Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Winterbells]

Brit mum's diary 'used code for 'beatings' with symbol for 'dangerous' husband'

B looks like he's on his phone in this in-prison pic.
Are remand prisoners allowed phones?

 

[Dotta]

Brit mum's diary 'used code for 'beatings' with symbol for 'dangerous' husband'

B looks like he's on his phone in this in-prison pic.
Are remand prisoners allowed phones?

He is constantly on the phone according to prison guards. He calls his family and a lawer.

 

[Dotta]

https://eleftherostypos.gr/ellada/7...o-🤬🤬🤬-prospathoyse-na-paraplanisei-tis-arxes/
B's new home

 

[Dotta]

Thank you, Patrick.
Typical of the Daily Mail.
What a waste of time this has been.

You learnt new Greek words haha But I dont advise to use them while sightseeing in Greece hihihi

 

[Patrick Jane]

Thank you, Patrick.
Typical of the Daily Mail.
What a waste of time this has been.

Is there a word in English to describe a man who is so cunning and devious, and yet so wimpy and unmanly, that he won't fight* his wife fairly, because she's a martial artist and would probably beat him, so instead he attacks her and murders her when her guard is down and she's literally sleeping?

That's the word used in Greek,** and C was right about him!

*fight: I'm in no way condoning domestic violence, but illustrating a point about B and the context of the word used
**I'm still open to the idea that C could have been using the phrase as "old [homosexual slur]", but I'd have to see the context to be sure. And I bet LE know exactly what she means if they deciphered this code based on context.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

"Βόμβα" από την ιδιοκτήτρια του σπιτιού στην Σούδα: "Η Καρολάιν δεν..." | KalimeraEllada.gr

Trip to Souda - Fake news?

Thanks! I was skeptical about that when we first heard it. I don't remember the original source but it didn't sound credible. There seems to be a lot of speculation in the media over this case.

 

[MsBetsy]

Is there a word in English to describe a man who is so cunning and devious, and yet so wimpy and unmanly, that he won't fight* his wife fairly, because she's a martial artist and would probably beat him, so instead he attacks her and murders her when her guard is down and she's literally sleeping?

That's the word used in Greek,** and C was right about him!

*fight: I'm in no way condoning domestic violence, but illustrating a point about B and the context of the word used
**I'm still open to the idea that C could have been using the phrase as "old [homosexual slur]", but I'd have to see the context to be sure. And I bet LE know exactly what she means if they deciphered this code based on context.

MOO

There are a lot of words to describe such a person. I think B is a coward who realized he could no longer control his wife or prevent her from leaving, so he killed her.

 

[Dotta]

There are a lot of words to describe such a person. I think B is a coward who realized he could no longer control his wife or prevent her from leaving, so he killed her.

I think we can use the words Winterbells obssessed about when we are mad in our countries. Nobody will understand! And we will let the anger out of our systems. You... 3 words... The person: Umm? You: Never mind! Its in Greek!

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

THE Greek helicopter pilot who murdered his British wife has been linked to a restaurant boss’s mystery death.

Cops are probing a possible connection between Babis and “close associate” Stavros Dogiakis, 53 — found dead last week.

They initially believed his death was suicide, but friends are asking how that is possible when he had gunshot wounds to the head and chest.

Mr Dogiakis was a neighbour of the couple in Athens and they were clients at his restaurant chain.

Police are focusing on how Babis funded exotic holidays, fancy hotels and motorbikes on a 3,000 euro (£2,600) a month salary.


Greek pilot who murdered British wife now linked to restaurant boss' death

 

[Skigh]

Murdered Caroline Crouch's husband is pictured in exercise yard of maximum security prison | Daily Mail Online


We have to ask why is he getting V.I.P treatment?

 

[MsBetsy]

Brit mum's diary 'used code for 'beatings' with symbol for 'dangerous' husband'

B looks like he's on his phone in this in-prison pic.
Are remand prisoners allowed phones?

Cellphones are not allowed in prison but according to the article he has a "calling card," so he's probably allowed a limited amount of minutes per month. I'm assuming all calls are recorded. In the picture of him behind the fence his hands are at his waist, so I don't think he's using a phone.

 

[tayaway]

All so true.
Mind you, the newspapers can't decide whether the miscarriage was before or after marriage. Some have B 'quoted' as saying it was shortly after. But who knows. And I don't even think it matters really, right?

MSM is working hard to portray her as a mature adult woman, as if B did not murder his teenage wife.

 

[tayaway]

In many interviews, including this one, AK's been hammering on about B's body language and his being completely emotionless after the murder of C. This is the first interview where he's mentioned "tie-ups with other murders." I'm wondering if he's hinting around that this wasn't the first time that B has murdered someone. In other words, is AK hinting around that we're not just seeing the coldness of narcissist personality disorder, we're also seeing experience? An experienced murderer? JMO

Drug runner or contract killer? So many questions!

 

[tayaway]

I have thought about this. It strikes me as odd that a person of C’s age would use it. It was mainly used in the US years ago and to a lesser extent in the U.K.
Doesn’t really answer your question but it has got me thinking

She's from the UK, with Brit parents. So she must be exposed to the culture. Even I, a Canuck, who's never been to the UK, know the slang and meaning.

 

[tayaway]

There are a lot of words to describe such a person. I think B is a coward who realized he could no longer control his wife or prevent her from leaving, so he killed her.

Yes! Coward is the first word that came to my mind!

 

[Patrick Jane]

"Βόμβα" από την ιδιοκτήτρια του σπιτιού στην Σούδα: "Η Καρολάιν δεν..." | KalimeraEllada.gr

Trip to Souda - Fake news?

Maybe the MSM got the wrong house?

AK is sticking to his story. Adding new details: 1) the two people who went there presented themselves as a couple, and 2) seeking a long-term rental, and 2) AK has text messages from the owner of the property who recognized this person (AK has never told us whether it was B or C who went, but MSM reporting has concluded it was C).

The article also talks about the house that has been reported in the news, as not having been visited by C.

Η προσπάθεια του συζυγοκτόνου να παγιδεύσει τον Γεωργιανό - ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

 

[Estelle]

Glyka Nera: "To answer if Caroline was given any medicine - Let's see the full forensic report"
What the President of the Hellenic Forensic Medicine Society, Grigoris Leon, said about the brutal murder of Caroline by her husband. "Forensic examinations should be completed. For example, the toxicological examination should be made public. Did she receive any medication or not, was she given any medicine before her death or not? This must be answered to see if the resistance was lifted in a different way than just by force, "said Mr. Leon.

Γλυκά Νερά: 'Να απαντηθεί αν χορηγήθηκε στην Καρολάιν κάποιο φάρμακο - Να δούμε την πλήρη ιατροδικαστική έκθεση'

 

[Estelle]

Maybe the MSM got the wrong house?

AK is sticking to his story. Adding new details: 1) the two people who went there presented themselves as a couple, and 2) seeking a long-term rental, and 2) AK has text messages from the owner of the property who recognized this person (AK has never told us whether it was B or C who went, but MSM reporting has concluded it was C).

The article also talks about the house that has been reported in the news, as not having been visited by C.

Η προσπάθεια του συζυγοκτόνου να παγιδεύσει τον Γεωργιανό - ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

Speaking to Creta24 , the owner of the house, whose details we do not mention for security reasons, revealed that the unfortunate Caroline never visited the specific house whose photos have been published in the media. "She did not come here, neither this girl nor her husband called me. I have uploaded it to a site which he may have seen and stored on her laptop, so that he could see it at some point and did not have time to see it." The girl has not come, she has seen it on a site and most likely the Greek Police saved it and saw it and the site of my house went on the air".

Γλυκά Νερά: Ιδιοκτήτρια του σπιτιού στη Σούδα - 'Η Καρολάιν δεν ήρθε ποτέ εδώ - Ούτε τηλέφωνο πήρε'

 

[Estelle]

In the horrific murder of 20-year-old Caroline in Glyka Nera, the lawyer Giannis Marakakis, the clinical psychologist Ilia Theotoka, the technical director of the repair center chain Konstantinos Samartzias and the journalist were mentioned in the show "Society Hour MEGA" .

The clinical psychologist Ilia Theotoka stressed that: " Anagnostopoulos played very well the theater he had set up. He had made sure to have a lot of realism in all this. Although I do not know the person, such behaviors usually refer to a malignant narcissistic disorder, to a severe psychopathic personality disorder with complete "In the absence of inhibitions and a system of values and guilt.

'Βόμβα' Μαρακάκη για τα Γλυκά Νερά: Την επόμενη εβδομάδα θα έχουμε εξελίξεις - Δεν είναι τυχαία η ψυχραιμία του δολοφόνου

 

[tayaway]

Maybe the Souda house is the wrong one? Or, what if, like the 'psychologist,' who lied to the public about C/B's relationship, to present a positive spin so as not to spook B until they arrested him, it is the right house, but the owner is being told to deny it? Maybe LE is investigating and just can't go public with this aspect of the case?