Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Estelle]

snipped by me

And what about the "suicide" of Stavros Dogiakis on Monday?

No mention of a wife...is the implication that he might have been in an intimate relationship with B? That could be relevant in terms of weighing up the likelihood of an alleged mistress, although infidelity is infidelity as far as C making a discovery which could have led to her demise.

"A person from his friendly environment stated that "Stavros was very upset last week, he did not even show up at the gym, which is rare because he was a man who paid a lot of attention to his physical condition". " Αυτοκτόνησε ο Σταύρος Δογιάκης, ιδιοκτήτης της ταβέρνας «Κρητικός» - PineiosNews

"After the arrest of the pilot, the owner of the tavern had fallen into a severe depression, according to customers who visited his shop.

All of a sudden, without a serious problem, he committed suicide"
https://www.fimes.gr/2021/06/mpampis-anagnostopoulos-stavros-dogiakis/

So what the media is implying is that B is bisexual - an unknown mistress and Stavros?

 

[tayaway]

You might be correct here. I agree that C was too proud to tell anyone about her marital problems - except to the "Psychologist" and the priest. B probably love bombed her before they married as narcissists do, then she fell pregnant so she felt probably felt obliged to get married due to her religion (as she may not have been emotionally ready to), then everything went south from then on with the miscarriage and the domestic violence. She was probably also too ashamed to admit it to anyone and kept on hoping things would get better. From what we know, it appears that she isolated herself except for her studies which did not last long, her phone calls with her mother and a visit with her friend. You would have thought she could have confided in her sister if not her mother. But perhaps everything she said on the phone to anyone was recorded by B. Would that have been possible?

I suppose it would depend on what kind of connections he had? I don't have a clue how phone taps are done or even what hard/software is even needed.

How awful, with all the cameras in the home, she was like a goldfish in a glass bowl, all while he was out piloting around, doing who knows what with who knows who. He certainly isolated her, and like you note, her own shame would reinforce it. We don't really have much on how he treated past gf/bfs, do we?

 

[everybodhi]

My ex-Airborne Ranger jet instructor now commercial pilot friend told me helicopters are the hardest thing to pilot. He said you fly one or the other because the differences can confuse.
But then there's a car and a cell phone..

"According to a neighbor of the couple, who spoke to “Tunnel”, the confessed perpetrator about a month before the murder crashed his granddaughter’s car because he was distracted while talking on his cell phone."

Angeliki’s conversations with the pilot come to light…

 

[tayaway]

So what the media is implying is that B is bisexual - an unknown mistress and Stavros?

Could Stavros be an off/on relationship with ties going way back?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He has a granddaughter ?

"According to a neighbor of the couple, who spoke to “Tunnel”, the confessed perpetrator about a month before the murder crashed his granddaughter’s car because he was distracted while talking on his cell phone."

 

[tayaway]

He had a granddaughter ?

That bit confused me as well. Maybe the perp was driving the neighbor's granddaughter's car?

 

[Dotta]

The phone call between Babis' and Angeliki Nikolouli about the priest..
Angeliki’s conversations with the pilot come to light…
"What made impression, was the abrupt change in behavior when something happened that he could not control. The politeness was going away and another image was taking its place. He spoke in the singular and demanded immediate answers abruptly.
“I was just told that a priest called on the show and said that my wife had gone to confess and told him about alleged problems between us. If the one who received it, is indeed a priest, which is unlikely, then his false testimony is of pure evil that does not fit a clergyman and he will be held accountable. I want a name, a phone number and a parish. Apart from the prosecutor’s office, all the information will go to the archdiocese. He can pick up the phone to call me. Because I am a good person, I will give him a chance to apologize before seeing his name in a case file. Let someone inform him that in addition to sin, it is also illegal for someone to testify falsely… ”

Well, in case of confession B is right - a priest must NEVER disclose it. Im a Roman Catholic and it is obvious to me. A priest calling to TV show and disclosing the secret of confession???? Im lost for words here.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes that could be it.

That bit confused me as well. Maybe the perp was driving the neighbor's granddaughter's car?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think it was in Caroline's diary that all she wanted was for him to be by her side...

Agreed. If we refer back to this in.gr June 23 article, which talks about the neighbors and how they viewed B and C's coming and goings, the fact that he wasn't there much would give him some time for such extracurricular activities.

 

[Dotta]

That bit confused me as well. Maybe the perp was driving the neighbor's granddaughter's car?

A neighbour's granddaughter was hit by B in a car

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Oh so it was just the translation was wrong.

He hit the neighbours granddaughter in his car Was she badly hurt.

 

[Dotta]

Oh so it was just the translation was wrong.

He hit the neighbours granddaughter in his car Was she badly hurt.

Yes, I read it some time ago. Journalists questioned neighbours about C and B.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder if he was angry about something when he was driving.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder if he was angry about something when he was driving.

Talking on the phone. In Poland it is forbidden to drive and hold the phone talking.

 

[Dotta]

Money 55K for the lot was from C's Mum. She wanted to help them And look what "reward" she got for her generosity

 

[Estelle]

Money 55K for the lot was from C's Mum. She wanted to help them And look what "reward" she got for her generosity

It appears that B has a Jekyll and Hyde personality

 

[Dotta]

Colleagues about B - "A paragon of virtue".
Yearly psychological tests - perfect.

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[Estelle]

Glyka Nera: New information about the friendship of Stavros Dogiakis with the pilot Babis Anagnostopoulos

Friendships, visits to the tavern and helicopter rides
At the same time, questions arise about the relationship that the confessed murderer Charalambos Anagnostopoulos had with the businessman Stavros Dogias . The two men reportedly knew each other well, as Anagnostopoulos had reportedly visited the famous tavern in Kantza, which is a hangout of celebrities . In fact, he and his wife Caroline, have reportedly chosen this tavern several times to dine. In addition, according to police sources, the company in which Anagnostopoulos worked was cooperating with the tavern "Kritikos" as he organized business meetings and meetings there.

The place where 53-year-old businessman Stavros Dogiakis chose to end his life , who was found dead in a wooded area near the Holy Monastery of Agios Ioannis the Hunter in Agia Paraskevi, raises many questions . The isolated area that connects Glyka Nera with Ymittos, is located just a few kilometers between the maisonette of Glyka Nera and the paternal house of Babis Anagnostopoulos . The businessman was in Maroussi before deciding to go up with his Smart car to the specific area.

Authorities are examining every detail of the two cases, but so far there is no information linking the crime and the suicide that "froze" public opinion.

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες πληροφορίες για τη φιλία του Σταύρου Δογιάκη με τον πιλότο Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλο | Anatropi News

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes but did he have the crash because he was on the phone.
Was he seen talking or was he angry about something and drove carelessly.

Talking on the phone. In Poland it is forbidden to drive and hold the phone talking.

 

[Skigh]

Glyka Nera: New information about the friendship of Stavros Dogiakis with the pilot Babis Anagnostopoulos

Friendships, visits to the tavern and helicopter rides
At the same time, questions arise about the relationship that the confessed murderer Charalambos Anagnostopoulos had with the businessman Stavros Dogias . The two men reportedly knew each other well, as Anagnostopoulos had reportedly visited the famous tavern in Kantza, which is a hangout of celebrities . In fact, he and his wife Caroline, have reportedly chosen this tavern several times to dine. In addition, according to police sources, the company in which Anagnostopoulos worked was cooperating with the tavern "Kritikos" as he organized business meetings and meetings there.

The place where 53-year-old businessman Stavros Dogiakis chose to end his life , who was found dead in a wooded area near the Holy Monastery of Agios Ioannis the Hunter in Agia Paraskevi, raises many questions . The isolated area that connects Glyka Nera with Ymittos, is located just a few kilometers between the maisonette of Glyka Nera and the paternal house of Babis Anagnostopoulos . The businessman was in Maroussi before deciding to go up with his Smart car to the specific area.

Authorities are examining every detail of the two cases, but so far there is no information linking the crime and the suicide that "froze" public opinion.

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες πληροφορίες για τη φιλία του Σταύρου Δογιάκη με τον πιλότο Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλο | Anatropi News

Is there any chance the suicide could actually be murder?