Gun Control Debate #3

[CARIIS]

Delta merged with Northwest Airlines. NWA was headquartered in Minnesota. Come on back!

There are other states that are inviting Delta to come on over.

I hope they leave GA!

me too

realistically it is not gonna happen

that is there major hub

it would cost them billions to change that

it will be very interesting to see

they may take some city up on a dash

but vacating AT is not gonna happen

it is the soul of thier operation

financially aint gonna happen

i hope they hold tight

airlines are now making good money

eat it

stay

and say we are not supporting these machine gun grabbers

really? we wanna play ok fine were leaving so now you 179,000 unemployed people

hold tight that dude is not gonna do it !!

and if he does they are loaded now !!!

will be interesting !!

i love my aviation

 

[Tillicum]

Sorta OT but LE released the notes from the 13 year old boy who killed himself in Ohio last month. It's a frightening look into the mind of a potential school shooter. It gives us an idea of what we're up against and hopefully some ideas of how to prevent the next school shooter from achieving his goal.

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...rary/c63e9470-c865-43c5-a014-c47003d5d0b5.pdf

 

[kittythehare]

https://apnews.com/6636dea2893a43ec...ter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

[h=3]Police: Boy who shot himself planned attack on school[/h]
“I’d hurt and destroy something bigger but my schools an easy target,” Simons wrote in one message found on his phone.
“I want to leave a lasting impression on the world,” he said in another message written days before he took the.22-caliber gun to school on Feb. 20. “I’m going to die doing it.”

Police said Simons rode a bus to school and concealed the gun under his clothes. He also had a backpack with extra ammunition, bottle rockets and batteries.


he was 13.
he died.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sorta OT but LE released the notes from the 13 year old boy who killed himself in Ohio last month. It's a frightening look into the mind of a potential school shooter. It gives us an idea of what we're up against and hopefully some ideas of how to prevent the next school shooter from achieving his goal.

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...rary/c63e9470-c865-43c5-a014-c47003d5d0b5.pdf

I think we need to take it a step farther and rather than prevent a shooter from reaching his goal prevent a young man from wanting to be a shooter at all. I'm not fond of the idea "what we're up against" because that makes children our enemies. We are all on the same side.

 

[flourish]

So a woman across the street from a local Elementary School here today got an interesting letter in her door jamb with a picture of an AK-47 and the words "coming soon to a school near you." So many of my co-workers did not send their children to school today.

Additionally there's a town about a half hour away where a child had made some threats yesterday-- a 14 year old boy-- and he was arrested and lo and behold he did have a weapon with him.

Swell

 

[Tillicum]

I think we need to take it a step farther and rather than prevent a shooter from reaching his goal prevent a young man from wanting to be a shooter at all. I'm not fond of the idea "what we're up against" because that makes children our enemies. We are all on the same side.

Geez Blue, I'm not coming across very well today. I (in my mind) was including the vulnerable children in "we're".

 

[ohreally]

It disrespects LE.
They are entitled to breaks.
A gunman would wait until they had left.
Somebody should ask them first.
They should receive an extended budget for extra curricular activities.
Insurance would have to be notified and agree.

why does the solution have to be CHEAP?
Why not go for an expensive solution with gun proof containers in each classroom?

How about getting your local NRA to work to that end?

They would think it outrageous even though it would certainly save lives/
Essentially they want no changes, no costs and they couldn't care less who lives or who dies?

I cannot see how a law enforcement officer would feel disrespected by this. Law enforcement does many things to interact with the community. I will to ask my SIL who is law enforcement if he feels this is disrespectful to them.
Reading the news release it is an offer made by the county schools to law enforcement. Including using the teachers breakdowns if they wish. It is not a requirement it is an option, so no one is taking away thier break time.
I don't think this is the total solution. I do think that more paid full time policing is needed in the schools. I am not looking at this to be the answer. I consider it a detterant. Another layer of security for a school. It is easy and expensive putting this in place. In this case the vendor is the one paying for the food and drink.
Why not add it as another security measure than to just say no?

 

[CARIIS]

Lets just go really cheap

no backpacks anywhere

and then they all can play with midterms and all there nonsense

its free


why not while they all play there games

so easy

 

[CARIIS]

He is such a joke

yeh run around and take peoples guns without
due process

that is what they all are afraid of


ha

he has no clue what he is doing

just watch

by next week its all dumped on congress!!

 

[Lulu_la_Nantaise]

Bbm: England. --1700something...

Kit- hugs from the hurricane NE.

Lulu-beam me to Paris!!!

1) The musket era??????


2) Courage Kitty!


3) March promises to be wet and cloudy, but there are good hopes thatApril will be lovely

 

[kittythehare]

I cannot see how a law enforcement officer would feel disrespected by this. Law enforcement does many things to interact with the community. I will to ask my SIL who is law enforcement if he feels this is disrespectful to them.
Reading the news release it is an offer made by the county schools to law enforcement. Including using the teachers breakdowns if they wish. It is not a requirement it is an option, so no one is taking away thier break time.
I don't think this is the total solution. I do think that more paid full time policing is needed in the schools. I am not looking at this to be the answer. I consider it a detterant. Another layer of security for a school. It is easy and expensive putting this in place. In this case the vendor is the one paying for the food and drink.
Why not add it as another security measure than to just say no?

Because it's just a band-aid on a damn when a tourniquet is what is required..

why NOT find the massive funding that would be required to build safe areas within classrooms?

why can that notion not be considered and funded?
It is simple common sense, requires no teachers, police or anybody to compromise their professions.

If police are to spend their break times at schools, the errant pupil/shooter will know about it.

Remember Cruz shot for only 6 minutes..


If people don't want to give up their guns then do something different to make the guns and the gun holders safe.

It requires change, sure.
It requires regulations, sure.
It requires an investment in resources and in legislation and policing and that is just as antithetical as an outright gun ban!!

That is why it is a waste of time to argue with gun lovers- they will do NOTHING to change even though so many people are dying needlessly.

It's not about classrooms or concerts, it's about the basic good training and earning a right to bear arms.. a 6 month training period, self funded.. gun safety at home.. all the stuff I suggested earlier is antithetical and it does not touch the 2A..

And I am told that the NRA cowboys would never stand for it!!

wEll well Well!!
The right to bear arms as recklessly as possible . #RBAR

This is just making a mockery of death by gun.

No more band aids.. Go big, go mega- why are people afraid to look for financing and regulation??

I cannot understand it.

Sure it will cost, but if people realised they do not need the NRA and if at the same time, the NRA, who are so arrogant that they probably never concealed their tracks, became investigated, Miss Marple and Sherlock Holmes style and were found to have an undue influence on government and a Mueller style investigation ensued.. it's all over for the wild west.. the cult becomes prohibited..

 

[bluesneakers]

3) March promises to be wet and cloudy, but there are good hopes thatApril will be lovely

March could be darker.

March could be darker.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What makes no sense is saying sorry kids you're on your own, LE and teachers can't protect you.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Bayou. I think most of us do, which is why we’re all here hashing out things in this gun reform thread.

 

[flourish]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Bayou. I think most of us do, which is why we’re all here hashing out things in this gun reform thread.

Yes, I'm not keen on telling children, "sorry you have to live in fear at school and other public places, but people love their guns, so let's get you into your full body armor school uniform."

 

[Springrain]

It seems the majority of people asking to arm teachers don't have adult classroom experience. Of course some teachers want to be armed, but the vast majority do not.

Teaching a class, which again, can have/usually has 30+ kids, requires enormous amounts of focus. There would be the constant fear of a kid getting into the gun, or a violent teacher snapping and shooting a kid or kids. Kids are curious and if there is a gun, they will try to find it. It will be a distraction. Many kids will be afraid at having an armed teacher.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Arming teachers is just another experiment that puts our children at risk. Because there aren't enough ways to harm them.

You’re right, sneaks. It’s a social experiment, and a fantastical one at that.

Arming teachers, taking guns away from people who aren’t adjudicated incompetent just because they *might* use them for harm ...

These proposals and ones like them remove due process, the very bedrock of our law enforcement and justice systems.

They skirt the bounds of legality and constitutionality and related court cases would likely be unprosecutable. IMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, I'm not keen on telling children, "sorry you have to live in fear at school and other public places, but people love their guns, so let's get you into your full body armor school uniform."

I'm not either. And this generation has grown up with this. They all started school after Columbine. When I was in school a shooting was never a thought in my mind. We held a walkout strike when the attendance policy changed. I never got used to having to deal with a police officer when my daughter switched to public school. Locked doors, ID checks, bags searched.

 

[bobcat]

It seems the majority of people asking to arm teachers don't have adult classroom experience. Of course some teachers want to be armed, but the vast majority do not.

Teaching a class, which again, can have/usually has 30+ kids, requires enormous amounts of focus. There would be the constant fear of a kid getting into the gun, or a violent teacher snapping and shooting a kid or kids. Kids are curious and if there is a gun, they will try to find it. It will be a distraction. Many kids will be afraid at having an armed teacher.

Well then, the teachers who do not want to be armed, won't be armed. Simple. And, the kids won't know if a teacher is armed, or not. They call them "concealed" weapons for a reason.

 

[bluesneakers]

It seems the majority of people asking to arm teachers don't have adult classroom experience. Of course some teachers want to be armed, but the vast majority do not.

Teaching a class, which again, can have/usually has 30+ kids, requires enormous amounts of focus. There would be the constant fear of a kid getting into the gun, or a violent teacher snapping and shooting a kid or kids. Kids are curious and if there is a gun, they will try to find it. It will be a distraction. Many kids will be afraid at having an armed teacher.

Just google "teacher charged with abuse" and look at some of the horrific things that happen to children in the hands of those we entrust to teach and take care of them. Then imagine those abusers have access to loaded weapons. Nope. Nope. Nope.

 

[Tawny]

Well then, the teachers who do not want to be armed, won't be armed. Simple. And, the kids won't know if a teacher is armed, or not. They call them "concealed" weapons for a reason.

Another example of the public not realizing how easy it is to get information, how quickly gossip/info spreads in a school environment, and the liabilities involved in having any, much less just a few, teachers armed.