Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[Tugela]

She didn't take much from BD's? Hailey took NOTHING.

There have been NO reports that Hailey took one thing from her Dad's house.
If Hailey had gone back to one of these hypothetical sleepovers you write of to obtain personal belongings, don't you think that at least one adult would come forward with that information, that Hailey retrieved some belongings from their home?
One may travel light while on the run but one does not travel without basic neccessities and money. Boyfriend? Not one report has stated Hailey had a boyfriend and no boys are reported missing. Besides, what boy this age could support the both of them? Gas money? Hotels? Food? Clothing? Medicine?

If Hailey were with another person, be it an adult, family member or family friend, no one has reported anyone else from this area as missing, so by and large most people are in contact with one another. If this hypothetical unknown friend is keeping, now 15 year old Hailey hidden from that person's friends and family, then that is kidnapping.

Someone would have come forward by now if there was any possibility of some young girl, that should be in school, in the company of an older person, all the time. Obviously Hailey wouldn't be enrolled in school anywhere, so wouldn't the neighbors/hotel clerk be suspicious that a school age girl is not in school?

Well, the intial descriptions of what she left with included the earings, and those were subsequently found at the fathers house. That means that either LE never asked the folk there what she might have taken (extremely unlikely IMO), or the folks there are just generally confused about a lot of things. They could hardly describe anything as missing when they apparently don't know what is there in the first place.

Since it was part of the initial description you would have thought that LE would have been asking the same questions at the fathers house, and if any of those described items were there. But there has never been any indication of that, so we just don't know. I would give CD the benefit of doubt, but the earring story is just too much of a strain on credibility IMO.

Under those circumstances we don't have any reliable indication of what was or wasn't there, so who knows.

Boyfriend: IIRC she was described as having a boyfriend briefly before she dissappeared. She was not known to have one at the time she went, but, if the boyfriend was a lot older than her (in other words, had the resources to run away and support her) you would expect her to be keeping that a secret. No boys have been reported missing, but what about young men who are no longer in town?

If she ran off with and is being sheltered by some family friend or family member, she would likely be out of county or out of state, living life as normal as a relative or under an assumed named. It isn't that hard, people do that all the time.

So, there are lots of alternative scenarios.

And that is not to mention all of the other scenarios, such as stranger abduction, or accidental death among her peers doing something they weren't supposed to (and subsequently covered up).

There are lots of options, not just SA and/or BD did it.

 

[Tugela]

Like I said Clint has been cleared. Neither Billie or Shawn has been. Its that simple really. You also state that you doubt that LE would tell Clint that Hailey was dead with out compelling evidence and as far as we know there is none. Not being funny but LE doesnt have to tell us what evidence they have. They have said previously some evidence will be kept back until after they have found Hailey and I have a feeling they have a lot more than you might think.

They have no more evidence. If they did, and they thought she was dead, they would be using that evidence to obtain and execute search warrants. That is how an investigation is done. You use the evidence you have that points in a certain direction to get more evidence.

No such thing has happened.

So, the conclusion is obvious.

 

[Tugela]

I was rereading a very old article in which MBs mom was interviewed about the sleepover. I am sure we have all read it, but in a nutshell, she said that, at her house, they do not do "spur of the moment" sleepovers (and on a weeknight?) and that Hailey had NEVER EVER spent a night at their home.
It raised a question in my mind.
If Hailey did not have advance plans to sleep over at MB's, and the only communication between them (based on cell phone records) was a text FROM Hailey asking "what are you doing?" to which MB did not reply, there was no phone call (there's no landline so it would have had to been a call to or from Billie's cell) to arrange this. SOMEBODY forgot to make a provision for this in their story. Nobody has claimed MB came over to invite Hailey, or that Hailey went to MB's, was invited, then went home to pack absolutely nothing before returning. There was no 2-way communication AT ALL between them. So exactly when did Hailey and MB arrange the sleepover? The only answer I can come up with is that they didn't. I think we all KNEW that, but this substantiates that feeling.

My interpretation of the cell message is that HD and MB had verbally arranged for a meeting at BD's house for some purpose, and MB, for whatever reason, did not show up. HD texted MB basically asking MB where was she, and recieved no reply. She would have waited more, but when SA returned home unexpectedly, she took off for destinations unknown.

If you read the mothers account no mention is made of the text, which means she probably didn't know about it at the time. That in turn means someone deleted it from MB's phone before the mother had a chance to examine it. No reply was made, but someone must have read it.

People are keeping secrets if this cell message does in fact exist.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Well, the intial descriptions of what she left with included the earings, and those were subsequently found at the fathers house. That means that either LE never asked the folk there what she might have taken (extremely unlikely IMO), or the folks there are just generally confused about a lot of things. They could hardly describe anything as missing when they apparently don't know what is there in the first place.

Since it was part of the initial description you would have thought that LE would have been asking the same questions at the fathers house, and if any of those described items were there. But there has never been any indication of that, so we just don't know. I would give CD the benefit of doubt, but the earring story is just too much of a strain on credibility IMO.

The earrings were of the type that stretch the ear lobe out. A somewhat painful process. Statements were made that Hailey's ears were hurting, she took them out, asked CD's girlfriend to put them up and one happened to fall behind the couch or something. I find this a credible story.

Under those circumstances we don't have any reliable indication of what was or wasn't there, so who knows.

Boyfriend: IIRC she was described as having a boyfriend briefly before she dissappeared. She was not known to have one at the time she went, but, if the boyfriend was a lot older than her (in other words, had the resources to run away and support her) you would expect her to be keeping that a secret. No boys have been reported missing, but what about young men who are no longer in town?

So this young man is keeping her hidden from his family, friends, co-workers and neighbors?

If she ran off with and is being sheltered by some family friend or family member, she would likely be out of county or out of state, living life as normal as a relative or under an assumed named. It isn't that hard, people do that all the time.

An out of state family friend or family member is hiding a child that the Texas Rangers, US Marshals and The FBI are looking for? I do not believe that a family friend or a family member would take this sort of risk, to their own freedom and life. It would essentially be considered federal kidnapping and penalties could include the death penalty.

So, there are lots of alternative scenarios.

Yes, there are alternative scenarios but I only consider the one's that are actually feasible.

And that is not to mention all of the other scenarios, such as stranger abduction, or accidental death among her peers doing something they weren't supposed to (and subsequently covered up).

There are lots of options, not just SA and/or BD did it.

Red by me.

 

[For The Kids]

Well, the intial descriptions of what she left with included the earings, and those were subsequently found at the fathers house. That means that either LE never asked the folk there what she might have taken (extremely unlikely IMO), or the folks there are just generally confused about a lot of things. They could hardly describe anything as missing when they apparently don't know what is there in the first place.

Since it was part of the initial description you would have thought that LE would have been asking the same questions at the fathers house, and if any of those described items were there. But there has never been any indication of that, so we just don't know. I would give CD the benefit of doubt, but the earring story is just too much of a strain on credibility IMO.

Under those circumstances we don't have any reliable indication of what was or wasn't there, so who knows.

Boyfriend: IIRC she was described as having a boyfriend briefly before she dissappeared. She was not known to have one at the time she went, but, if the boyfriend was a lot older than her (in other words, had the resources to run away and support her) you would expect her to be keeping that a secret. No boys have been reported missing, but what about young men who are no longer in town?

If she ran off with and is being sheltered by some family friend or family member, she would likely be out of county or out of state, living life as normal as a relative or under an assumed named. It isn't that hard, people do that all the time.

So, there are lots of alternative scenarios.

And that is not to mention all of the other scenarios, such as stranger abduction, or accidental death among her peers doing something they weren't supposed to (and subsequently covered up).

There are lots of options, not just SA and/or BD did it.

I have a simple question. IF its a case that Hailey simply ran away ( which I honestly wouldnt blame her with all thats come out about Billie and Shawn) OR a stranger abduction what possible reason is for Billie to keep changing her story so drastically and lieing so much?

Incidentally about the earrings i believe she was trying to frame Naomi and Clint. We have no idea what Clint has told LE about the earrings at all. Only that he has been cleared of being involved in the disappearance of his daughter.

 

[For The Kids]

They have no more evidence. If they did, and they thought she was dead, they would be using that evidence to obtain and execute search warrants. That is how an investigation is done. You use the evidence you have that points in a certain direction to get more evidence.

No such thing has happened.

So, the conclusion is obvious.

That is simply your opinion sorry.

 

[Knox]

My interpretation of the cell message is that HD and MB had verbally arranged for a meeting at BD's house for some purpose, and MB, for whatever reason, did not show up. HD texted MB basically asking MB where was she, and recieved no reply. She would have waited more, but when SA returned home unexpectedly, she took off for destinations unknown.

If you read the mothers account no mention is made of the text, which means she probably didn't know about it at the time. That in turn means someone deleted it from MB's phone before the mother had a chance to examine it. No reply was made, but someone must have read it.

People are keeping secrets if this cell message does in fact exist.

Garcia says on the day Hailey disappeared, Mary beth received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but Garcia says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.

The Garcia family says authorities have taken that text message as evidence in the investigation.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

 

[kirby]

They have no more evidence. If they did, and they thought she was dead, they would be using that evidence to obtain and execute search warrants. That is how an investigation is done. You use the evidence you have that points in a certain direction to get more evidence.

No such thing has happened.

So, the conclusion is obvious.

They have searched haileys home multiple times. They have searched mom and grand moms. What is left to search? We have no clue what evidence
LE has. What I do know for sure is: if little Facebook Kirby knows about scratches on Shawn's hands and Shawn looking up decomposed bodies; certainly
LE knows more. I learned that from BD herself...wondering if LE gave her that info

 

[For The Kids]

They have searched haileys home multiple times. They have searched mom and grand moms. What is left to search? We have no clue what evidence
LE has. What I do know for sure is: if little Facebook Kirby knows about scratches on Shawn's hands and Shawn looking up decomposed bodies; certainly
LE knows more. I learned that from BD herself...wondering if LE gave her that info

The other thing is was Billie even tellling the truth when she said that? she was chucking some pretty bizarre things out there I know but surely IF that was true LE would have seen it?

People knock facebook but with this case I believe without facebook people are missing an awful lot in this case.

 

[For The Kids]

What do "we" think David knows or thinks about what happened to Hailey that night?

I personally believe he knows what happened that night. I have also often wondered if he was part of what happened to Hailey. His behaviour where she is concerned is pretty odd.

 

[kirby]

The other thing is was Billie even tellling the truth when she said that? she was chucking some pretty bizarre things out there I know but surely IF that was true LE would have seen it?

People knock facebook but with this case I believe without facebook people are missing an awful lot in this case.

It was bizarre but maybe LE knows about this. They haven't told us anything. The only thing we know comes from the affidavits and I'm sure they wouldn't have been released but for the freedom of information act. Someone said they looked at Shawn's hands on nancy grace youtubes and couldn't see any scratches. Who knows???,!! Praying once again for answers

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Garcia says on the day Hailey disappeared, Mary beth received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but Garcia says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.

The Garcia family says authorities have taken that text message as evidence in the investigation.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

I agree, there is no proof that Hailey sent that message. Whoever had access to that phone at that time could have sent that message in hopes that LE would think Hailey had sent it. Obviously, whoever did send that message does not understand 13 year old little girls and cell phones. ONE message sent that said "what are you doing"? would have been followed by another text and if there was still no reply then a phone call, especially if they had made some sort of plans to get together. (Just my experience.)

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

It was bizarre but maybe LE knows about this. They haven't told us anything. The only thing we know comes from the affidavits and I'm sure they wouldn't have been released but for the freedom of information act. Someone said they looked at Shawn's hands on nancy grace youtubes and couldn't see any scratches. Who knows???,!! Praying once again for answers

I would think that if SA had scratches on his hands that in itself would have been a huge red flag to LE and that information would have definitely been included in the affidavits for the search warrants. JMO.

 

[Tugela]

Garcia says on the day Hailey disappeared, Mary beth received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but Garcia says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.

The Garcia family says authorities have taken that text message as evidence in the investigation.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

Well, BD was at work at that time, and SA was in Big Spring. This we know. So, who else could have sent the message other than HD? SA said she was at home when he got back, so it must have been her who did it. The only other alternative would be someone with access to the house and phone, who was not either of those three, and there are realistically only two people who that could be. Unless you think that one of them sent the message, it had to be HD. And if that is your theory, then SA must be covering for one of those two alternative individuals.

Remember, the neighbor reported seeing her in the back yard using the phone at around midday, which close enough to 2PM to correlate with the text message.

Why did MB not reply? That seems strange if she received a message from her best friend and did nothing in response.

 

[Tugela]

I agree, there is no proof that Hailey sent that message. Whoever had access to that phone at that time could have sent that message in hopes that LE would think Hailey had sent it. Obviously, whoever did send that message does not understand 13 year old little girls and cell phones. ONE message sent that said "what are you doing"? would have been followed by another text and if there was still no reply then a phone call, especially if they had made some sort of plans to get together. (Just my experience.)

Your experience or the experience of your daughter (if you have one) is irrelevant. It only matters what HD would have or did do, and we don't know that.

 

[Tugela]

Which is weird because Billie has implied that LE showed her some of the child he has so it had to of been on something that Shawn owned.

He didn't have any, because:

A) If he did, they would have charged him.
B) In the affidavits used later on to get warrants for the grandmothers house, the officer who actually looked at the contents of the devices found in BD's house made no mention of CP, would would have been highly relevant in their application. He only talked about on those devices.
C) Detective Alexander has been quoted much later saying there was no CP in BDs house. Again, she specifically said that what was found was legal .

I don't know what BD has subsequently said or not said, but the statements made by LE on this have been quite clear: there was no CP on any of the electronic items recovered from SA.

 

[Tugela]

I have a simple question. IF its a case that Hailey simply ran away ( which I honestly wouldnt blame her with all thats come out about Billie and Shawn) OR a stranger abduction what possible reason is for Billie to keep changing her story so drastically and lieing so much?

Incidentally about the earrings i believe she was trying to frame Naomi and Clint. We have no idea what Clint has told LE about the earrings at all. Only that he has been cleared of being involved in the disappearance of his daughter.

She keeps changing her story because that is what she does. Some people are like that. They don't have a good grasp of the importance of facts and their perception of fact changes from day to day depending on their mood and what else is going on in their life.

The earrings were part of the description initially given of the items she was believed to have with her. Since she spent time at both parents houses, and since they lived close together, LE would have checked to see if any of those clothing items were at the other house. There is no way that any competent LE officer would fail to do that. And even if they did fail to do that, the description would have been available to CD's side, so surely it would have occurred to them to tell LE that the description was not correct. They didn't.

For whatever reason best known to CD's household, that information was not shared with LE.

I mean, it is not like these were random nondescript items. HD had just recieved them and anything that happened to them would have been a big deal. How could someone just forget about that?

Like I said, maybe they are just really confused people, but it is a problem because it implies that they are not being upfront about everything.

 

[For The Kids]

She keeps changing her story because that is what she does. Some people are like that. They don't have a good grasp of the importance of facts and their perception of fact changes from day to day depending on their mood and what else is going on in their life.

The earrings were part of the description initially given of the items she was believed to have with her. Since she spent time at both parents houses, and since they lived close together, LE would have checked to see if any of those clothing items were at the other house. There is no way that any competent LE officer would fail to do that. And even if they did fail to do that, the description would have been available to CD's side, so surely it would have occurred to them to tell LE that the description was not correct. They didn't.

For whatever reason best known to CD's household, that information was not shared with LE.

I mean, it is not like these were random nondescript items. HD had just recieved them and anything that happened to them would have been a big deal. How could someone just forget about that?

Like I said, maybe they are just really confused people, but it is a problem because it implies that they are not being upfront about everything.

Your blaming this onto Clint but i think you forget the fact that Billie knew Hailey wasnt wearing those earrings. Like I said LE were satisfied with Clints answers. It was Billie and Shawns they have problems with. Maybe Billie when on Nancy Grace should have said there was a mistake and Hailey was not wearing the earrings? I suppose one question would be why did she lie?

 

[For The Kids]

Well, BD was at work at that time, and SA was in Big Spring. This we know. So, who else could have sent the message other than HD? SA said she was at home when he got back, so it must have been her who did it. The only other alternative would be someone with access to the house and phone, who was not either of those three, and there are realistically only two people who that could be. Unless you think that one of them sent the message, it had to be HD. And if that is your theory, then SA must be covering for one of those two alternative individuals.

Remember, the neighbor reported seeing her in the back yard using the phone at around midday, which close enough to 2PM to correlate with the text message.

Why did MB not reply? That seems strange if she received a message from her best friend and did nothing in response.

AGAIN LE have said there was no credible sightings of Hailey on the Monday. There is no proof that Hailey was alive on the monday and personally I dont believe for one second that she was unfortunately.

As for MB I dont believe at all that she was Haileys best friend. But like MB mom said in the post linked on there that text message will be used as evidence.

 

[For The Kids]

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