Gun Control Debate #6

[EuTuCroquet?]

They need to ban gangs and start locking them up just for just being in one and keep career criminals in jail.

LOL. “They” do this already.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

If the gun free zone signs were taken away you would probably have several students feeling free to tote their guns or parents guns to school.IMO

And gun-free zones are about a whole lot more than signage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yep!!! You need a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. If they banned all guns more than 100 million of them would eventually wind up in the hand of criminals. Half of all gun owners wouldn't turn there guns in, it would be about as effective as prohibition. The way technology is now criminals could make guns in there garage and if there's a demand they will be made.

If your talking about 3-D printed guns, they are illegal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=3-d...j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thank goodness they aren’t funded by the gun industry meaning they don’t have a vested interest in gun sales. Oh wait....

Or Russian special interests! Whew!

Oh, wait.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/20/russia-nashville-lawyer-marsha-blackburn/431448002/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What about a pressure cooker?

Yes! Pressure cooker bombs are super common, yeah? EVERYONE uses them for self-defense.

Wait. Bombs are already illegal, regardless of a person’s age.

Unlike the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle (and ammo) Cruz bought as a teen. And they’re much more easily available, too.

 

[bears10]

Yes! Pressure cooker bombs are super common, yeah? EVERYONE uses them for self-defense.

Wait. Bombs are already illegal, regardless of age.

Unlike the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle (and ammo) Cruz bought as a teen. And they’re much more easily available, too.

Pressure cookers aren’t illegal. Any Joe Shmoe can walk into target and buy a pressure cooker, then google how to turn it into a bomb. A la Boston marathon bombing.

 

[bears10]

LOL. “They” do this already.

Gang affiliation is not a crime in itself.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Pressure cookers aren’t illegal. Any Joe Shmoe can walk into target and buy a pressure cooker, then google how to turn it into a bomb. A la Boston marathon bombing.

BOMBS are illegal. There’s really no arguing that point, afaik. A la Boston marathon ... bombing.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Gang affiliation is not a crime in itself.

Oh contraire. It can be.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2016/10/gang-affiliation-charges-is-gang-affiliation-a-crime.html

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/gang-affiliation-laws.html

Although it is not unlawful to participate in a gang, many states have enacted laws targeting gang affiliation to prohibit people from joining.

The definition of a gang varies, especially when it comes to youth gangs. In general, a gang is an organization, group, or association of at least three people.

The gang has:

A common name
Identifying symbol(s)
Identifying sign(s)
Members who actively participate in crimes
What Are the Federal Laws against Gang Affiliation?

The federal government currently does no have any particular laws against gang affiliation.

However, it does prosecute known gang members under the Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization (RICO) statute.

Racketeering is defined as operating an unlawful business. This sort of crime is typically associated with the mafia and organized crime.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Moving on ...

More mass shooting survivors, inspired by Parkland, are joining the fight for gun reform

The survivors are becoming an increasingly formidable political force, some analysts say

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/...red-by-parkland-are-joining-fight-gun-reform/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

‪Maryland school shooting comes amid push for gun reform - Reuters TV : http://reut.tv/2bC5Jfe

 

[bears10]

Oh contraire. It can be.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2016/10/gang-affiliation-charges-is-gang-affiliation-a-crime.html

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/gang-affiliation-laws.html

Although it is not unlawful to participate in a gang, many states have enacted laws targeting gang affiliation to prohibit people from joining.

The definition of a gang varies, especially when it comes to youth gangs. In general, a gang is an organization, group, or association of at least three people.

The gang has:

A common name
Identifying symbol(s)
Identifying sign(s)
Members who actively participate in crimes
What Are the Federal Laws against Gang Affiliation?

The federal government currently does no have any particular laws against gang affiliation.

However, it does prosecute known gang members under the Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization (RICO) statute.

Racketeering is defined as operating an unlawful business. This sort of crime is typically associated with the mafia and organized crime.

Yep and good luck forming a RICO case. Not to mention - the gang affiliation isn’t what they are arrested for. Its for the racketeering charges. So no, LE can’t snatch a person up off the street and arrest them because they are affiliated with the crips. They need evidence of a crime. Being associated with a gang is not evidence of a crime.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

‪Rep. Lori Ehrlich urges state to divest holdings in gun companies

http://northofboston.wickedlocal.co...te-to-divest-holdings-in-gun-companies‬

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It's interesting to watch an American proudly make this choice, and proudly share their choice, while watching/reading/hearing about innocent people die on a daily basis all around them from gunshot wounds in the US. I don't understand the thinking, but it's interesting to me anyway.

argumentum ad passiones

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What Female Gun Owners Want To Change About America’s Laws

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-female-gun-owners-want-to-change-about-americas-laws-8534676

"If you’re a law-abiding citizen, you should see nothing wrong with getting a background check before you purchase something that has such great power," Fulton says. "[People] always say, with great power comes great responsibility."

(snip)

Laura Swann, a 30-year-old Army veteran from Oregon who owns a handgun, includes herself in that 97 percent. "You have a right to a gun; you don’t have a right to a free gun, you don’t have a right to an unrestricted gun.”

(snip)

On top of supporting universal background checks, Karly Kennedy, a 24-year-old graphic designer from Arizona who owns a compact pistol, says more needs to be done to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) itself.

(snip)

They agree that guns need to be kept away from those who plan to use them to harm others, too.

"No one wants to hear about kids dying every day," Fulton says.

 

[Caffeine]

Maryland school officer stops armed student who shot 2 others

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

School resource officer fired one shot. Shooter fired simultaneously; police not sure of the gunman shot himself.

I don’t see what kind of gun the suspect used.

Two wounded, one critically.

Excellent work by the school officer. Regardless of the ballistics and what actually stopped the gunman, the officer engaged the suspect and ended the shooting before it could have potentially become a mass shooting.

We all balk at the reality of guns in schools, but this is a pretty textbook example of how we stop future shootings in America. The reality is, regardless of what laws are passed, there will always be a massive cache of guns in this country. People will always find a way, whether it's a gun from their family or from some street corner black market arms dealer...laws won't change that, we're already drowning in guns here.

We need massive healthcare reform to get people the mental health care they need and not some complex web of preferred providers, insurance hang ups, referrals, high out of pocket costs etc. We also need well trained individuals who can handle situations like this, as seen in Maryland, and limit the amount of fatalities...instead of allowing killers like this to freely shoot as many victims as they wish because they know that 1) there is no armed presence in the school or 2) police response will be slow and overly cautious

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

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[EuTuCroquet?]

Yep and good luck forming a RICO case. Not to mention - the gang affiliation isn’t what they are arrested for. Its for the racketeering charges. So no, LE can’t snatch a person up off the street and arrest them because they are affiliated with the crips. They need evidence of a crime. Being associated with a gang is not evidence of a crime.

Our prisons are filled with these folks, my friend. That’s one big way they bust up gangs.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Excellent work by the school officer. Regardless of the ballistics and what actually stopped the gunman, the officer engaged the suspect and ended the shooting before it could have potentially become a mass shooting.

We all balk at the reality of guns in schools, but this is a pretty textbook example of how we stop future shootings in America. The reality is, regardless of what laws are passed, there will always be a massive cache of guns in this country. People will always find a way, whether it's a gun from their family or from some street corner black market arms dealer...laws won't change that, we're already drowning in guns here.

We need massive healthcare reform to get people the mental health care they need and not some complex web of preferred providers, insurance hang ups, referrals, high out of pocket costs etc. We also need well trained individuals who can handle situations like this, as seen in Maryland, and limit the amount of fatalities...instead of allowing killers like this to freely shoot as many victims as they wish because they know that 1) there is no armed presence in the school or 2) police response will be slow and overly cautious

The Parkland shooter “freely shot” dozens of victims because he had easy, unrestricted access to a weapon that allowed him to do it. IMO

And, yes, we also need massive health care reform in this country, too.

It’s not an either-or decision.

Moo

 

[bobcat]

(There isn’t one, iirc) [emoji6] Full bans of all guns is not possible in the US, imo.

It’s kinda funny to me when people who tout the Heller SCOTUS decision also imply l there’s a sweeping conspiracy to just forcefully scoop up millions of legally owned firearms.

We have Heller. I wish more folks would actually read it and/or quit pretending they haven’t.

IMO MOO ETC

There are plenty of posts on here that at least imply they would be fine with ALL guns being gone from the United States. Either that, or the suggestions for "gun control" are such that if implemented, WOULD essentially mean an end to gun ownership, with the possible exception of extremely wealthy people.