Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021

[Patrick Jane]

This is a media interview with the same policeman who I've posted a few of his other interviews. This interview begins around the ten minute mark. There is some good information in here. I'll translate excerpts from this interview later, when I have the time. I watched it a few days ago, but never posted it, and had some trouble finding it again. So here it is, so I don't lose it.

K is the policeman in this media interview

Ok, let me put this video interview in context by starting at the end.

15:15 K says don't misunderstand me, this whole conversation (we're having) is hypothetical, it's based on the very little evidence we have

okay with that caveat in mind, let's go to the beginning

10:00 the TV reporter in the street (outside the crime scene) asks if the victim pulled off the (alleged) perpetrator's mask, and there was a struggle, wouldn't the perpetrator leave behind sweat? DNA on the victim's nails? something?
K says, yes, there should be DNA evidence. According to the husband they (the alleged perpetrators) were inside for a long time, and if there was a struggle, for sure there would be DNA
11:10 the TV newswoman asks in what situation would there not be any DNA? K responds that this would only occur if they were wearing plastic coveralls, and even had plastic covering their gloves, shoes, etc.
11:30 the TV newsman says this (the plastic coveralls) would have been memorable and made an impression on the husband, but the husband didn't say anything about them wearing plastic coveralls
12:00 K says he's never seen before (in all his experience) robbers who use a silver colored revolver, that maybe it would be something for a gun collector/enthusiast possibly, but not something used by robbers
12:30 K says how'd the baby get next to the mother?
13:00 K downplays the sketch, and based on his experience, says it's virtually impossible for a sketch to lead to the identification of a perpetrator
13:55 the TV newswoman asks about the cameras, and K says it's difficult to remove the memory cards from cameras. Also, how do they (the alleged perpetrators) know that the cameras are not recording to somewhere else as well? (In other words, you've taken the memory card, but the cameras could be recording to a DVR or the cloud. How would you know that they're not recording there as well in addition to recording to the memory card?)
14:58 K says the timeline is very important. the time of death is important.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

And we have clarity on the type of tape used: in the video, K says it was μονωτική ταινία, which I'd translate as "electrical tape."

I acknowledge and appreciate that it is your translation but "electrical tape" only "sticks" to itself. Honestly, it is useless for anything other than its intended purpose IMO.

How can this get any more odd?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

And we have clarity on the type of tape used: in the video, K says it was μονωτική ταινία, which I'd translate as "electrical tape."

I acknowledge and appreciate that it is your translation but "electrical tape" only "sticks" to itself. Honestly, it is useless for anything other than its intended purpose IMO.

How can this get any more odd?

 

[Patrick Jane]

I acknowledge and appreciate that it is your translation but "electrical tape" only "sticks" to itself. Honestly, it is useless for anything other than its intended purpose IMO.

How can this get any more odd?

The literal translation is "insulating tape" but I think the best translation to English is "electrical tape."

from wikipedia:

Electrical tape (or insulating tape)

Electrical tape - Wikipedia

K said that this tape covered his mouth.*

*He didn't specify that this tape was used in other parts of his body, but I'm not sure I'd take that to necessarily mean that it wasn't used elsewhere. For example, to cover his eyes. JMO

 

[Winterbells]

I acknowledge and appreciate that it is your translation but "electrical tape" only "sticks" to itself. Honestly, it is useless for anything other than its intended purpose IMO.

How can this get any more odd?

It’s all so very weird.
But about the electrical tape - I’m surprised you say it only sticks to itself? I feel I’ve used it to stick a thin cable to a wall and it stuck alright. Not as sticky as parcel or gaffer or gorilla tape though, that’s for sure.

 

[Polly Graf]

Whether it’s electrical, duct or brown parcel tape, they’re all pretty useless until they’re wrapped completely around something and back over themselves. Sometimes they’ll stick to a really smooth surface but not anything that’s at all damp or dusty. If it was wrapped tight around his entire head a few times I can believe it stayed there a while, but if it’s just strips it can’t have been on long at all.
MOO

 

[Patrick Jane]

the whole thing with the glass window doesn't make much sense either, as it doesn't appear to be a forced entry. K mentioned the window in today's vid, and it's also described in yesterday's Ta Nea article. It's a bit complicated to translate, but I might give it a go tomorrow.

 

[Winterbells]

the whole thing with the glass window doesn't make much sense either, as it doesn't appear to be a forced entry. K mentioned the window in today's vid, and it's also described in yesterday's Ta Nea article. It's a bit complicated to translate, but I might give it a go tomorrow.

Thank you @Patrick Jane for taking the time to do all this translating.

 

[everybodhi]

K is the policeman in this media interview
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14:58 K says the timeline is very important. the time of death is important.

For the timeline, we have CC’s time of death at 4:20-4:30 and the police arrival at 6:20, a few minutes after the emergency call, finding CC dead in the bed with her baby trying to wake her and BA tied up, blindfolded and gagged, on the floor.
Are there any other facts established by LE I’ve missed in the timeline?

 

[Patrick Jane]

For the timeline, we have CC’s time of death at 4:20-4:30 and the police arrival at 6:20, a few minutes after the emergency call, finding CC dead in the bed with her baby trying to wake her and BA tied up, blindfolded and gagged, on the floor.
Are there any other facts established by LE I’ve missed in the timeline?

In this video interview K doesn't give the time of death, but I posted the video interview where K did (and it's, as you say correctly, 4:20-4:30a.m., although K qualifies it by saying it's only based on the information he's received).

Do we know what time the alleged perpetrators entered according to the husband?

 

[tayaway]

LE have noted that only items already in the house were used. The logical question here is, how long did it take the perps to find everything? The tape, the string, the dog's leash... Question, if the family crated the dog at night, why did the perps take him out and hang him? Side note: I'm happy to see that LE also raise an eyebrow about the baby spending 4:20-6:20 on the bed.

 

[everybodhi]

In this video interview K doesn't give the time of death, but I posted the video interview where K did (and it's, as you say correctly, 4:20-4:30a.m., although K qualifies it by saying it's only based on the information he's received).

Do we know what time the alleged perpetrators entered according to the husband?

Some media say 4:30am, some say 5:00am, I haven’t seen an actual interview where he says the time.

“The raid took place at about 4.30am when three masked men broke into the house while another stood outside guarding the building.”
Greece offers €300,000 reward for killers who strangled British-born student in front of baby | Greece | The Guardian

 

[Patrick Jane]

Some media say 4:30am, some say 5:00am, I haven’t seen an actual interview where he says the time.

“The raid took place at about 4.30am when three masked men broke into the house while another stood outside guarding the building.”
Greece offers €300,000 reward for killers who strangled British-born student in front of baby | Greece | The Guardian

I think this might be what K is referring to when he mentions that the timeline is very important and the time of death is important. JMO

 

[everybodhi]

LE have noted that only items already in the house were used. The logical question here is, how long did it take the perps to find everything? The tape, the string, the dog's leash... Question, if the family crated the dog at night, why did the perps take him out and hang him? Side note: I'm happy to see that LE also raise an eyebrow about the baby spending 4:20-6:20 on the bed.

I hope they autopsy the dog and determine time of death, it seems it could be relevant timeline evidence.

 

[everybodhi]

I think this might be what K is referring to when he mentions that the timeline is very important and the time of death is important. JMO

The neighbor who reported hearing the dog bark is possibly a second witness to the timeline. jmo

 

[Patrick Jane]

this is a policeman on a segment of a Greek morning show

around 6:00 the policeman rejects the journalist's statement that "no DNA has been found" and corrects him to say we can't say for sure that "no DNA has been found" as apparently "a little (bit of) DNA" was found

at 2:30 they discuss that, as of yesterday, the husband has returned to live at the house

I watched this again to see if the time that the alleged perpetrators entered is mentioned. K doesn't bring this up, but (at 1:06 in the video) the TV newsman says that "we know they (the alleged perpetrators) entered the house around 4:30a.m." K makes no comment in response to this and sits poker-faced. Then they discuss the time that the police arrived, and then the time of death. When K says the time of death is around 4:20-4:30 a.m., in response (at 1:24 in the video) the TV newsman says "in other words, at the time they (the alleged perpetrators) entered." K doesn't respond to this, but reiterates that the time of death is only based on the information that he's received.

 

[everybodhi]

I watched this again to see if the time that the alleged perpetrators entered is mentioned. K doesn't bring this up, but (at 1:06 in the video) the TV newsman says that "we know they (the alleged perpetrators) entered the house around 4:30a.m." K makes no comment in response to this and sits poker-faced. Then they discuss the time that the police arrived, and then the time of death. When K says the time of death is around 4:20-4:30 a.m., in response (at 1:24 in the video) the TV newsman says "in other words, at the time they (the alleged perpetrators) entered." K doesn't respond to this, but reiterates that the time of death is only based on the information that he's received.

He’s trying to answer and at the same time stay cool without playing all his cards, “it’s only based on information he’s received”, from the autopsy report.

 

[Patrick Jane]

this is the "Light in the Tunnel" investigative journalist crime show, comparable in a way to Crime Watch UK or Unsolved Mysteries in the U.S.
Others have posted about this episode earlier in the thread when the episode first aired.

29:25 the host says that they have an interview with the lady from the next door house (presumably this means the maisonette with the shared wall with the victim's maisonette), and she "remembered the time" and "heard something from the next door house". The host explains that this neighbor lady and the victim were friends, and they had a common bond in that they were both animal lovers. The neighbor proceeds to give an interview, with her face hidden and her voice sounds like its run through a distortion machine so that she can't be identified.
31:45 the interviewer asks her if she heard the cries of the dog. yes, she says, it was very fast. she thought maybe one of her cats had played around with the dog and bothered the dog. she was asleep and woke up. she remembers this (hearing the cries of the dog). then she heard a "dook" sound which she doesn't want to think about what that sound was, but she imagines it was probably the sound made when the dog was killed.
the interviewer asks her if she heard any shouting/screaming from the house and she says no.
33:23 the host says 4:30a.m. is the time that the neighbor lady hears the cries of the dog
/end of excerpt and end of translation

In my opinion this excerpt explains why the host of the morning TV news show which interviewed K was confidently saying "we know that they (the alleged perpetrators) entered around 4:30a.m."

 

[Patrick Jane]

to summarize

K: "the timeline is very important. The time of death is important."
K: "the time of death is 4:20-4:30 a.m."
neighbor's testimony: "cries of dog and sound of dog being killed at 4:30 a.m."

Right there we can see the problem in the timeline.
It appears that the victim was murdered before the dog was killed.

 

[Dotta]

So it seems C was killed in the rage (not premeditated) and the rest of the time was devoted to setting the crime scene of alleged robbers JMO So where is the "stolen" money? Was it even hidden in the famous Monopoly box?