Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Estelle]

Some of the forensics from B's mobile - more details on each call after the murder - SEE BOLD BELOW

Babis Anagnostopoulos had testified that he had fallen asleep from 01:15 to 01:30 after midnight and woke up when he noticed the robbers, however, it turned out from his mobile phone that he used it at 02:27 and 02:30 where he unlocked it with password and entered the messaging application. In particular, in terms of what it showed smartphone to the police we have the following information. In practice IMessage there is the message on the perpetrator's mobile phone "You stupid", at 23:18 from Caroline email.

At 23:42 May 10, 2021 in practice Facebook Messenger there is the message on the perpetrator's mobile phone "Do not leave her with me in the morning" from Caroline's account. At 23:46 in the evening, a rise of three floors is recorded. At 01:15 the mobile enters charging mode. At 02:27 the cell phone is unlocked and 16 seconds later it locks again. At 02:30 it unlocks and the perpetrator looked at his messages and at 02:31 the mobile phone locks again. At 04:24 the mobile came out of charge while at 04:36 it is unlocked and enters the application gmail.

More specifically, at 04:20 the neighbor who lives in the maisonette that is partitioned with the couple's house, heard from the couple's house a barking immediately after the dog cries after steps on the stairs coming from a person. At 04:24 a.m., a time when the killer had initially reported to the authorities that he was unconscious, his cell phone came out of charging mode, then unlocked using the personal secret code and locked several times while recording movement of several meters and ascent of floors. At 04:38 he locks the cell phone again. At 05:22 a movement of 29 steps is recorded at a distance of 21,93 meters. At 05:40 and 05:41 a rise of two floors is recorded. At 05:53, 14 steps are recorded with a distance of 10,74 meters, while he unlocked the mobile phone and after 2 seconds he locked it again. At 05:53 he went up one floor. At 06:01 and 06:02 we have unlocked and locked the mobile again.

At 06:08 it unlocks and 26 seconds later a call is made to 180.
At 06:10 try to call 100 and the phone stays on the screen until 06:11:10 where it locks again.
At 06:11:59 it unlocks and at 06:12:59 it is called 100.
A call to the number with the stored name Lazarou etairiko (ex-)work).
At 06:16:58 the perpetrator dials a number corresponding to Lila Gerolimatou

The descent was not recorded.
At 06:08:30 the mobile phone unlocks and dials first the number 180 then 1000 and then 100 at 06:12:59.
These calls also refer to the initial testimony of the perpetrator while the actions were done as he said with his nose as he was tied up.
According to what he had initially mentioned, he was tied from 04:11 to 06:20. From the clinical forensic examination it was found that the injuries he had on his head and the bruises on his arms and legs, were barely discernible and therefore his minor injuries had testified that he was unconscious from the time of his death until the time he called with his mobile phone, ie for about 2 hours.

Caroline Krauts murder: Terrifying resemblance to Caroline Nilsson case in 2016

SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT LILA IS THE NEIGHBOUR?

 

[Dotta]

Some of the forensics from B's mobile - more details on each call after the murder - SEE BOLD BELOW

Babis Anagnostopoulos had testified that he had fallen asleep from 01:15 to 01:30 after midnight and woke up when he noticed the robbers, however, it turned out from his mobile phone that he used it at 02:27 and 02:30 where he unlocked it with password and entered the messaging application. In particular, in terms of what it showed smartphone to the police we have the following information. In practice IMessage there is the message on the perpetrator's mobile phone "You stupid", at 23:18 from Caroline email.

At 23:42 May 10, 2021 in practice Facebook Messenger there is the message on the perpetrator's mobile phone "Do not leave her with me in the morning" from Caroline's account. At 23:46 in the evening, a rise of three floors is recorded. At 01:15 the mobile enters charging mode. At 02:27 the cell phone is unlocked and 16 seconds later it locks again. At 02:30 it unlocks and the perpetrator looked at his messages and at 02:31 the mobile phone locks again. At 04:24 the mobile came out of charge while at 04:36 it is unlocked and enters the application gmail.

More specifically, at 04:20 the neighbor who lives in the maisonette that is partitioned with the couple's house, heard from the couple's house a barking immediately after the dog cries after steps on the stairs coming from a person. At 04:24 a.m., a time when the killer had initially reported to the authorities that he was unconscious, his cell phone came out of charging mode, then unlocked using the personal secret code and locked several times while recording movement of several meters and ascent of floors. At 04:38 he locks the cell phone again. At 05:22 a movement of 29 steps is recorded at a distance of 21,93 meters. At 05:40 and 05:41 a rise of two floors is recorded. At 05:53, 14 steps are recorded with a distance of 10,74 meters, while he unlocked the mobile phone and after 2 seconds he locked it again. At 05:53 he went up one floor. At 06:01 and 06:02 we have unlocked and locked the mobile again.

At 06:08 it unlocks and 26 seconds later a call is made to 180.
At 06:10 try to call 100 and the phone stays on the screen until 06:11:10 where it locks again.
At 06:11:59 it unlocks and at 06:12:59 it is called 100.
A call to the number with the stored name Lazarou etairiko (ex-)work).
At 06:16:58 the perpetrator dials a number corresponding to Lila Gerolimatou

The descent was not recorded.
At 06:08:30 the mobile phone unlocks and dials first the number 180 then 1000 and then 100 at 06:12:59.
These calls also refer to the initial testimony of the perpetrator while the actions were done as he said with his nose as he was tied up.
According to what he had initially mentioned, he was tied from 04:11 to 06:20. From the clinical forensic examination it was found that the injuries he had on his head and the bruises on his arms and legs, were barely discernible and therefore his minor injuries had testified that he was unconscious from the time of his death until the time he called with his mobile phone, ie for about 2 hours.

Caroline Krauts murder: Terrifying resemblance to Caroline Nilsson case in 2016

SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT LILA IS THE NEIGHBOUR?

Why to remove memory cards if your phone spies on your every movement?

 

[Winterbells]

Why to remove memory cards if your phone spies on your every movement?

Because he's an idiot who thinks he's thought of everything.

 

[Dotta]

Because he's an idiot who thinks he's thought of everything.

Thank you for saying this haha I was too prim and proper But all the better for LE, they were given evidence on a platter!

 

[Dotta]

It seems all these disturbed perps are birds of a feather - they all spout nonsense about "foreign gangs". Wayne C talked about East European gang blackmailing him. Im an East European and Im angry!

 

[tayaway]

Does anyone know the neighbour's name?

Λιλά Γερολυματου (Lila Gerolymatou) is B's neighbor.

 

[Dotta]

Λιλά Γερολυματου (Lila Gerolymatou) is B's neighbor.

But what about her?? ? She seems to be a helpful neighbour. At least keeps to herself and doesnt appear in every Greek and foreign tabloid.

 

[Estelle]

How many numbers did he hit with his nose to make these two calls?

At 06:08:30 the mobile phone unlocks and dials first the number 180 then 1000 and then 100 at 06:12:59.

These seem to be very simple numbers but how do you do it with your nose?

 

[Estelle]

But what about her?? ? She seems to be a helpful neighbour. At least keeps to herself and doesnt appear in every Greek and foreign tabloid.

Some people are wondering if Lila is the 40yo woman that the media is saying that B could either be friends with or more. I've seen her photo and she looks about 40yo.

 

[Tortoise]

At 06:08:30 the mobile phone unlocks and dials first the number 180 then 1000 and then 100 at 06:12:59.

These seem to be very simple numbers but how do you do it with your nose?

No need to do it with your nose if your hands are self-tied?

It looks to me like he's just misdialled a few numbers purposely and then the numbers he intended (particularly neighbour as this is definitely not a last number redial) and then slipped his hands back in the string.

 

[Dotta]

Some people are wondering if Lila is the 40yo woman that the media is saying that B could either be friends with or more. I've seen her photo and she looks about 40yo.

Im sorry but Im not buying it

 

[Dotta]

Im sorry but Im not buying it

First of all she didn’t support B's version of the gang. She told she heard the steps of only 1 person on the stairs. Didn't hear any voices of strange men. Does she even work in air travel industry? She spoke of C in superlatives, shared C's love of animals. I would advise to leave her and her husband alone - they are the ones who showed tact and restraint while dealing with media.

 

[tayaway]

First of all she didn’t support B's version of the gang. She told she heard the steps of only 1 person on the stairs. Didn't hear any voices of strange men. Does she even work in air travel industry? She spoke of C in superlatives, shared C's love of animals. I would advise to leave her and her husband alone - they are the ones who showed tact and restraint while dealing with media.

Lila is one of the neighbors. Isn't there an older couple as well, and they have grandkids? I couldn't find anything to suggest Lila was involved in the aviation industry either. At first I thought she could be the 40 y o w, but aside from looking 40, nothing else fits. She is one of B's neighbors, and he did call her, but that's it.

ETA: This real.gr article rules Lila out. B apparently didn't contact the 40 y.o.w. through his cell:

From the research of EL.AS. In the cell phone of the husband-killer, it does not seem that any communication of the 33-year-old with the cell phone of the specific woman in question has occurred. However, the authorities are further investigating the specific relationship between the two, examining additional digital evidence.

Από την έρευνα της ΕΛ.ΑΣ. στο κινητό του συζυγοκτόνου δεν φαίνεται να προκύπτει κάποια επικοινωνία του 33χρονου με το κινητό της συγκεκριμένης γυναίκας το επίμαχο χρονικό διάστημα. Ωστόσο, οι Αρχές ερευνούν περαιτέρω τη συγκεκριμένη σχέση μεταξύ των δύο, εξετάζοντας επιπλέον ψηφιακά πειστήρια.

 

[Dotta]

Sorry to obssess about perps' lies of "foreign/East European gangs" we as a public have heard recently - but it really angered me (which doesnt happen often). It reminds me of American version of "2 men of colour and a Hispanic one" I heard (I dont remember the case now). Or a woman who drowned her autistic son in the river and claimed "2 persons of colour" kidnapped him. Cowardly scapegoating!!! All I can say: no morals, no honour, no courage to tell the truth and face consequences, no remorse, no human feelings

 

[tayaway]

Sorry to obssess about perps' lies of "foreign/East European gangs" we as a public have heard recently - but it really angered me (which doesnt happen often). It reminds me of American version of "2 men of colour and a Hispanic one" I heard (I dont remember the case now). Or a woman who drowned her autistic son in river and claimed "2 persons' of colour" kidnapped him. Cowardly scapegoating!!! All I can say: no morals, no honour, no courage to tell the truth and face consequences, no remorse, no human feelings

It's hurtful and an injustice when perps try to pin their crimes on other ethnic groups. I understand your frustration and anger.

 

[tayaway]

It's kind of odd that LE doesn't already have B's flight logs, but ok, at least now they're in the process of obtaining them? ...and of course, 6 months worth of phone records dating back from the day of C's murder. Maybe they've got a backlog of acid throwing priests?

to vima July 11:

At the same time, according to RealNews, the authorities will soon receive the information requested by the company in which the 33-year-old pilot worked, in order for the investigators to be aware of the trips he made with the company's helicopters in the context of his work. .

This may lead to various "strange" contacts, which may have played an important role in the subsequent actions of the pilot. (BBM)

Παράλληλα, σύμφωνα πάντα με τη RealNews, στα χέρια των Αρχών θα περιέλθουν σύντομα τα στοιχεία που έχουν ζητηθεί από την εταιρεία στην οποία εργαζόταν ο 33χρονος πιλότος, προκειμένου οι ερευνητές να έχουν γνώση των ταξιδιών που πραγματοποιούσε με τα ελικόπτερα της εταιρείας στο πλαίσιο της εργασίας του.

Ίσως και από εκεί να προκύψουν διάφορες «περίεργες» επαφές, που ενδέχεται να έπαιξαν σημαντικό ρόλο στις μετέπειτα ενέργειες του πιλότου.

 

[Dotta]

It's kind of odd that LE doesn't already have B's flight logs, but ok, at least now they're in the process of obtaining them? ...and of course, 6 months worth of phone records dating back from the day of C's murder. Maybe they've got a backlog of acid throwing priests?

to vima July 11:

At the same time, according to RealNews, the authorities will soon receive the information requested by the company in which the 33-year-old pilot worked, in order for the investigators to be aware of the trips he made with the company's helicopters in the context of his work. .

This may lead to various "strange" contacts, which may have played an important role in the subsequent actions of the pilot. (BBM)

Παράλληλα, σύμφωνα πάντα με τη RealNews, στα χέρια των Αρχών θα περιέλθουν σύντομα τα στοιχεία που έχουν ζητηθεί από την εταιρεία στην οποία εργαζόταν ο 33χρονος πιλότος, προκειμένου οι ερευνητές να έχουν γνώση των ταξιδιών που πραγματοποιούσε με τα ελικόπτερα της εταιρείας στο πλαίσιο της εργασίας του.

Ίσως και από εκεί να προκύψουν διάφορες «περίεργες» επαφές, που ενδέχεται να έπαιξαν σημαντικό ρόλο στις μετέπειτα ενέργειες του πιλότου.

I think it takes time. I am also interested in toxicology result of C. Re a mad acid throwing priest. I read he hears inmates' confessions in prison as he still considers himself as a Man of God. B confessed to him No comments ha ha ha

 

[tayaway]

I think it takes time. I am also interested in toxicology result of C. Re a mad acid throwing priest. I read he hears inmates' confessions in prison as he still considers himself as a Man of God. B confessed to him No comments ha ha ha

What a façade - er, no comment!

Yes, apparently even the main head of forensics in Greece is waiting on the toxicology report!

 

[Dotta]

What a façade - er, no comment!

Yes, apparently even the main head of forensics in Greece is waiting on the toxicology report!

Oh, I also read that a disgraced journalist is kept in this prison and he is chasing B for an "EXCLUSIVE" interview hihi. I bet prison workers cant complain about boredom these days.

 

[Estelle]

First of all she didn’t support B's version of the gang. She told she heard the steps of only 1 person on the stairs. Didn't hear any voices of strange men. Does she even work in air travel industry? She spoke of C in superlatives, shared C's love of animals. I would advise to leave her and her husband alone - they are the ones who showed tact and restraint while dealing with media.

I did not join this thread until later so I did not know she was married and all the other things you mentioned here.