Gun Control Debate #4

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From 2007:

Are you on the no-buy list?

OK, consider this scenario: you've got a good job, make enough money, but for some reason no one will tell you about, 10 lending institutions have refused to give you a mortgage.

That's what happened to Tom Kubbany. He finally figured out that all the banks thought he was a terrorist.

https://www.marketplace.org/2007/03/27/life/are-you-no-buy-list
 
The kids I knew learned about the war from kids who went in. Either they came back dead, or they came back to tell their buddies not to do it. Don’t go.

If anyone has heard from their friends what it was like, it was hell on earth for everyone.

It does not answer the question of why there were no gun issues at protests.


BBM

That was not the post that I was originally replying to. That's for someone who was at the protests to answer. Maybe folks were too busy protesting, and wondering about being shipped off to war, to think about shooting up schools? Idk, call up an old college mate, maybe?

As for what it was like? I think we all know by now. My cousin's superior wrote a book, It's called Road of 10,000 Pains; The Destruction of of the 2nd NVA Div. by the U.S. Marines, 1967.

“Oh, yes,” a retired NVA officer matter-of-factly declared to former U.S. Marine Otto J. Lehrack. “In the Que Son Valley in 1967, we killed more Americans than at any time or place during the war.” Road of 10,000 Pains, which takes its name from The Iliad, is an epic oral history of Vietnam's bloodiest campaign, fought for seven months in a series of battles, most within four miles of each other, along Route 534.

My kin was there. He lived through what one will read in those pages, in the above book.

My Dad says today (and he's a vet), Knowing what we now know about Vietnam? He'd have bought my male sibs a plane ticket to Canada if they got called up, but, he says, I'd not have known.
 
'No-Buy' List Wouldn't Prevent Mass Shootings, State ACLU Executive Director Says

“There is no correlation between those people who are on that list and the people who are committing these violent crimes in these mass shootings,” she said. “In fact, there’s a greater correlation between being a white man and being part of this mass shooting than there is between having mental illness.”

https://news.wgbh.org/2018/03/07/lo...-shootings-state-aclu-executive-director-says
 

And who could forget:

4-year-old turns up on government 'no-fly' list

“I don’t want to be on the list. I want to fly and see my grandma,” the 4-year-old boy said, according to his mother.

Sijollie Allen and her son had trouble boarding planes last month because someone with the same name as Edward is on a government terrorist watch list.

Other people with common names who have encountered “no-fly” list problems at airports include Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., and actor David Nelson from “The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet.” Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., has said he had to make several calls to federal officials before his name was separated from the one on the list.
 
BBM

That was not the post that I was originally replying to. That's for someone who was at the protests to answer. Maybe folks were too busy protesting, and wondering about being shipped off to war, to think about shooting up schools? Idk, call up an old college mate, maybe?

As for what it was like? I think we all know by now. My cousin's superior wrote a book, It's called Road of 10,000 Pains; The Destruction of of the 2nd NVA Div. by the U.S. Marines, 1967.

My kin was there. He lived through what one will read in those pages, in the above book.

My Dad says today (and he's a vet), Knowing what we now know about Vietnam? He'd have bought my male sibs a plane ticket to Canada if they got called up, but, he says, I'd not have known.

Wow. That’s sobering. Thank you, rsd.
 
Remember my coworker who has bought two guns recently and her fiance is a felon? Would she be on the no buy list? She's not lost her right to own guns --she just can't legally keep them in their shared home.
 
Remember my coworker who has bought two guns recently and her fiance is a felon? Would she be on the no buy list? She's not lost her right to own guns --she just can't legally keep them in their shared home.

So what is she supposed to do?

Another car comparison: Sometimes people lose their licenses (for various reasons) but their family members are still allowed to own cars and park them right in the driveway. But you can't do that with guns?
 
Remember my coworker who has bought two guns recently and her fiance is a felon? Would she be on the no buy list? She's not lost her right to own guns --she just can't legally keep them in their shared home.

No, she would not, unless she has committed a felony. Now, depending on which state you are in, HE may be in trouble. Here, as long as the NON-felon, has the firearm in a locked, secure, safe, they can own a firearm. The FELON's p.o., may just have a problem with it though, depending on his type of felony, his parole restrictions, or, just difference in state laws.
 
Here’s a strategy for consideration and discussion. Let’s encourage legislators to submit legislation developing a “no gun” registry, rather than a “registry” of lawful gun owners.

We have a “do not fly” list.

We have a Sex Offender Registry.

We’ve been able, as a nation, to agree that everyone should have access to information about sex offenders in their community. Hence, we have the Sex Offender Registry available to anyone who wants to search it. And compulsory registration by convicted sex offenders.

So why not a “no gun possession or ownership” registry? List every single felon who is prohibited from buying, owning, or possessing ANY firearms. Searchable by ANYONE who wants to find out if they can sell to someone lawfully, or who knows of someone who is prohibited from possession or ownership.

I would go a step further and include legislation that prohibits those with gun convictions as minors to extend their “no ownership, no purchase” for 10 years beyond age of majority, and inclusion on the “no gun” registry at age 18 or 21. This would prevent those who had gun convictions as minors from a “do over” as a young adult until at least age 28 or 31.

This single thing, a “no gun” registry that includes minor offenders once they reach the age of majority, could fundamentally change how we address the serious issues of repeat gun felonies by repeat offenders.

But left leaning activists would fight that tooth and nail, because they would claim that inclusion of these gun felons on a “no gun” registry accessible to the public would be prejudicial to certain racial and ethnic groups. Many of these activists work to shield criminals, over the rights and safety of innocent victims and law abiding citizens.

So instead of fighting for a registry for felons, lawful, non-criminal gun owners are targeted for a "registry", and activists insist that somehow a registry of law abiding people will change the violent gun crimes of criminals. SMH. Logical fallacy at its finest.

Why would it be "prejudicial to certain racial and ethnic groups" A felon is a felon regardless of race.
 
No, she would not, unless she has committed a felony. Now, depending on which state you are in, HE may be in trouble. Here, as long as the NON-felon, has the firearm in a locked, secure, safe, they can own a firearm. The FELON's p.o., may just have a problem with it though, depending on his type of felony, his parole restrictions, or, just difference in state laws.
He's not on parole or probation, just a convicted felon.

He hasn't petitioned to reinstate any lost rights. Shrug. Dunno. I'm not remotely concerned about him and guns. He's not who I worry about in my area.
 
Why would it be "prejudicial to certain racial and ethnic groups" A felon is a felon regardless of race.
I'm not the original poster, so I don't know what they meant and can't and am not speaking for them.


However...


African Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at more than five times the rate of whites, and at least ten times the rate in five states.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/p...racial-and-ethnic-disparity-in-state-prisons/
 
Yes, please, if they’re able to share. Thank you! ❤️

Just wrapped up our chat. I'm trying to figure out how best to do this. I think I'm going to transcribe it b/c he put some personal stuff in. I did ask for his permission to share our conversation, but, will not share identifiable info, (on either of us), and he's cool with that. Thoughts?
 
He's not on parole or probation, just a convicted felon.

He hasn't petitioned to reinstate any lost rights. Shrug. Dunno. I'm not remotely concerned about him and guns. He's not who I worry about in my area.

I apologize, I have obviously misunderstood your post.
 
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