Gun Control Debate #4

[bluesneakers]

[/B]That surprises me. From where do the US import firearms?

For sure Austria (Glock), Germany (SIG SAUER), and Italy (Beretta).

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

2018 article (bbm)

A third of guns in the US are imported, and foreign firearms makers want a say on gun control

https://qz.com/1222436/a-third-of-g...k-and-beretta-want-a-say-on-gun-control-laws/

American gun manufacturers aren’t the only firms that want gun laws to remain lenient: The US imports about a third of its firearms, most of which are made by companies headquartered in Europe, according to data from Small Arms Analytics.

Glock’s pistols are used by about 65% of US police departments, but the company also lobbies in favor of the American public’s access to firearms. Glock says it gave more than $100,000 to the National Rifle Association and its programs in 2016. Italy’s gun-making Beretta family is a big contributor to the gun lobby group.

 

[rsd1200]

You're welcome. I'm a fan of the socially woke Eminem. I love that he represented Parkland and invited survivors.
:hero:

O/T I too am a fan. Luv me some Eminem! I've been wishing for a concert, within driving distance, forEVER! I love everything from the Slim Shady years, forward.

 

[Jennifer17]

For sure Austria (Glock), Germany (SIG SAUER), and Italy (Beretta).

I am not totally sure, but I think Australian police have Glocks, too. Some of them.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'm all in.

Let's fund and mandate arts and music education in every dang school in America, as it should be.

John had a complicated childhood. He did not become a mass shooter, he wrote out his troubles in song.

 

[bluesneakers]

Lest there be any doubt the NRA works for the gun manufacturers.

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

Unrestricted access to guns is in their best interest.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm all in.

Let's fund and mandate arts and music education in every dang school in America, as it should be.

John was an intelligent man and boy and he did not grow up in a gun culture. To me, that is the difference. I would be surprise if his school had great arts and music education in Liverpool in the late fifties and early sixties. They did not have big chips on their shoulders as some young men seem to have today.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Croatia is third-largest exporter of firearms to the U.S.

https://www.total-croatia-news.com/business/26424-10-of-firearms-imported-to-us-comes-from-croatia

Croatia exported 574,486 firearms, behind only Austria with 1,322,694, which represented 26% of total imports, and Brazil with 727,341 firearms, or 14.2% of all firearm imports into the United States.

The most significant Croatian arms exporter to the United States is HS Produkt from Karlovac.

 

[rsd1200]

Holy gawd, yes, please!

OT: As long as we don't get another Saddest Song Ever Made. Not sure I could handle another heartstring-ripper like Lennon's "Mother." Goodness, how many times I've cried to that one.

:heartbeat: :heartbeat: :heartbeat: :heartbeat:

I saw Roger Waters last year... Awesome show, and the floating pig was, well, ya had to be there. There's another couple rappers out there who get to the point but some Buffalo Springfield, wouldn't be bad either.

For What It's Worth (Still relevant a 1/2 century later.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Europe’s flourishing gunmakers

Firms like Sig Sauer, Glock and Beretta have a growing share of America’s firearms market

https://www.economist.com/news/busi...rowing-share-americas-firearms-market-europes

IT WAS a blunder by Heckler & Koch, a big German gunmaker. On February 15th the firm apologised for a “mistake” after its American subsidiary posted a Valentine’s image showing a handgun surrounded by ammunition arranged in the shape of a heart. The image went out to social media shortly after a deadly school shooting in Florida.

The post was also a reminder that although Europeans often criticise lax firearm-ownership laws across the Atlantic, the region’s firms are increasingly present in America’s market for small arms—defined as revolvers, pistols, rifles and shotguns.

Americans buy far more such weapons than any other nationality and their appetites have been growing steadily. This year they are likely to buy 14.5m such firearms, notes Jurgen Brauer of Small Arms Analytics, a consultancy. Europeans have proved deft at grabbing a sizeable portion of all this.

 

[rsd1200]

Hm. Excellent question. The story includes that one sentence and nothing more about it. Hopefully that info's relatively sleuth-able. Might have to dig into that tomorrow.

A third are imported:

[FONT=&quot]American gun manufacturers aren’t the only firms that want gun laws to remain lenient: The US imports about a third of its firearms, most of which are made by companies headquartered in Europe, according to data from [/FONT]Small Arms Analytics[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

https://qz.com/1222436/a-third-of-g...k-and-beretta-want-a-say-on-gun-control-laws/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Memo to young people fighting for gun control: Talk to your grandparents

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...randparents/fQoSnZyioch37tl82xWZGL/story.html

They organized phone banks, canvassed neighborhoods, drove older people to the polls, all in perhaps the most remarkable New Hampshire primary in history, a youth offensive on behalf of Senator Eugene McCarthy that hit with such force a half-century ago today that it pushed Lyndon Johnson out of the 1968 presidential race, invited Senator Robert Kennedy in, propelled the Vietnam War to the top of the presidential-election agenda, and taught a generation a lesson in the power of citizen protest and political engagement.

“For young people there was a sense for the first time that you could make a difference,” said Sam Brown, one of the principal architects of McCarthy’s strong second-place finish and the coordinator of the 1969 Vietnam moratorium marches. “For older people it was a wake-up call, that there was something going on here they did not understand.’’

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Nashville teens form Safe Tennessee Youth Advocacy Board for gun reform

http://fox17.com/news/local/nashville-teens-form-safe-tennessee-youth-advocacy-board-for-gun-reform

With studies showing gun violence is the third leading cause of death in U.S. kids, some teens in the mid-state are saying it's time to #EndGunViolence.

Inspired by the #NeverAgain movement from Parkland, Florida students, a group of Nashville teens formed the Safe Tennessee Youth Advocacy Board for gun reform.

Griffin Harrington, USN student says, "We are definitely in support of the second amendment, however...we are not for guns that have such enormous capabilities."

 

[Jennifer17]

Memo to young people fighting for gun control: Talk to your grandparents

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...randparents/fQoSnZyioch37tl82xWZGL/story.html

But those young people are now old. What happened?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

OT

Agreed. He went the opposite way; though he was pretty dang outspoken. His legacy includes scholarships, recording residencies, education, etc. — often, opportunities he couldn't have as a child.

http://www.lennonbus.org/

https://bmifoundation.org/programs/info/john_lennon_scholarships

https://www.namm.org/news/press-releases/namm-foundation-and-john-lennon-educational-tour-0

https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmu...Wins-John-Lennon-Songwriting-Contest-20180223

John was an intelligent man and boy and he did not grow up in a gun culture. To me, that is the difference. I would be surprise if his school had great arts and music education in Liverpool in the late fifties and early sixties. They did not have big chips on their shoulders as some young men seem to have today.

 

[Jennifer17]

A third are imported:

[FONT=&amp]American gun manufacturers aren’t the only firms that want gun laws to remain lenient: The US imports about a third of its firearms, most of which are made by companies headquartered in Europe, according to data from [/FONT]Small Arms Analytics[FONT=&amp].[/FONT]

https://qz.com/1222436/a-tird-of-guns-in-the-us-are-imported-and-foreign-manufacturers-like-glock-and-beretta-want-a-say-on-gun-control-laws/

No. They do not want those lenient laws in their countries, they want to sell to countries with lax laws. It is about money, nothing else. Laughing their way to the bank.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Wake 'em up from snoozing in the recliner. It'll be good for everyone, imo.

:saythat:

A lot of our elders have experience, context and history to share. And elders can learn from the youth. Everyone wins.

But those young people are now old. What happened?

 

[rsd1200]

But those young people are now old. What happened?

Probably the same thing that is happening to my daughter's generation. I posted this up thread. Don't get me wrong, they made change and my daughter's generation has helped fuel change, but then this happens:

My youngest has been marching, and volunteering, for something since she was in high school. She hopped a bus with her LGBTQ friends, and marched in Philly, before she was even out of high school. I allowed it as they had adult supervision. She's in her twenties and she went to a march a few month's back, but, with two young ones, and a full time job, with kid's activities, homework, etc... there's not as much free time now. She's a supporter o the 2A but, also supports these kids who are vocal, like she was, at their age, and older (she's very vocal), about coming together and making change. I think that's what happens many times, though. We begin raising families and we try to stay on top of things but between work, helping with homework, going to school plays, and competitive activities, with our kids, trying to grab some alone time with our spouse, in between all the life stuff, that we are not as focused on what's going on in the govt. Then, as our children leave home, our time is freer, and we get more interested again, and wonder how did THAT happen?!

 

[Jennifer17]

OT

Agreed. He went the opposite way; though he was pretty dang outspoken. His legacy includes scholarships, recording residencies, education, etc. — often, opportunities he couldn't have as a child.

http://www.lennonbus.org/

https://bmifoundation.org/programs/info/john_lennon_scholarships

https://www.namm.org/news/press-releases/namm-foundation-and-john-lennon-educational-tour-0

https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmu...Wins-John-Lennon-Songwriting-Contest-20180223

I tried to thank you for that post, but the thanks button is not there. So, thanks from me.

 

[rsd1200]

No. They do not want those lenient laws in their countries, they want to sell to countries with lax laws. It is about money, nothing else. Laughing their way to the bank.

And, unless we happen to run across a little sentence in an article, many folks do not know this. Having owned firearms and knowing about bringing the old antique ones over, I figured we had imports, but not THAT many. It never hit me that it would be connected to that degree in keeping our gun laws lax either. What a spider's web.