Gun Control Debate #4

[Gardenista]

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https://www.facebook.com/FLOTUS/posts/393252051144061

 

[SeesSeas]

According to the article I posted, everyone is vulnerable and there is nothing you can do about it once they go to court . Not even your family can save you. College professors. People living perfectly fine on their own. The court lets them take you

You'd have a fighting chance if you, in advance, file legal documents at your court. Not an attorney, but here is FL statute information about official declaration of a Pre-Need Guardian:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...g=&URL=0700-0799/0744/Sections/0744.3045.html
744.3045 Preneed guardian.—[FONT=&amp](1) A competent adult may name a preneed guardian by making a written declaration that names such guardian to serve in the event of the declarant’s incapacity.
(2) The written declaration must reasonably identify the declarant and preneed guardian and be signed by the declarant in the presence of at least two attesting witnesses present at the same time.
(3) The declarant may file the declaration with the clerk of the court. When a petition for incapacity is filed, the clerk shall produce the declaration.
(4) Production of the declaration in a proceeding for incapacity shall constitute a rebuttable presumption that the preneed guardian is entitled to serve as guardian. The court shall not be bound to appoint the preneed guardian if the preneed guardian is found to be unqualified to serve as guardian.
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[bears10]

I think if one reads the article I posted, one will see that this is a whole new ballgame by professionals that get courts to make themselves your guardian. You have no say in it. Your children cannot stop them. They drain your bank account for fees to take care of you. They get doctors to prescribe medication .

It is a whole new legal thing out there.

I read the superior article you posted.

Estate planning. End of life planning. These types of attorneys exist for a reason.

 

[flourish]

Proud of Kyle Kashuv. Meeting w/ leaders on both sides of the debate. Such a respectful young man.

https://*************/tipsheet/matt...ers-hung-up-on-the-trump-white-house-n2458324

Your link is not allowed could you find the same story elsewhere? Thanks

 

[bears10]

Of course not. No prudent person would reveal that to utter strangers on the internet. If you know someone who is vulnerable, help them consult an attorney.

Why not? I had a *great* experience here last night by revealing personal info. /s

 

[ohreally]

As a child I spent 6 years in Europe while my father was in the military. I have always dreamed of going back and visiting. Not any more. It's not guns that scare me away from Europe. It is the bombings and vehicles used for mass murders that scares me from traveling to Europe. They have so many attacks on public transportation, and as a tourist I would be using public transportation.
I do think a lot of our fears and concerns have to do with personal experiences. My mother that was raised in England during WWll is not scared at all to travel to Europe. She lived through the bombings.
We lived in Germany during the 72 Olympic attacks. We were stationed at a small base and were protected by German military police with thier automatic weapons standing in our yards. We were transported to school with 2 military police and thier automatics for a few months. My father had his gun to protect our family to protect his family. It didn't frighten me. It made me feel safe.
I grew up around guns and I know the dangers of guns in the wrong hands. I also believe that someone that is determined to be the next mass murderer will find a way to make a bomb if they cannot get thier hands on a gun of thier choice, killing more people than the gun would.

 

[human]

You'd have a fighting chance if you, in advance, file legal documents at your court. Not an attorney, but here is FL statute information about official declaration of a Pre-Need Guardian:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...g=&URL=0700-0799/0744/Sections/0744.3045.html
744.3045 Preneed guardian.—[FONT=&](1) A competent adult may name a preneed guardian by making a written declaration that names such guardian to serve in the event of the declarant’s incapacity.
(2) The written declaration must reasonably identify the declarant and preneed guardian and be signed by the declarant in the presence of at least two attesting witnesses present at the same time.
(3) The declarant may file the declaration with the clerk of the court. When a petition for incapacity is filed, the clerk shall produce the declaration.
(4) Production of the declaration in a proceeding for incapacity shall constitute a rebuttable presumption that the preneed guardian is entitled to serve as guardian. The court shall not be bound to appoint the preneed guardian if the preneed guardian is found to be unqualified to serve as guardian.
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Good info, Thanks. In the article I posted, the professional guardian had the daughter declared incompetent and unable by he court. All lies.

But, this preemptive approach sounds like an important step to take. I never heard of professional guardians

 

[human]

As a child I spent 6 years in Europe while my father was in the military. I have always dreamed of going back and visiting. Not any more. It's not guns that scare me away from Europe. It is the bombings and vehicles used for mass murders that scares me from traveling to Europe. They have so many attacks on public transportation, and as a tourist I would be using public transportation.
I do think a lot of our fears and concerns have to do with personal experiences. My mother that was raised in England during WWll is not scared at all to travel to Europe. She lived through the bombings.
We lived in Germany during the 72 Olympic attacks. We were stationed at a small base and were protected by German military police with thier automatic weapons standing in our yards. We were transported to school with 2 military police and thier automatics for a few months. My father had his gun to protect our family to protect his family. It didn't frighten me. It made me feel safe.
I grew up around guns and I know the dangers of guns in the wrong hands. I also believe that someone that is determined to be the next mass murderer will find a way to make a bomb if they cannot get thier hands on a gun of thier choice, killing more people than the gun would.

That is what is so interesting,People I know are terrified of the US. There are places I would not go, but generally I am not too worried.

Europeans that I meet are not concerned about Europe. They feel safe.

I was in Germany for the summer olympics and was not scared at all. But I felt a real sense of unease when I read about Watergate in der Spiegel. I could not read much German, but I sensed whatever happened was big.

The US base was not close to the Olympics , was it?

 

[Blef]

As a child I spent 6 years in Europe while my father was in the military. I have always dreamed of going back and visiting. Not any more. It's not guns that scare me away from Europe. It is the bombings and vehicles used for mass murders that scares me from traveling to Europe. They have so many attacks on public transportation, and as a tourist I would be using public transportation.
I do think a lot of our fears and concerns have to do with personal experiences. My mother that was raised in England during WWll is not scared at all to travel to Europe. She lived through the bombings.
We lived in Germany during the 72 Olympic attacks. We were stationed at a small base and were protected by German military police with thier automatic weapons standing in our yards. We were transported to school with 2 military police and thier automatics for a few months. My father had his gun to protect our family to protect his family. It didn't frighten me. It made me feel safe.
I grew up around guns and I know the dangers of guns in the wrong hands. I also believe that someone that is determined to be the next mass murderer will find a way to make a bomb if they cannot get thier hands on a gun of thier choice, killing more people than the gun would.

I hear you about the terrorism. I still have family in the UK. It's scary. Plus my oldest daughter lost a friend who she went to college with in the Ariana Grande bombing. Europe is having a tough time dealing with terrorism.

 

[flourish]

Good info, Thanks. In the article I posted, the professional guardian had the daughter declared incompetent and unable by he court. All lies.

But, this preemptive approach sounds like an important step to take. I never heard of professional guardians

I work with adults and children with intellectual disabilities. Some of the adults have no family, so there is a county board of guardians whose members are assigned to be their legal guardian and sign off on treatment plans and medical stuff. It's a voluntary position that takes up a lot of time and I very much appreciate the people who do it.

 

[Blef]

That is what is so interesting,People I know are terrified of the US. There are places I would not go, but generally I am not too worried.

Europeans that I meet are not concerned about Europe. They feel safe.

I was in Germany for the summer olympics and was not scared at all. But I felt a real sense of unease when I read about Watergate in der Spiegel. I could not read much German, but I sensed whatever happened was big.

The US base was not close to the Olympics , was it?

I agree with you too, while we Europeans will admit that we feel scared when a bombing has just happened, we are not so scared as to not go on with our lives. I've travelled extensively all over Europe and can't think of a time when I was worried about an imminent bombing. It's interesting though, that an American is scared to travel to Europe because of the bombings, and me as a Brit finds the US scary because of guns. Both big issues.

 

[bluesneakers]

As a child I spent 6 years in Europe while my father was in the military. I have always dreamed of going back and visiting. Not any more. It's not guns that scare me away from Europe. It is the bombings and vehicles used for mass murders that scares me from traveling to Europe. They have so many attacks on public transportation, and as a tourist I would be using public transportation.
I do think a lot of our fears and concerns have to do with personal experiences. My mother that was raised in England during WWll is not scared at all to travel to Europe. She lived through the bombings.
We lived in Germany during the 72 Olympic attacks. We were stationed at a small base and were protected by German military police with thier automatic weapons standing in our yards. We were transported to school with 2 military police and thier automatics for a few months. My father had his gun to protect our family to protect his family. It didn't frighten me. It made me feel safe.
I grew up around guns and I know the dangers of guns in the wrong hands. I also believe that someone that is determined to be the next mass murderer will find a way to make a bomb if they cannot get thier hands on a gun of thier choice, killing more people than the gun would.

Have you ever objectively looked at your risks though, and the odds of something happening to you in Europe vs. the odds of something happening to you in the USA? I know many people who have cancelled trips to Europe and the UK because they see the sensationalized stories about terror attacks and that makes them "feel" like they would be less safe on European soil. I agree those stories are terrifying, like the truck in Nice or the bombings in London, and I know feeling fear is a very real experience, but that doesn't mean it's right. However looking at the facts sometimes means realizing we're not as safe in the USA as they think we are, which isn't a fun fact to have to face either.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-States/Crime

Another difference between the US and other relatively safe developed nations is that the US has a much higher homicide rate than similarly “safe” countries. 14,827 people were murdered in the US last year. This is way down from the 24,526 US murders in 1993, yet still leaves the US at 4.8 murders per 100,000 citizens. In comparison, Japan has .4 murders per 100,000 residents. Germany has .8, Australia 1, France 1.1, and Britain–who has recently garnered media attention for being the most dangerous wealthy European nation– has 1.2.

https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/

Homicide Rate:

USA 5.3 per 100k

Germany .8 per 100k
Spain .7 per 100k
Norway .5 per 100k
France: 1.5 per 100k

Interactive map: http://homicide.igarape.org.br/

https://www.economist.com/news/inte...ome-hints-how-avoid-being-bumped-dicing-death

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Proud of Kyle Kashuv. Meeting w/ leaders on both sides of the debate. Such a respectful young man.

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Looks like your source isn’t valid — blocked from our site. What was it about? Do you have another msm media link that isn’t blocked? Tia

 

[Blef]

Have you ever objectively looked at your risks though, and the odds of something happening to you in Europe vs. the odds of something happening to you in the USA? I know many people who have cancelled trips to Europe and the UK because they see the sensationalized stories about terror attacks and that makes them "feel" like they would be less safe on European soil. I agree those stories are terrifying, like the truck in Nice or the bombings in London, and I know feeling fear is a very real experience, but that doesn't mean it's right. However looking at the facts sometimes means realizing we're not as safe in the USA as they think we are, which isn't a fun fact to have to face either.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-States/Crime


https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/

Homicide Rate:

USA 5.3 per 100k

Germany .8 per 100k
Spain .7 per 100k
Norway .5 per 100k
France: 1.5 per 100k

Interactive map: http://homicide.igarape.org.br/

https://www.economist.com/news/inte...ome-hints-how-avoid-being-bumped-dicing-death

OMG. I'm now going to be playing with the interactive map for hours lol

 

[Blef]

Maybe?

Why DeVos's Parkland Visit Failed

Oh dear lord! :silly:

"DeVos herself has also drawn ire for her public commentary on guns, most notoriously for her suggestion at her 2017 confirmation hearing that guns might have a place in schools because of the threat of grizzly bears."

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What is going on in Venezuela now? Is the Venezuelan government confiscating guns & bullets? What is happening to the citizens—starvation?

I’m not sure.....I’ve only heard rumors....

I’m confused, too. Links, anyone?

I did some news searches, but I’m mostly finding stories repeating rumors, commentary/opinion from politically partisan sources not allowed here and stories from 2012.

What are we talking about, y’all?

 

[ohreally]

That is what is so interesting,People I know are terrified of the US. There are places I would not go, but generally I am not too worried.

Europeans that I meet are not concerned about Europe. They feel safe.

I was in Germany for the summer olympics and was not scared at all. But I felt a real sense of unease when I read about Watergate in der Spiegel. I could not read much German, but I sensed whatever happened was big.

The US base was not close to the Olympics , was it?

Our base was an hour and half drive from Munich. My siblings were in high school at Munich AFB. They stayed during the week at the school and came home on weekends. I only brought it up because i believe we all have different life experiences, and I believe that people take thier sides based on thier experiences.
Those that have been raised around guns and feel protected by them are going to be on the pro gun rights, also hunters are going to be pro gun. Those that have not been around guns are not going to be for gun rights.
I have had a lot of my British relatives come and visit us in Florida, and none of them has said they were worried about visiting because of guns.

 

[MaryG12]

Now that I am home from work and done with supper:

I liked this quoted below from this piece. A sense of community definitely makes a difference, imo. How large is Kennesaw in population I wonder.


"City officials say their relationship with the community is a big factor in public safety."

Kennesaw has an approximate population of 32,000 according to the city's official site:


https://www.kennesaw-ga.gov/about-kennesaw/


I agree about the sense of community, kind of like Mayberry (remember "The Andy Griffith Show"?) where everyone played an active role, contributed something meaningful to the community. People who spent time with each other in person (granted, no electronic devices in Mayberry outside of the tv set; phones were rotary and had an operator) spent time doing things together. Real quality time spent with family and friends. There seems to be too little of that nowadays.

I lived 10 miles from there, at one point in my life. Everyone packed a firearm. I packed a knife at that time. Super nice folks. Never had any problem w/anyone.


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Ah, thank you Rsd1200, I was hoping someone from Kennesaw or nearby would give some input.

How does the murder and crime rate in Kennesaw compare to cities of similar population? Is it exceptional, or typical?

OK, for example, Rexburg, ID, a city of 26,733, the 2014 report has the following:


Violent crime: 9
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 0


Please see attached image for complete details:

From: https://www.ucrdatatool.gov/


This link is a very handy tool, it lets you generate reports on any crime data you are seeking.

 

[Lulu_la_Nantaise]

I agree with you too, while we Europeans will admit that we feel scared when a bombing has just happened, we are not so scared as to not go on with our lives. I've travelled extensively all over Europe and can't think of a time when I was worried about an imminent bombing. It's interesting though, that an American is scared to travel to Europe because of the bombings, and me as a Brit finds the US scary because of guns. Both big issues.

The point in Europe is that making a bomb requires skill and knowledge. Killing with a gun requires a gun.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Oh dear lord! :silly:

"DeVos herself has also drawn ire for her public commentary on guns, most notoriously for her suggestion at her 2017 confirmation hearing that guns might have a place in schools because of the threat of grizzly bears."

Geez. Bears are especially deadly when they’re armed with AR-15s. Why isn’t anyone talking about that?!?

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