Gun Control Debate #4

[bears10]

And, thankfully, you’re still with us, bears10. ❤️

Thank you. I have an amazing family and amazing friends. I just had some dark times. I am blessed to have a wonderful life and thank the lord every day for what he’s given me.

 

[bluesneakers]

You’d be hard pressed to get me to do a survey or discuss my darkest days for the purpose of a study. It’s not something I enjoy talking about, and I can imagine many others feel the same as myself. I regret sharing my experience with you all since you just want to shove “facts” and “statistics” in my face when I can tell you that those statistics may not be accurate.

Are you looking at the sources of those facts? NIH, Harvard School of Medicine, New England Journal of Medicine, etc. They are extensive studies done by professionals who care and are invested in the outcome and accuracy of the studies. I'm sorry for what you went through. Many people have been through it which is why we have the facts and figures we do.

 

[Jennifer17]

Have you literally read none of my posts? I could learn a lot about suicide??!! I. Was. Suicidal. JFC.

None of us here, know the tragedies and the dark thoughts that others here may have endured.

 

[bluesneakers]

Have you literally read none of my posts? I could learn a lot about suicide??!! I. Was. Suicidal. JFC.

But you seem to think there's nothing anyone can do about it, or that there is no connection between guns and suicide. I'm not discounting your experience, I believe you know your own story, obviously, but there is a lot of information out there you could learn from.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thank you. I have an amazing family and amazing friends. I just had some dark times. I am blessed to have a wonderful life and thank the lord every day for what he’s given me.

I admire your strength and resilience. I’ve made it through some dark, dark days, as well. Thank you for sharing here; it’s courageous, and ime too, it isn’t something that’s easy to talk about.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Wow.....scrolling and rolling......smh....

 

[rsd1200]

I know that there are certain state reports, and information that has to be included in them, if they are to recieve any federal funding. Why would the govt. not just say, we want X reported, in X format, by X time with X information?

Why?

“The CDC researches all threats to the health of Americans, and being shot dead is a significant risk to health,” Novella wrote recently. “The CDC also researches deaths from car crashes, and how to mitigate those deaths, for example.”
But there is more or less a federal prohibition on government dollars being spent on public health research about firearms.
It is known as the Dickey Amendment, first approved by Congress in the 1990s. Its effective ban on federal taxpayer money being spent on research that could lead to gun control has since spread from the CDC to the NIH, the federal agencies primarily tasked with protecting the public health. As Vox’s German Lopez wrote back in 2015:

Stopping this kind of research is exactly what pro-gun groups like the National Rifle Association (NRA) wanted when they supported the ban. For decades, the NRA and other gun rights advocates have done everything they can to stop the treatment of firearms as a public health issue — even as these weapons kill tens of thousands of Americans each year.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17058236/gun-control-research-parkland-shooting

 

[Poppyflower]

Wow.....scrolling and rolling......smh....

I thought scrolling and rolling meant not replying??

 

[bears10]

But you seem to think there's nothing anyone can do about it, or that there is no connection between guns and suicide. I'm not discounting your experience, I believe you know your own story, obviously, but there is a lot of information out there you could learn from.

Thanks for your concern regarding my knowledge, but I think informed enough. I am not saying there is no connection between guns and suicide. All of the Harvard studies in the world can tell me their findings. Those findings are from the people they interviewed or studied, whatever the correct term is.

As I mentioned before. I got a letter in the mail today from the NRA. Which included a survey they basically begged to be sent back to them. I would not be surprised if they sent this mailing to registered Republicans, because the results of their survey would fit their narrative.

I’m not saying any of your academic studies have a narrative. But suicide is a very sensitive and personal topic that many people do not like to discuss.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I thought scrolling and rolling meant not replying??

As an FYI, one can reply to a post by choosing “reply” or “reply with quote”.

 

[bluesneakers]

None of us here, know the tragedies and the dark thoughts that others here may have endured.

So true.

 

[Poppyflower]

As an FYI, one can reply to a post by choosing “reply” or “reply with quote”.

Thanks?

 

[MaryG12]

Murder
by State, Types of Weapons, 2016

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

FL is missing. AZ and CT are in there, the other two states I lived in, the latter being my birth/childhood state. We had virtually no crime where we lived, which was a middle-class to upper-middle-class neighborhood, our neighbors included a judge, a few doctors, an attorney, superintendent, then-owner of Lake Compounce, one of the nation's oldest amusement parks.

So in reading the population statistics:

WY - 585,501 (2016)
CT - 3.576 million (2016)
FL - 20.61 million (2016) (not included in the report)

And the rate of growth and land development in FL is not helping too much, either. We basically have two major highways, one on either side of the state: I-95 on the east side, I-75 on the west side. Both of which lead to states north of FL. Which are packed to capacity this time of the year. It is mind boggling to see so many vehicles with NY plates this year. Last year it was MI and the year before, IL.

I wonder if that "Other Weapons" in that FBI link includes trowels...

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I know that there are certain state reports, and information that has to be included in them, if they are to recieve any federal funding. Why would the govt. not just say, we want X reported, in X format, by X time with X information?

Why?

“The CDC researches all threats to the health of Americans, and being shot dead is a significant risk to health,” Novella wrote recently. “The CDC also researches deaths from car crashes, and how to mitigate those deaths, for example.”
But there is more or less a federal prohibition on government dollars being spent on public health research about firearms.
It is known as the Dickey Amendment, first approved by Congress in the 1990s. Its effective ban on federal taxpayer money being spent on research that could lead to gun control has since spread from the CDC to the NIH, the federal agencies primarily tasked with protecting the public health. As Vox’s German Lopez wrote back in 2015:

Stopping this kind of research is exactly what pro-gun groups like the National Rifle Association (NRA) wanted when they supported the ban. For decades, the NRA and other gun rights advocates have done everything they can to stop the treatment of firearms as a public health issue — even as these weapons kill tens of thousands of Americans each year.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17058236/gun-control-research-parkland-shooting

^^^^ SO MUCH TRUTH ^^^^

*roaring applause*

Great post. Thank you.

 

[bluesneakers]

I thought scrolling and rolling meant not replying??

I did too, but sometimes people post this as advice or a reminder to others.

 

[bears10]

None of us here, know the tragedies and the dark thoughts that others here may have endured.

Except when they blatantly tell you.

 

[bluesneakers]

I know that there are certain state reports, and information that has to be included in them, if they are to recieve any federal funding. Why would the govt. not just say, we want X reported, in X format, by X time with X information?

Why?

“The CDC researches all threats to the health of Americans, and being shot dead is a significant risk to health,” Novella wrote recently. “The CDC also researches deaths from car crashes, and how to mitigate those deaths, for example.”
But there is more or less a federal prohibition on government dollars being spent on public health research about firearms.
It is known as the Dickey Amendment, first approved by Congress in the 1990s. Its effective ban on federal taxpayer money being spent on research that could lead to gun control has since spread from the CDC to the NIH, the federal agencies primarily tasked with protecting the public health. As Vox’s German Lopez wrote back in 2015:

Stopping this kind of research is exactly what pro-gun groups like the National Rifle Association (NRA) wanted when they supported the ban. For decades, the NRA and other gun rights advocates have done everything they can to stop the treatment of firearms as a public health issue — even as these weapons kill tens of thousands of Americans each year.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17058236/gun-control-research-parkland-shooting

This is just madness. There are so many times it seems the NRA is another branch of government. It has to to stop.

 

[rsd1200]

Does anyone hear think that big $$lawsuits$$ will create a change in gun laws? I’m hearing there’s some lawsuits beginning against the Broward School system & also the FBI.....

Maybe? If they win.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The public has spoken on gun control. Don’t wait for the White House.

WaPo Editorial Board

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...df0324-20b5-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

St. Teresa's students stage walkout, demanding gun reform

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/st-teresas-students-stage-walkout-demanding-gun-reform