Gun Control Debate #4

[Jennifer17]

Agree. I'm not going to just sit there and let someone break in and murder me. I got my first firearm at age 19, I have also packed a knife as well, but I've never been accused "buying" into the knife culture. I'm not a felon, I've never been arrested, I'm a productive member of society, and WE kept our firearms out of the hands of our children. If folks are going to denigrate the firearm owners, in this forum, and even drill it down to women, specifically, then they are losing valuable insight into the discussion in this forum. I think it has just become quite clear that firearm owner's opinions are of no value to this group to be quite honest.

ETA: FWIW, I've never worshiped any man in my life. I got along without one before I got this one, and I can do so again. He's here only because he's my best friend.

How likely is it that some man is going to break in and murder you? I can honestly say, that that has never, ever been a number one fear of mine. I did fear my ex husband on a few occasions and was at more danger from him, than any random stranger who broke into my house to murder me.

 

[human]

There are better articles but this is one about boys and crying. That sadness that is not exoressed in crying comes out in anger in boys.

Maybe if boys expressed emotion, they would not have to resort to violence.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...11/boys-who-cry-might-have-it-all-figured-out

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Hoplophobia

Protection is something that we all value and want as members of society. There are many different ways to protect yourself against any dangers you may face. Many believe that our first line of defense should be our law enforcement system. They have been set in place to provide security for our communities. For those who rely solely on law enforcement, it may be due to an exaggerated fear of firearms called Hoplophobia.

https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/hoplophobia/

 

[Jennifer17]

Hoplophobia

Protection is something that we all value and want as members of society. There are many different ways to protect yourself against any dangers you may face. Many believe that our first line of defense should be our law enforcement system. They have been set in place to provide security for our communities. For those who rely solely on law enforcement, it may be due to an exaggerated fear of firearms called Hoplophobia.

https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/hoplophobia/

There are thousands of children in schools where mass shootings have occurred who just may have Hoplophobia with good reason.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Outside this insular authority envelope, the complexities include fear of what they themselves might do (“crack&#8221 if they were even near a real gun, fear of what others with a gun might do, fear that a gun could go off all by itself, fear that a gun could make them or other people who have one in their possession “go crazy,” or that even proximity could cause such a reaction. Some hoplophobes fear that possession would lead them to being perceived as a murderer, or lead to their being attacked, being disarmed and shot with their own gun, killed, crippled, etc. A host of fantasies swirl in the hoplophobes mind.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/01/hoplophobia-gun-fear-is-hoplophobia-real/2/

 

[human]

Hoplophobia

Protection is something that we all value and want as members of society. There are many different ways to protect yourself against any dangers you may face. Many believe that our first line of defense should be our law enforcement system. They have been set in place to provide security for our communities. For those who rely solely on law enforcement, it may be due to an exaggerated fear of firearms called Hoplophobia.

https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/hoplophobia/

I think some of us don’t focus on life as danger. It is beyond me to think that I would be willing to live life as a scaredy cat.

Embrace life!

 

[rsd1200]

For those who may have missed it along the way, I travel quite a bit. In various cities and long stretches of road where there will be no one to help for a while if my vehicle breaks down. Many times I have a child with me. I travel with my firearm. Don't like it? Oh well. I don't really give a damn about myself, but I'll fight, til the bitter end, over my kids.

I do not carry unless I'm traveling. I've stated this repeatedly through four threads.

 

[flourish]

Hoplophobia

Protection is something that we all value and want as members of society. There are many different ways to protect yourself against any dangers you may face. Many believe that our first line of defense should be our law enforcement system. They have been set in place to provide security for our communities. For those who rely solely on law enforcement, it may be due to an exaggerated fear of firearms called Hoplophobia.

https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/hoplophobia/

Sigh
SMH
Ugh

Hoplophobia is a tongue-in-cheek neurosis "discovered" in 1962 by firearms instructor Jeff Cooper to mock those who think guns have free will. Or*any*will for that matter.

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_411049.html

 

[flourish]

There are thousands of children in schools where mass shootings have occurred who just may have Hoplophobia with good reason.

It's only a phobia when it's irrational.

 

[Jennifer17]

Outside this insular authority envelope, the complexities include fear of what they themselves might do (“crack&#8221 if they were even near a real gun, fear of what others with a gun might do, fear that a gun could go off all by itself, fear that a gun could make them or other people who have one in their possession “go crazy,” or that even proximity could cause such a reaction. Some hoplophobes fear that possession would lead them to being perceived as a murderer, or lead to their being attacked, being disarmed and shot with their own gun, killed, crippled, etc. A host of fantasies swirl in the hoplophobes mind.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/01/hoplophobia-gun-fear-is-hoplophobia-real/2/

I think that the fantasies of violence are in the gun owners minds.

 

[flourish]

Outside this insular authority envelope, the complexities include fear of what they themselves might do (“crack”) if they were even near a real gun, fear of what others with a gun might do, fear that a gun could go off all by itself, fear that a gun could make them or other people who have one in their possession “go crazy,” or that even proximity could cause such a reaction. Some hoplophobes fear that possession would lead them to being perceived as a murderer, or lead to their being attacked, being disarmed and shot with their own gun, killed, crippled, etc. A host of fantasies swirl in the hoplophobes mind.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/01/hoplophobia-gun-fear-is-hoplophobia-real/2/

GMAFB

Your "source" lists that as real but homophobia as a "fictional phobia."

Abhorrent. Seriously.

 

[flourish]

"Hoplophobia*is a political*neologismcoined by retired American military officer*Jeff Cooper*as pejorative*to describe an "irrational aversion to weapons."[1][2][3]*It is also used to describe the "fear of firearms"[4][5]*or the "fear of armed citizens."[6]*Hoplophobia is a political term and not a recognized medical*phobia."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

 

[Karinna]

Agree. I'm not going to just sit there and let someone break in and murder me. I got my first firearm at age 19, I have also packed a knife as well, but I've never been accused "buying" into the knife culture. I'm not a felon, I've never been arrested, I'm a productive member of society, and WE kept our firearms out of the hands of our children. If folks are going to denigrate the firearm owners, in this forum, and even drill it down to women, specifically, then they are losing valuable insight into the discussion in this forum. I think it has just become quite clear that firearm owner's opinions are of no value to this group to be quite honest.

ETA: FWIW, I've never worshiped any man in my life. I got along without one before I got this one, and I can do so again. He's here only because he's my best friend.

I hear you rsd, and totally agree with what you're saying. And IMO out of the millions of gun owners in America, i think a lot are law abiding citizens just like you are. And i also think if someone is demented enough to want to go out and shoot people en mass, then they will find a way to obtain a weapon, possibly on the black market if that is the only way they can get such a firearm, and carry out their hateful actions onto innocent people and there may not be any way to stop that unless someone is aware of their intentions to do so. As they say, where there's a will there is a way and that is what that person will look for if they are determined. All IMO.

 

[rsd1200]

Outside this insular authority envelope, the complexities include fear of what they themselves might do (“crack&#8221 if they were even near a real gun, fear of what others with a gun might do, fear that a gun could go off all by itself, fear that a gun could make them or other people who have one in their possession “go crazy,” or that even proximity could cause such a reaction. Some hoplophobes fear that possession would lead them to being perceived as a murderer, or lead to their being attacked, being disarmed and shot with their own gun, killed, crippled, etc. A host of fantasies swirl in the hoplophobes mind.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/01/hoplophobia-gun-fear-is-hoplophobia-real/2/

My mother fears them. Dad always had them for hunting and he kept a pistol to travel with, for the same reason I do. The night those folks tried to break into our motel room, that revolver, and my Dad's strong voice, made them leave. That stuck with me. They'd have come in and no telling how it would have ended, if we'd thrown a lamp at them. I'm sure they were just looking for a friendly game of Rook though... No matter if Mom did fear them, she'd have Dad give her a once over on the shotgun before he left for hunting trips, and she'd have nailed someone if it meant protecting us kids. Period. She may not have liked them but she would use one if she had to.

 

[rsd1200]

I hear you rsd, and totally agree with what you're saying. And IMO out of the millions of gun owners in America, i think a lot are law abiding citizens just like you are. And i also think if someone is demented enough to want to go out and shoot people en mass, then they will find a way to obtain a weapon, possibly on the black market if that is the only way they can get such a firearm, and carry out their hateful actions onto innocent people and there may not be any way to stop that unless someone is aware of their intentions to do so. As they say, where there's a will there is a way and that is what that person will look for if they are determined. All IMO.

Some things may slow them down, but, it they'll find a way. Btw, I've meant to tell you, I like the signature, Free Leonard Peltier!

 

[flourish]

Look, we've collectively decided, as a country, that the occasional massacre is okay with us. It's the price we're willing to pay for our precious Second Amendment freedoms. We're content to forfeit the lives of a few dozen schoolkids a year as long as we get to keep our guns. The people have spoken, in a cheering civics-class example of democracy in action.

It's hard to imagine what ghastly catastrophe could possibly change America's minds about guns if the little bloody bookbags of Newtown did not.*

http://theweek.com/articles/446582/there-no-catastrophe-ghastly-that-america-reform-gun-laws

 

[Safeguard]

Some things may slow them down, but, it they'll find a way. Btw, I've meant to tell you, I like the signature, Free Leonard Peltier!

Rsd1200, I appreciate your contributions here, but I feel they are being wasted sadly.
It's hard to take seriously, a debate forum, where posters post such illuminating insights as inferring,

"Gun owners are Scaredy Cats, but not Meeeeee!" Uhhggg.

I popped in to see how it was going but I should have known... :/

 

[Jennifer17]

http://theweek.com/articles/446582/there-no-catastrophe-ghastly-that-america-reform-gun-laws

Some of the little children killed at Sandy Hook, could only be identified by their parents by the remnants of the bloody clothing that they were wearing. Their faces were destroyed beyond recognition. Imagine that.

 

[Jennifer17]

Rsd1200, I appreciate you contributions here, but I feel they are being wasted sadly.
It's hard to take seriously, a debate forum, where posters post such illuminating insights as inferring,

"Gun owners are Scaredy Cats, but not Meeeeee!" Uhhggg.

I popped in to see how it was going but I should have known... :/

You could add your solutions of preventing mass shootings to the debate.

 

[Safeguard]

Some of the little children killed at Sandy Hook, could only be identified by their parents by the remnants of the bloody clothing that they were wearing. Their faces were destroyed beyond recognition. Imagine that.

They were all huddled in a corner with an un-armed teacher... Imagine that indeed. Duck your heads kids, there's nothing I can do..