Gun Control Debate #4

[BayouBelle_LA]

I love the viewpoints of people from other countries. You cut straight thrugh the bs because you do not have to have a rose colored look at the US.

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

As a suicide survivor who lost their wife, I found the comment made by Bears10 extremely unhelpful and insensitive.

I interpreted bears’ comment as personal and she emphasized she was speaking to her experience only, and did not intend to extrapolate to everyone everywhere.

I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this kind of loss of someone so very close to you. ((((((hug))))))

It’s an emotional subject, and rightfully so. I believe bears was opening up about her own experience, dark days and pain, which is courageous, imo. Her statements should be read in context of that, I think.

I also believe the thread through all of this discussion is that, regardless of attempted method, suicide is a huge elephant in the room when discussing mental health care and resources in this country.

Some of us do get to the point where the method is irrelevant. They’re not considering firearms or drugs or hanging or whatever. They don’t care.

They’re attempting whatever method they can find because they’re feeing irredeemable hopelessness and pain.

And I believe bears’ point was that, FOR HER, the above is the larger issue.

Bears, anyone else, I don’t mean to speak for y’all. It’s just my interpretation only!!

 

[flourish]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

Oh like non teachers recommending teachers be armed.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

I was thinking this very thought and phrase yesterday.

It’s “third party” insight, and it reminds me that what people believe to be right and what’s actually possible isn’t always the same thing.

Their insight does add perspective that I value and consider, too. Their point of view isn’t irrelevant, imo.

This is a gun debate thread. It’s not labeled as specifically for Americans, though we do tend to dominate the discussion. [emoji6]

 

[Blef]

I interpreted bears’ comment as personal and she emphasized she was speaking to her experience only, and did not intend to extrapolate to everyone everywhere.

I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this kind of loss of someone so very close to you. ((((((hug))))))

It’s an emotional subject, and rightfully so. I believe bears was opening up about her own experience, dark days and pain, which is courageous, imo. Her statements should be read in context of that, I think.

I also believe the thread through all of this discussion is that, regardless of attempted method, suicide is a huge elephant in the room when discussing mental health care and resources in this country.

Some of us do get to the point where the method is irrelevant. They’re not considering firearms or drugs or hanging or whatever. They don’t care.

They’re attempting whatever method they can find because they’re feeing irredeemable hopelessness and pain.

And I believe bears’ point was that, FOR HER, the above is the larger issue.

Bears, anyone else, I don’t mean to speak for y’all. It’s just my interpretation only!!

I get that, and I read the comments after. I'm not denying Bears feelings or experiences either, I have been in that awful place too. Still have feelings that terrify me at times. However after my wife's suicide I did a lot of reading about it, because I blamed myself and wondered what I could have done. Having access to a gun increases the risk of suicide completion, and guns are one of the most lethal suicide methods out there. I'm not debating about feelings, as they are subjective, however academic evidence shows that removing methods of being able to suicide DO decrease suicides being completed.

Mental health care is lacking, not just in the US, and that has to be addressed. But it will take years to implement change in a system that is woefully underfunded, and still stigmatised. Stricter gun control can make actual changes a lot quicker than anything, but better mental health care is something that needs to be addressed too.

 

[Blef]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

So because I'm not American, I can't offer my opinion? Or do I not care about people losing their lives because of gun crime? You don't think that it doesn't affect me to see someone lose their loved one? If someone in MA shoots up a school, I'm sure I'm as affected here in NS as someone who lives in AZ. Society doesn't end at that invisible line on the map that delineates a country. The world is more than separate nations.

 

[human]

Did I say I'd lived in any I other? I said I'd not heard of any any others without warts of their own. I've traveled all over this beautiful country of mine and met some of the most amazing people along the way. From east to west and north to south. My home state is my favorite though, but, I don't go to other folk's states and denigrate their home state. It's their home, this is my home.

It is hard to know what somewhere is like unless one has actually been there. Being from MN, I can say that MN is superior to most states. I can say that because I have been to other states.

Unless one has been to other countries, it is impossible to understand, I feel.

I feel that things are so superior. For instance, the Netherlands. The British Isles.

 

[CoolJ]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

Excuse me. But, no skin in the game? Are you serious?

Where do you think criminals in Canada get their guns from?

It DIRECTLY effects us.

 

[Blef]

Did I say I'd lived in any I other? I said I'd not heard of any any others without warts of their own. I've traveled all over this beautiful country of mine and met some of the most amazing people along the way. From east to west and north to south. My home state is my favorite though, but, I don't go to other folk's states anddenigrate their home state. It's their home, this is my home.

RBBM. I don't believe I'm denigrating your country. Believe me the UK has it's own problems, but they don't really need to be discussed here as gun control isn't one of them. I do believe that your country has issues with gun control, which can be backed up by evidence and data. That's not denigrating your country. Believe me, I do like your home country, I would just like to see all you guys living in a safer environment where children can go to school without the fear of someone shooting them.

 

[Blef]

Excuse me. But, no skin in the game? Are you serious?

Where do you think criminals in Canada get their guns from?

It DIRECTLY effects us.

Did you not know that invisible line on the globe is a safety shield? (sarcasm by the way just in case anyone thinks I'm serious lol)

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It is hard to know what somewhere is like unless one has actually been there. Being from MN, I can say that MN is superior to most states. I can say that because I have been to other states.

Unless one has been to other countries, it is impossible to understand, I feel.

I feel that things are so superior. For instance, the Netherlands. The British Isles.

Don't get me wrong, other places are great to visit. I've traveled enough to know that I'm always glad when my feet are back on American soil.

 

[rsd1200]

It is hard to know what somewhere is like unless one has actually been there. Being from MN, I can say that MN is superior to most states. I can say that because I have been to other states.

Unless one has been to other countries, it is impossible to understand, I feel.

I feel that things are so superior. For instance, the Netherlands. The British Isles.

Ive been to MN too and I disagree.

So I guess folks who haven't lived in, or traveled, the U.S. have nothing to offer in the discussion, according to you?

"Unless one has been to other countries, it is impossible to understand, I feel."

I dont mind input from others in other countries, I do mind folks acting superior, and/or snarky. It adds nothing to the discussion.

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[bluedivergirl]

It is hard to know what somewhere is like unless one has actually been there. Being from MN, I can say that MN is superior to most states. I can say that because I have been to other states.

Unless one has been to other countries, it is impossible to understand, I feel.

I feel that things are so superior. For instance, the Netherlands. The British Isles.

I disagree with your first statement. I lived in Minnesota for 58 of my 61 years. I am now in Florida, and much happier.

 

[human]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

Actually, it does affect people. Relatives. Visiting the US. People are afraid to travel to the US.

Just as the US has travel warnings for other countries, countries have travel warnings for the US.

Other countries have expressed concern about American violence affecting their population, Rsd posted the links to how some European countries have cut violence out of some American movies .

And of course the guns that come into their countries from arms dealers as well as Americans bringing weapons and selling them to people.

It is not illegal to have weapons in checked luggage. Or if people travel by sailboat.

All countries are affected by Anerican violence

 

[human]

I was thinking this very thought and phrase yesterday.

It’s “third party” insight, and it reminds me that what people believe to be right and what’s actually possible isn’t always the same thing.

Their insight does add perspective that I value and consider, too. Their point of view isn’t irrelevant, imo.

This is a gun debate thread. It’s not labeled as specifically for Americans, though we do tend to dominate the discussion. [emoji6]

Some things are hypothetical. Some things are real such as the gun laws of England and Australia. It would be interesting to see if their universal health care is used by people for mental health. Is that a piece of the puzzle as well?

Why America refuses to learn from others is beyond me. What I see is countries moving forward and thinking America is irrelevant.

Think of the American car industry. America insisted on making gas guzzlers that fell apart. Japan made superior cars and people bought them.

Remember when made in Japan was a joke? Wait until made in China becomes desireable, not a mark of shoddy goods.

 

[MaryG12]

Guns are required by law in this American town


http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/nati...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


While Kennesaw is one of Georgia’s safer cities – with only one murder in the last six years – Graydon says the gun law may only be one reason why.

 

[Blef]

Guns are required by law in this American town


http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/nati...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


While Kennesaw is one of Georgia’s safer cities – with only one murder in the last six years – Graydon says the gun law may only be one reason why.

I liked this quoted below from this piece. A sense of community definitely makes a difference, imo. How large is Kennesaw in population I wonder.

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"City officials say their relationship with the community is a big factor in public safety."​

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[human]

I disagree with your first statement. I lived in Minnesota for 58 of my 61 years. I am now in Florida, and much happier.

Love the traffic! Be careful parking at a shopping center. Never know who is waiting for you! And Dave Barry’s book on Florida is a good one to read.

This is a very long article. It talks about guardians who take over the lives of seniors totally legally. Florida is a state that is especially ripe for this. The article focuses on a couple in Nevada.

I had never heard of such a thing. Totally legal!

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights

 

[bluedivergirl]

Love the traffic! Be careful parking at a shopping center. Never know who is waiting for you! And Dave Barry’s book on Florida is a good one to read.

This is a very long article. It talks about guardians who take over the lives of seniors totally legally. Florida is a state that is especially ripe for this. The article focuses on a couple in Nevada.

I had never heard of such a thing. Totally legal!

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights

I'll be fine. Thanks for your concern.

 

[bluesneakers]

Or maybe it's because they have 'no skin in the game'. It's easy to say what should and shouldn't be done when it doesn't directly affect you.

People who live in other countries don't have friends and family members living in the USA? They never visit America?