Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[Lola68]

In practice IMessage there is the message on At 23:42 May 10, 2021 in practice Facebook Messenger there is the message on the perpetrator's mobile phone "Do not leave her with me in the morning" from Caroline's account. At 23:46 in the evening, a rise of three floors is recorded.

Caroline Krauts murder: Terrifying resemblance to Caroline Nilsson case in 2016

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Apologies if this has already been discussed, but C’s last message to B has been bothering me. At first I thought it was a mistranslation but it’s been widely reported in MSM. Contrary to what B said (and many people think), it suggests that C doesn’t want to be left alone with her daughter - which is understandable if you’ve got a young baby and your partner is away all the time. Could C have been looking for a hotel on her own out of desperation for some sleep? I’m not saying I trust one bit of B’s statement I just thought it was something to consider as everyone assumes C wanted to leave B that night, even if that isn’t the actual motive for her murder. Could there by similarities with Chris Watt’s here except that (Thank god) B couldn’t go through with killing his daughter. All IMO

 

[Dotta]

I did not join this thread until later so I did not know she was married and all the other things you mentioned here.

Her husband was in the house that night. I cant find the article now, there are too many of them.

 

[tayaway]

I still think there are two neighbors referred to in MSM off and on - 1, Lila, 2, an older couple.

I did not join this thread until later so I did not know she was married and all the other things you mentioned here.

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Apologies if this has already been discussed, but C’s last message to B has been bothering me. At first I thought it was a mistranslation but it’s been widely reported in MSM. Contrary to what B said (and many people think), it suggests that C doesn’t want to be left alone with her daughter - which is understandable if you’ve got a young baby and your partner is away all the time. Could C have been looking for a hotel on her own out of desperation for some sleep? I’m not saying I trust one bit of B’s statement I just thought it was something to consider as everyone assumes C wanted to leave B that night, even if that isn’t the actual motive for her murder. Could there by similarities with Chris Watt’s here except that (Thank god) B couldn’t go through with killing his daughter. All IMO

LE believe B texted the counselor from her phone, saying C didn't need more appointments. Couldn't B have texted that message about the baby, from C's phone to his, to further his conspiracy that she was a horrible mother? How does it match up with her smartwatch, if she was awake when it was sent, or sleeping?

 

[Estelle]

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Apologies if this has already been discussed, but C’s last message to B has been bothering me. At first I thought it was a mistranslation but it’s been widely reported in MSM. Contrary to what B said (and many people think), it suggests that C doesn’t want to be left alone with her daughter - which is understandable if you’ve got a young baby and your partner is away all the time. Could C have been looking for a hotel on her own out of desperation for some sleep? I’m not saying I trust one bit of B’s statement I just thought it was something to consider as everyone assumes C wanted to leave B that night, even if that isn’t the actual motive for her murder. Could there by similarities with Chris Watt’s here except that (Thank god) B couldn’t go through with killing his daughter. All IMO

I did not know what to make of that message but it sounds that Lydia had been stressing C out and she wanted B to mind her for a while perhaps.

Did baby L have any problems having been born premature?

 

[Dotta]

I did not know what to make of that message but it sounds that Lydia had been stressing C out and she wanted B to mind her for a while perhaps.

Did Lydia have any problems having been born premature?

I was born prematurely and my Dad still recalls with horror my constant shrieks and earsplitting crying Mum didnt sleep at all, she was like a Zombie.

 

[Estelle]

I still think there are two neighbors referred to in MSM off and on - 1, Lila, 2, an older couple.
LE believe B texted the counselor from her phone, saying C didn't need more appointments. Couldn't B have texted that message about the baby, from C's phone to his, to further his conspiracy that she was a horrible mother? How does it match up with her smartwatch, if she was awake when it was sent, or sleeping?

Yes that's a possibility.

 

[Dotta]

Yes that's a possibility.

I meant the lady who lives in the same maisonette!!!!!!!! I dont know if her name is Lila or Milla or sth else! What other neighbour???

 

[tayaway]

I meant the lady who lives in the same maisonette!!!!!!!! I dont know if her name is Lila or Milla or sth else! What other neighbour???

It wasn't a single maisonette isolated by a bunch of industrial buildings. There are other residential homes there, so they had other neighbors.

 

[Dotta]

It wasn't a single maisonette isolated by a bunch of industrial buildings. There are other residential homes there, so they had other neighbors.

I see... NOT

 

[Lola68]

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Apologies if this has already been discussed, but C’s last message to B has been bothering me. At first I thought it was a mistranslation but it’s been widely reported in MSM. Contrary to what B said (and many people think), it suggests that C doesn’t want to be left alone with her daughter - which is understandable if you’ve got a young baby and your partner is away all the time. Could C have been looking for a hotel on her own out of desperation for some sleep? I’m not saying I trust one bit of B’s statement I just thought it was something to consider as everyone assumes C wanted to leave B that night, even if that isn’t the actual motive for her murder. Could there by similarities with Chris Watt’s here except that (Thank god) B couldn’t go through with killing his daughter. All IMO

Just wanted to clarify that I absolutely didn't mean that C didn't want to be left alone with her daughter because she felt she was at risk, but that she was fed up/exhausted and angry that B could just carry on with his life as before, whereas she had given up her course and was isolated with no friends nearby

 

[tayaway]

Despite the fact that C's parents bankrolled the new plot/house and provided the couple with a monthly allowance of $1,000 euro, C was left stuck with only a few euro in her pocket. It was her family's money! This is such a common tactic by abusers! [rant, skip if you want: Personal examples: my father gave my mother a weekly cigarette allowance, meanwhile, he carried wads of cash in his pocket. One of my best friends right now, in this day and age, has a husband who does not give her a dime, but allows her a credit card to buy groceries for the family, which he goes over with a fine tooth comb. He's a tenured professor and won't let her work a regular job!]

The Toc July 11

The brave financial support the couple received from her parents was another element that supported her concerns about Babi. It was reported from the environment of the unfortunate girl that her parents gave 1,000 euros a month "alimony" to the couple, while they had contributed the most for the purchase of the plot in Dioni. What is striking is that this money was managed by the 33-year-old.

According to testimonies, the young girl had only a few euros in her pocket at a time, while she also felt "thrown" by the contribution of her husband's parents .

Η γενναία οικονομική στήριξη που λάμβανε το ζευγάρι από τους γονείς της ήταν ακόμη ένα στοιχείο που συνηγορούσε στους προβληματισμούς της για τον Μπάμπη. Από το περιβάλλον της αδικοχαμένης κοπέλας γνωστοποιήθηκε ότι οι γονείς της έδιναν 1.000 ευρώ το μήνα "διατροφή" στο ζεύγος, ενώ είχαν συνεισφέρει τα μέγιστα και για την αγορά του οικοπέδου στη Διώνη. Αυτό που προκαλεί εντύπωση είναι ότι τα χρήματα αυτά τα διαχειριζόταν ο 33χρονος.

Σύμφωνα με μαρτυρίες, η νεαρή κοπέλα δεν είχε στην τσέπη της κάθε φορά παρά μόνο λίγα ευρώ, ενώ ένιωθε "ριγμένη" και από την συνεισφορά των γονιών του συζύγου της.

 

[Estelle]

C should have had her own bank account and the parents could have transferred the money to that. I suspected that they were sending it to B's bank account. I doubt they had a joint account.

 

[tayaway]

C should have had her own bank account and the parents could have transferred the money to that. I suspected that they were sending it to B's bank account. I doubt they had a joint account.

We will soon find out; the prosecutor on the case gets back to his office July 15th, and B/C's banking info will be sitting on his desk.

 

[Estelle]

We will soon find out; the prosecutor on the case gets back to his office July 15th, and B/C's banking info will be sitting on his desk.

A lot will be revealed by his bank accounts. I wonder how much rent they were paying? Was a three storey maisonette justified?

I am hoping that the parents will have a civil case against B to claim back their contributions to the plot of land and project and to the money they gave for C and baby.

 

[Dotta]

It depends whether the money was given through the banking system I guess. If not (given to hand) Im afraid it cant be reclaimed. Everything must be documented.

 

[Dotta]

B and C didnt have property separation, right? So whatever money they had, it belonged to both of them. They both had the right to the same access to it.

 

[Estelle]

It depends whether the money was given through the banking system I guess. If not (given to hand) Im afraid it cant be reclaimed. Everything must be documented.

It sounds as if it was a regular payment of 1,000 per month to a bank account so as the parents live in Alonissos, I can't see B and C travelling there much after they had the baby so I doubt that C's mother was giving him cash payments. But you never know, he could have visited C's mother regularly in the helicopter just to collect the monthly payment in cash?????

 

[Dotta]

It sounds as if it was a regular payment of 1,000 per month to a bank account so as the parents live in Alonissos, I can't see B and C travelling there much after they had the baby so I doubt that C's mother was giving him cash payments. But you never know, he could have visited C's mother regularly in the helicopter just to collect the monthly payment in cash?????

I meant money for the plot of land.

 

[Estelle]

B and C didnt have property separation, right? So whatever money they had, it belonged to both of them. They both had the right to the same access to it.

Yes, of course, they did. C would own half of B's assets which would go to the parents. However, because B is a controlling man, I doubt whether C had much access to their money.

 

[Estelle]

I meant money for the plot of land.

I think I read that C's mother paid it via bank cheque.