Gun Control Debate #4

[rsd1200]

An analysis performed for CNN found that states that have enacted magazine restrictions are associated with fewer mass shooting events.

"Whether a state has a large capacity ammunition magazine ban is the single best predictor of the mass shooting rate in that state, " said Michael Siegel, a community health science professor at Boston University, who conducted the analysis. These states are associated with a 63% lower rate of mass shootings, according to his analysis.

These bans, which are present in eight states, reduce the maximum total number of rounds that can be shot before reloading to 10 or 15. One state, Hawaii, only restricts the magazine size of handguns. The analysis was completed over the other seven states: California, Connecticut, Colorado, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York between 2012 and 2016.

"In a state where magazines are banned, the state might say we're going to establish an amnesty period during which we very strongly encourage people to turn in these magazines," he said. "And that will be that."


https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/gun-laws-magazines-las-vegas/index.html

 

[ohreally]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghost-guns-shooting-rancho-tehama-california/
This IMO is why people that legally own semi automatic weapons do not want to give up thier right to own one.
When they can be so easily made and untraceable if there is a law that takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens the mass shootings will continue. The mass murderer will just make thier own.

 

[Tricia]

No Politics. Also, this is not a death penalty discussion.

If you post does not directly relate to gun control do not post it in this thread.

Done with warnings. Don't care if you are so brand new you are still a fetus. You have to learn the rules and if you don't then
you will not be warned if you make a mistake.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[Deleted member 39678]

San Bernardino Shooting update: Rifles used in attack were modified to be illegal

The other rifle - a .223 caliber DPMS A-15 - was modified to accept a high-capacity magazine, and to bypass the so-called bullet button, which makes removing a magazine easier, Davis said.

California bans guns with magazines that detach for quick reloading. Since 2000 the state has banned the sale or manufacture of magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.
At least four magazines designed to hold 30 rounds were recovered from the Inland Regional Center.

In my opinion a national ban of high capacity magazines will not make the ones already here disappear or prevent new ones from being brought into the country for use by criminals.

https://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/04/56040/san-bernardino-shooting-update-rifles-used-in-atta/

 

[Lulu_la_Nantaise]

San Bernardino Shooting update: Rifles used in attack were modified to be illegal




In my opinion a national ban of high capacity magazines will not make the ones already here disappear or prevent new ones from being brought into the country for use by criminals.

https://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/04/56040/san-bernardino-shooting-update-rifles-used-in-atta/

Making murder illegal never made murder disappear.

But it helped.

 

[Jennifer17]

San Bernardino Shooting update: Rifles used in attack were modified to be illegal




In my opinion a national ban of high capacity magazines will not make the ones already here disappear or prevent new ones from being brought into the country for use by criminals.

https://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/04/56040/san-bernardino-shooting-update-rifles-used-in-atta/

By and large, the mass shooters have not been criminals.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

One gun control attempt that misfires

The reality is that it appears these laws have had no effect in Sunnyvale and San Francisco, which have had their bans since 2013.

No one in either of these cities has ever — not once — turned in a high-capacity magazine to police.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...gun-control-attempt-that-misfires-6791466.php

 

[Deleted member 39678]

By and large, the mass shooters have not been criminals.

I would say that killing multiple people is a crime. A very horrendous crime. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Making murder illegal never made murder disappear.

But it helped.

Exactly. These miscreants will always find a way to kill no matter what kind of gun control is enacted. JMO

 

[rsd1200]

Maybe it's time we learned from within. I'd guess that there are hunters, collectors, and sporting shooters (target, skeet, etc...), in all of our states.

From link, provided below, which shows rates of firearm ownership, deaths, suicides, restrictions, in various states, and how they compare to one another.

Firearm legislation is a much discussed issue these days, and there are many opinions that surround it. Statistics can even be unpacked to adhere to certain viewpoints on the topic. For example, the U.S. has the highest rate of gun violence when compared with Western Europe, but falls around the median when compared with countries in North and South America.
Similarly, some states have more issues with firearms than others.

The South, in particular, is a consistently high-risk area for firearm violence, while California and much of the Northeast have per capita rates that pale in comparison. However, some states with strict gun laws, such as Illinois, can still have significant rates of gun deaths, while states with extremely lax gun legislation, such as Arizona, aren’t quite as high on the list as you might expect.

Knowing the facts about firearms, crime trends in the U.S., and the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of gun legislation are a vital part of staying safe and informed. Continue reading to see the relationship between gun laws and gun deaths in the U.S.

(one chart example)

https://www.safehome.org/resources/gun-laws-and-deaths/

 

[bluesneakers]

By and large, the mass shooters have not been criminals.

Right, and..

More Than 80 Percent of Guns Used in Mass Shootings Obtained Legally

Eighty-two percent of weapons involved in mass shootings over the last three decades have been bought legally, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine that defines a mass shooting as taking the lives of at least four people in a public place. Using that criteria, Mother Jones found 73 mass shootings since 1982.

 

[Jennifer17]

I would say that killing multiple people is a crime. A very horrendous crime. JMO

Most of them were law abiding gun owners until they weren't

 

[Lulu_la_Nantaise]

Exactly. These miscreants will always find a way to kill no matter what kind of gun control is enacted. JMO

... why do you insist on helping them then

 

[rsd1200]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghost-guns-shooting-rancho-tehama-california/
This IMO is why people that legally own semi automatic weapons do not want to give up thier right to own one.
When they can be so easily made and untraceable if there is a law that takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens the mass shootings will continue. The mass murderer will just make thier own.

People find a way around anything if they want to do something bad enough, but, it's been proven that lessening the magazine number has been effective. I'd go as far as to not allow them to be made w/ a detachable magazine, and only w/a 10 limit on what the built in mag will hold. No popping spent ones in and out. They'd have to stop to reload. Can they make something at home? Yes. Is there a law against making bombs at home? Yes. Do folks still do it? Yes. Look at Columbine.

We have to meet /start somewhere though.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Most of them were law abiding gun owners until they weren't

Kind of like people will obey gun control laws until they don't.

 

[bluesneakers]

Most of them were law abiding gun owners until they weren't

Just like the gun owners who mistakenly shoot their children or are shot by their children. Or shoot family members in the heat of an argument, or shoot themselves. Everything was peachy until then.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

... why do you insist on helping them then

I'm not for helping anyone kill innocent people.

 

[rsd1200]

If states would adopt more uniform laws, or Congress would step up to the plate, that would help too.

The White House specifically pointed to Chicago and Baltimore as “some of America’s cities with the strictest gun laws” coupled with “the highest rates of gun violence.” While the statement has some merit — Chicago and Baltimore had the first and third most murders nationally in 20161 — evidence suggests a city or state’s gun laws may only be as effective as those of the state next door.

The relationship between state gun laws and the flow of firearms between states can be measured using data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which traces guns’ origins and where law enforcement recovers them. An analysis of data from 107 pairs of bordering states2 throughout the country shows a relationship between the strictness of a state’s gun laws relative to its neighbor and the number of firearms recovered3 from that neighbor.4

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/

 

[bluesneakers]

... why do you insist on helping them then

I wonder that too. It's a sad and defeatist attitude, and one that doesn't require a lot of critical thought. People like things to be easy and they are afraid their guns will be taken away. But what if we apply the same logic to drunk driving? Maybe some will still do it but maybe some won't. Why not try something instead of nothing?

 

[rsd1200]

I'm not for helping anyone kill innocent people.

I understand. However, drugs are illegal. Although some will still break the law and folks will die, they moved enough fentanyl of the streets recently to kill everyone in my county. I've seen a drop in Heroin overdoses. Will folks still get Heroin? Probably, but maybe they won't die now. Maybe they can survive, to get help.