Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Lola68]

That is also why I am open to believing that he either wrote Savros' two suicide notes or forced him to write them. Handwriting needs to be checked.

When was S found dead? I thought it was around a week after B was arrested and confessed, and that’s when his mood changed. So B couldn’t have written the letters and it would be hard for him to threaten S from prison when all his comms will be monitored. S may just have been horrified that his friend/lover whatever was capable of murder. I still think they’re connected though and suicide doesn’t quite add up. IMO

 

[Estelle]

Why is B given VIP treatment in prison? Is this because he has not been sentenced yet, because he needs protection or because he used to fly MPs to the Greek islands so has connections? He even has his own cell which has two bunk beds, a separate bathroom, a refrigerator and a fan. He shares the VIP wing with three other detainees (one prison for drug trafficking in Ioannina prisons, and two others for smuggling and drugs). He constantly calls his lawyer and parents. I wonder whether these other prisoners will be wiretapped and encouraged to share their experiences and then ask questions of B.

The revelation of the British Daily Mail about Caroline's "secret diary" dropped like a bomb yesterday . The first reaction of the 33-year-old husband-killer came through his lawyer, Alexandros Papaioannidis. Specifically, responding to MEGA, Mr. Papaioannidis emphasizes that what the Daily Mail claims is denied by B. In fact, as the 33-year-old pilot's lawyer typically says "these do not even exist in the case file".

Inside hellhole jail holding Caroline Crouch’s husband - but he gets 'VIP' wing

 

[Estelle]

When was S found dead? I thought it was around a week after B was arrested and confessed, and that’s when his mood changed. So B couldn’t have written the letters and it would be hard to threaten S from prison when all his comms will be monitored. He may just have been horrified that his friend/lover whatever was capable of murder. I still think they’re connected though and suicide doesn’t quite add up. IMO

No SD died it a few days before B was arrested. Stavros Dogiakis 53 years the owner of tavern “Kritikos” located in the suburb of Kantza, was found on dead on Tuesday, June 22, face down, with a head injury, in the area of Agios Giannis, between Glyka Nera and Agia Paraskevi. The 53-year-old had been missing since Monday, June 21, from Glyka Nera when he left in his car.

Greek pilot who murdered his wife Caroline Crouch now linked to restaurant boss’ mystery death - Greek City Times

IMO that is why police flew to the island to arrest B as they may have had suspicions then.

 

[tayaway]

Also this:
Revelation: Caroline's wedding dress rehearsal - "He did not leave her alone for a minute" says the designer

"A wedding reminiscent of a fairy tale! They were stolen like the old movies and secretly married in Portugal… Their in-laws did not want this wedding, but nothing discouraged them. After a while, they visited me sweetly to tell me the joyful news of his coming "I was so shocked to see Caroline's face on the Greek news today from so far away in Portugal. This horrific crime that happened to these sweet children in Glyka Nera is unbelievable," he added.

Γλυκά Νερά - Αποκάλυψη: Η πρόβα νυφικού της Καρολάιν - 'Δεν την άφηνε λεπτό μόνη' λέει η σχεδιάστρια (Βίντεο)

Ya, I posted about that a while ago, but there is so much stuff, it's overwhelming. What happened in updates yesterday? I've already forgotten because what we found out today about B is so revolting. Again, we need a fluid chart to use as a refresher for names, incidents, facts versus rumor...

 

[tayaway]

No SD died it a few days before B was arrested. Stavros Dogiakis 53 years the owner of tavern “Kritikos” located in the suburb of Kantza, was found on dead on Tuesday, June 22, face down, with a head injury, in the area of Agios Giannis, between Glyka Nera and Agia Paraskevi. The 53-year-old had been missing since Monday, June 21, from Glyka Nera when he left in his car.

Greek pilot who murdered his wife Caroline Crouch now linked to restaurant boss’ mystery death - Greek City Times

IMO that is why police flew to the island to arrest B as they may have had suspicions then.

What? News of B's arrest was at least by June 18, and Stavros was found June 22. All the MSM have noted that he probably committed suicide because of B's arrest.

 

[Lola68]

I wouldn’t have thought so with all this continued blabbing to the media

 

[Estelle]

What? News of B's arrest was at least by June 18, and Stavros was found June 22. All the MSM have noted that he probably committed suicide because of B's arrest.

You are correct. From memory, Stavros went to a wedding on the previous Sunday and was happy but then became melancholic for 5 days after. So how can B be blamed for his death?

 

[Lola68]

It appears now that EM was in fear of her life from B as he pressured her to lie on TV to defend him saying that they had a happy marriage and C's problems were hormonal.

I assume that now that B is in prison, she feels safer and has made an honest statement to police.

That would make sense - because if C told her she was in danger she had a duty of care to report it. Unless she was also scared of the consequences of doing so? I’d rather believe this than that she cared more about her fake creds being discovered than C’s safety. IMO

Still don’t know why she’s still talking though.

 

[Estelle]

Φονικό στα Γλυκά Νερά – 'Δεν εξετάσαμε νωρίτερα τον Μπάμπη για λόγους στρατηγικής' – Τι αναφέρουν αξιωματικοί της ΕΛ.ΑΣ.

Murder in Glyka Nera - "We did not examine Babis earlier for reasons of strategy" - What do EL.AS officials report?

According to the sources familiar with the case, who spoke to SKAI station, the officers may have noticed "problem areas" in what the pilot was claiming , but were unable to proceed with further examination, as they lacked evidence to confirm his involvement. We had indications from the first moment but everything was under investigation, explain EL.AS officers. who handled the case , when asked by Skai why it took 37 days for the curtain to fall on the "theater" of Babis Anagnostopoulos, as the confessed murderer of 20-year-old Caroline. All these days, as they report, they were trying to document through the evidence whether the robbers that the 33-year-old initially referred to were "visible" or "invisible". They note that although they perceived "problem areas" in what the pilot claimed, they could not proceed with further examination due to lack of evidence to confirm his involvement. They had to deal, as they emphasize, with a man who had just "lost" his wife and had to support their child who was orphaned by the "invisible criminals" he had invented. The question was twofold, they typically state. If it weren't for the robbers, it would definitely be Babis. So robbery had to be ruled out first. When the data excluded the pilot scenario, then he automatically entered the frame of the investigations.

 

[Skigh]

Yes, I’m sure they will. One article has a paywall and the other site has so many articles on there making it difficult to locate what I’m looking for especially when I don’t speak Greek

I admire you for searching through articles written in Greek! I am afraid I wait for our wonderful translators to post translations or for articles in the British papers.

 

[Lola68]

No SD died it a few days before B was arrested. Stavros Dogiakis 53 years the owner of tavern “Kritikos” located in the suburb of Kantza, was found on dead on Tuesday, June 22, face down, with a head injury, in the area of Agios Giannis, between Glyka Nera and Agia Paraskevi. The 53-year-old had been missing since Monday, June 21, from Glyka Nera when he left in his car.

Greek pilot who murdered his wife Caroline Crouch now linked to restaurant boss’ mystery death - Greek City Times

IMO that is why police flew to the island to arrest B as they may have had suspicions then.

B was arrested on 18 June after the memorial (was SD at the memorial??).

SD went missing on 21 June, and was found dead on 22 June, the day that B went to court to give his testimony.

Greek pilot in court charged with murdering British wife

 

[Wishingwell]

Φονικό στα Γλυκά Νερά – 'Δεν εξετάσαμε νωρίτερα τον Μπάμπη για λόγους στρατηγικής' – Τι αναφέρουν αξιωματικοί της ΕΛ.ΑΣ.

Murder in Glyka Nera - "We did not examine Babis earlier for reasons of strategy" - What do EL.AS officials report?

According to the sources familiar with the case, who spoke to SKAI station, the officers may have noticed "problem areas" in what the pilot was claiming , but were unable to proceed with further examination, as they lacked evidence to confirm his involvement. We had indications from the first moment but everything was under investigation, explain EL.AS officers. who handled the case , when asked by Skai why it took 37 days for the curtain to fall on the "theater" of Babis Anagnostopoulos, as the confessed murderer of 20-year-old Caroline. All these days, as they report, they were trying to document through the evidence whether the robbers that the 33-year-old initially referred to were "visible" or "invisible". They note that although they perceived "problem areas" in what the pilot claimed, they could not proceed with further examination due to lack of evidence to confirm his involvement. They had to deal, as they emphasize, with a man who had just "lost" his wife and had to support their child who was orphaned by the "invisible criminals" he had invented. The question was twofold, they typically state. If it weren't for the robbers, it would definitely be Babis. So robbery had to be ruled out first. When the data excluded the pilot scenario, then he automatically entered the frame of the investigations.

Thank you. That sounds as though it is the same article from Documento which is currently trending on Twitter.

 

[Estelle]

More on the new house

Suddenly, it turned out that the construction of the house could not proceed, because in the specific point of the municipality of Rafina-Pikermi the streams have not been settled and heights cannot be given, so that it can be seen exactly where the platform will be to set up the house. At that time, the killer, according to SKAI, asked for the procedures to be speeded up and for the project managers to do what they can because he wants to move to the new house soon and leave the rent. It is also typical that every now and then the 33-year-old killer would say to his interlocutors, as if he wanted to convince them: "I am a good person…"

Φονικό στα Γλυκά Νερά – Την σκότωσε και επί 37 ημέρες οργάνωνε το χτίσιμο νέου σπιτιού

 

[Estelle]

B was arrested on 18 June after the memorial (was SD at the memorial??).

SD went missing on 21 June, and was found dead on 22 June, the day that B went to court to give his testimony.

Greek pilot in court charged with murdering British wife

What search would I do for this case on twitter?

 

[MsBetsy]

If it is true that the card has been recovered I am sure the sun or mail will pick up on it. They seem to update their articles quite regularly.

Even if it has been, I doubt they can retrieve any data from it after being broken apart and sitting in water for so long.

 

[Legally Bland]

What search would I do for this case on twitter?

Courtesy of @tayaway in a previous thread.

There are thousands of us around the world right now, refreshing the γλυκά νερά hashtag on twitter, youtube, google... every few minutes!

 

[Wishingwell]

What search would I do for this case on twitter?

This one has a lot of updates #Γλυκα_Νερα

 

[Estelle]

No SD died it a few days before B was arrested. Stavros Dogiakis 53 years the owner of tavern “Kritikos” located in the suburb of Kantza, was found on dead on Tuesday, June 22, face down, with a head injury, in the area of Agios Giannis, between Glyka Nera and Agia Paraskevi. The 53-year-old had been missing since Monday, June 21, from Glyka Nera when he left in his car.

Greek pilot who murdered his wife Caroline Crouch now linked to restaurant boss’ mystery death - Greek City Times

IMO that is why police flew to the island to arrest B as they may have had suspicions then.

So between June 18 when B was arrested on the island, and June 22 when Stavros "suicided" was B locked up or free to roam?

 

[Estelle]

Even if it has been, I doubt they can retrieve any data from it after being broken apart and sitting in water for so long.

It's amazing what forensics can do. Was the memory card plastic? If so, it would not have been affected by water. B cut it into pieces so they could easily put it together again surely.

 

[Wishingwell]

Even if it has been, I doubt they can retrieve any data from it after being broken apart and sitting in water for so long.

I thought the same but apparently water damage is quite common in photography and the data can be retrieved once dried out. I guess it depends on the amount of damage.