντάραξε τη Νικολούλη στον αέρα του έκτακτου «Τούνελ» (Pic) | KalimeraEllada.gr

About that mysterious Light in the Tunnel phone call.

The card was visible:

«Εικάζει μήπως η Κάρολαϊν τον απείλησε για κάτι που ήξερε για τον ίδιο ή τις δουλειές του;»
"Is he/she guessing/presuming that maybe C threatened him (B) with something she knew about him and his works/jobs?"

(my translation)

 

[caylee17799]

Any possibility of a translation!!!

It doesn't say much. At first it refers to what AK had said about someone (either B or C) going to Souda on April 10th, in order to rent a house, and how it's important that whomever was renting out the house(s) is found, so they can give a statement to the police. The author adds that everyone expected that B was the one who traveled there, given that he's a pilot that flies frequently to the Aegean islands and Crete, so it would be easy for him to get there, with company that could "raise some questions". And then it proceeds to point out that it was actually Caroline who traveled there etc (insert my previous post there), and it concludes stating that "surely mr AK knows a lot (about the case), but he releases information to the public in small doses only".

 

[Skigh]

It doesn't say much. At first it refers to what AK had said about someone (either B or C) going to Souda on April 10th, in order to rent a house, and how it's important that whomever was renting out the house(s) is found, so they can give a statement to the police. The author adds that everyone expected that B was the one who traveled there, given that he's a pilot that flies frequently to the Aegean islands and Crete, so it would be easy for him to get there, with company that could "raise some questions". And then it proceeds to point out that it was actually Caroline who traveled there etc (insert my previous post there), and it concludes stating that "surely mr AK knows a lot (about the case), but he releases information to the public in small doses only".

Thank you very much.


Mr AK certainty is only giving us information on small doses!

 

[Patrick Jane]

1:00:40 Lambropoulos: C didn't like something about B's job . . . doesn't necessarily mean other (extreme) scenarios . . . maybe it was over his working hours and his work schedule
newsman: this is new information, I've never heard this before
L: someone will give an account of this soon
The mobile phones will be key to the investigation . . .
/end of translation

That's the highlight of the video. . . There's a lot here, including a history of a rupture in the B&C relationship for many months and also the in-laws, and a broken door, which suggests a history of domestic violence . . .

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Jealous is actually one of the top reasons that partners or ex partners kill.

“No one kills out of jealousy.

 

[tayaway]

Mr AK thinks that too. Who knows? As a pilot and an emotionless deviant he certainly could be an asset to any gang.

B reminds me of the Breaking Bad character, psychopath Todd Alquist. Killing someone is nothing personal to this type of person; oh well, I needed to do it to further my goals or protect my future plans. What's for lunch?

Take this Skai June 22 piece, for example: B apparently showed no remorse and woke up in jail with a cheery attitude, looking forward to focusing on raising his daughter.

Ο Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος, καθ’ όλη τη διάρκεια της παραμονής του στα κρατητήρια της ΓΑΔΑ δεν έδειξε σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες κανένα στοιχείο λύπης.

Ο 33χρονος σχεδίαζε μαζί με το συνήγορό του από τη ΓΑΔΑ την υπερασπιστική γραμμή - Κατά τη μεταγωγή του στον ανακριτή ήταν και πάλι ανέκφραστος.

Μάλιστα σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες, το πρωί του Σαββάτου φέρεται να ξύπνησε αρκετά ευδιάθετος και να ανέφερε χαρακτηριστικά: «άντε να τελειώνουμε να μπούμε φυλακή να ασχοληθώ με το παιδί και την ανατροφή του από δω και πέρα».

 

[everybodhi]

Snippets
“No one kills out of jealousy."

Jealous is actually one of the top reasons that partners or ex partners kill.

Yeah, I don't get why he said that, it's something he should know, if you google it, tons of studies from all over the world come up.
And it's nothing new, this study even includes a Robert Burton quote, dude went to college in the 1500's!
BBM
Jealousy And Violence
The role played by jealousy in both initiating domestic violence and in attempts by perpetrators to justify their violence cannot be overstated. In a study carried out in Scotland nearly half of the 109 battered women inteiviewed identified their partner's excessive possessiveness and sexual jealousy as the typical precipitant of violence (Dobash & Dobash 1980). Two thirds of the women at a refuge for battered women in the London area reported that their partner's excessive jealousy was the primary cause of the violence and that in many cases the partner's suspicions were entirely without foundation (Gayford 1975, 1979). Studies from North America produced similar results with for example Hilberman and Manson (1977) reporting that extreme jealousy contributed to the violence in most of their group of 60 battered women; and Rounsaville (1978) noted similar findings with 52% of the battered women listing jealousy as the main problem and no less than 94% naming it as a frequent cause. Interestingly in one of the few studies to ask men why they battered their partners, they most often nominated anger at supposed infidelity.

The other issue highlighted by a number of studies on domestic violence and jealousy is the extent to which the batterer's jealousy was excessive or even frankly morbid. The violence can on occasion have fatal consequences for as noted by the 17th century divine Robert Burton (1621/1827 pg 428) "those which are jealous proceed from suspicion to hatred; from hairnd to frenzy; from frenzy to injury, murder and despair".
Male sexual jealousy has been claimed to be the commonest motivation to killing in domestic disputes in North America (Daly, Wilson and Weghorst, 1982) and there is every reason to suppose that this is true of other societies.

 

[tayaway]

Sb else in B's life?

ΕΚΤΑΚΤΟ: Επιβεβαιώθηκαν οι φήμες - Τρίτο πρόσωπο στη ζωή του Μπάμπη - Σοκ στην κοινή γνώμη | KalimeraEllada.gr

Apparently this person came in and out of his life, and the news of who it is will shock people? I'm guessing it can't be a minor female, and would have to be older to fit that type of relation.

Σύμφωνα με το nassoblog, ο Μπάμπης διατηρούσε παράνομη σχέση με πρόσωπο το οποίο «μπαινόβγαινε στη ζωή του» – όπως χαρακτηριστικά γράφτηκε- τα στοιχεία του οποίου αναμένεται… να σοκάρουν την κοινή γνώμη.

Possible 3rd wheel in the relationship? MOO: My bet is on Stavros Dogias, the tavern owner who "committed suicide" by shooting himself twice, once in the head and once in the heart. Why? According to fimes.gr, they were friends, they went on chopper rides together, and tavern patrons noted that SD became depressed when LE arrested B : Στο πλαίσιο αυτό, το Kontra Channel στο βραδινό δελτίο ειδήσεων έκανε αναφορά σε πληροφορίες ότι ο «αυτόχειρας» Σταύρος Δογιάκης που βρέθηκε νεκρός στα Γλυκά Νερά, είχε φιλική και προσωπική σχέση με τον δολοφόνο της Κάρολαιν, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλο... Πήγαιναν μαζί και βόλτες με το ελικόπτερο. Μετά τη σύλληψη του πιλότου, ο ιδιοκτήτης της ταβέρνας είχε πέσει σε βαριά κατάθλιψη, όπως λένε οι πελάτες που επισκέπτονταν το κατάστημά του.

 

[everybodhi]

Apparently this person came in and out of his life, and the news of who it is will shock people? I'm guessing it can't be a minor female, and would have to be older to fit that type of relation.

Σύμφωνα με το nassoblog, ο Μπάμπης διατηρούσε παράνομη σχέση με πρόσωπο το οποίο «μπαινόβγαινε στη ζωή του» – όπως χαρακτηριστικά γράφτηκε- τα στοιχεία του οποίου αναμένεται… να σοκάρουν την κοινή γνώμη.

Possible 3rd wheel in the relationship? MOO: My bet is on Stavros Dogias, the tavern owner who "committed suicide" by shooting himself twice, once in the head and once in the heart. Why? According to fimes.gr, they were friends, they went on chopper rides together, and tavern patrons noted that SD became depressed when LE arrested B : Στο πλαίσιο αυτό, το Kontra Channel στο βραδινό δελτίο ειδήσεων έκανε αναφορά σε πληροφορίες ότι ο «αυτόχειρας» Σταύρος Δογιάκης που βρέθηκε νεκρός στα Γλυκά Νερά, είχε φιλική και προσωπική σχέση με τον δολοφόνο της Κάρολαιν, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλο... Πήγαιναν μαζί και βόλτες με το ελικόπτερο. Μετά τη σύλληψη του πιλότου, ο ιδιοκτήτης της ταβέρνας είχε πέσει σε βαριά κατάθλιψη, όπως λένε οι πελάτες που επισκέπτονταν το κατάστημά του.

Murder didn't solve the problem.
It's really sad to think maybe she and a puppy were killed, a child lost her parents, and his lover committed suicide, to keep him in the closet.
More evidence of the toxicity patriarchal society has on people.

 

[tayaway]

Murder didn't solve the problem.
It's really sad to think maybe she and a puppy were killed, a child lost her parents, and his lover committed suicide, to keep him in the closet.
More evidence of the toxicity patriarchal society has on people.

I don't know how a person can commit suicide by shooting themselves in the head and heart - after the 1st, you can't possibly pull off the second. I'm assuming that their deaths had more to do about something akin to the local drug or human trafficking trades. MOO

 

[Winterbells]

Murder didn't solve the problem.
It's really sad to think maybe she and a puppy were killed, a child lost her parents, and his lover committed suicide, to keep him in the closet.
More evidence of the toxicity patriarchal society has on people.

That really is so sad, you’re right.