Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[Kimmer]

I am kind of getting at something, but I can't quite figure it out yet. I think there is an answer in all of this.

Zero reports of her taking off that night, but no one saw her so who can say? And there were certainly reports of her taking off the following night, apparently without anyone being too concerned about it. So there is a relevant history for this.

The point is to figure out what happened to her, it is not an exercise to build a memorial or paint her in a good light. That is completely irrelevant to the case. Hiding things in her life that people find unpalatable does not advance the investigation nor does it provide justice to her. Justice will come from the truth, warts and all, pleasant or not, and nothing else.

It will require a bit of digging through old threads, but early on in this case there were reports from family friends who HD apparently lived with for a period, and they described a situation where there was little parental control and she came and went as she pleased.

After HD disappeared, the mother of MB was interviewed and claimed that MB had once overnighted with HD, but that she wouldn't allow it again because she found out later that the girls had been out and about at night.

If that is accurate, that was her life, how she was, and of course it is relevant to the investigation, especially if that in some way played a role in what happened to her. It does not serve any purpose sugar coating that.

The assumption almost everyone has here is that SA did it and that is that. That is a possibility of course, but the timeline makes that difficult to reconcile. I have certainly considered that, and it is still possible, but unless new information comes to light it seems unlikely IMO.

But, I have also considered two other scenarios. One of those is less likely now, since she has been found dead, so I don't think that happened. But the third one is still a real possibility IMO.

So, I want to know where she went, what she did, and who she did it with.

I will just cut to the chase here, it seems that you are saying the all of the LE reports are wrong, everyone but SA is lying and that this is all Haleigh's fault and since the only Suspect named has been SA that should be ignored, since he is such a nice, nonviolent upstanding guy, do I have that right?

 

[katydid23]

Why would sleeping in the living room make her safer? It is in the same house just feet away. It also doesn't have a door that you could lock or barricade if you were concerned about nocturnal visitors. In fact, it would make you more vulnerable from nocturnal visitors from the outside (since these people apparently didn't lock their doors). So your theory doesn't make sense, it is not a logical course of action. If she did not feel safe, sleeping in the living room would increase her exposure to danger, not decrease it.

BD didn't sleep there in the living room, and the bedroom was probably closer to the main bedroom if an alarm was to be raised.

Because when you are a young girl in your bedroom, the rapist has PRIVACY behind your closed bedroom door. My uncle used to close my door, and climb into my bed, with people asleep in rooms down the hall.

She would have felt much safer on the couch, imo, OUT IN THE OPEN, because her brother and her mother could easliy walk by to use the bathroom. He would never have tried to assault her in the open like that. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Staying in the common areas, are much safer than closed off bedrooms.

And your assertion that an alarm would be raised is faulty. The predator warns you that if you do scream out, he will harm your _____________[ fill in the blanks.] Mine used to say he would hurt my little brother or kill my kitty cat. I never told my parents what he did to me out of that fear.

 

[katydid23]

Ok, so, suppose your daughter disappeared, and lets assume you knew she had enquired about getting pot.

Then, when the LEO investigating asked you if she had ever had expressed an interest in drugs, would you lie and say no, because you were concerned about her reputation?

Or you would you tell them what you know, because it could help them find her?

Keep in mind that SA was not the only person to have said this, there were at least two others who independently said the same thing. So, why should we assume that SA must therefore be lieing?

So you think the local Junior high pot dealer was more dangerous than the man with the custom made leather serial killer mask, who was the last one to see her?

 

[Kimmer]

Ok, so, suppose your daughter disappeared, and lets assume you knew she had enquired about getting pot.

Then, when the LEO investigating asked you if she had ever had expressed an interest in drugs, would you lie and say no, because you were concerned about her reputation?

Or you would you tell them what you know, because it could help them find her?

Keep in mind that SA was not the only person to have said this, there were at least two others who independently said the same thing. So, why should we assume that SA must therefore be lieing?

I Would have LE take a report from the cousin who said she has spoke of pot, but I also would not let some looser live with me and try to infulence the possible murder of my missing daughter, by saying that she was a permisscouis that was a drug user and a run away, I guess all of that would be a-ok in your book with your daughter? The reason that SA has lied is to try and cover his butt IMO and when the forensics are back I bet he will get a trip to the grey bar motel.

 

[katydid23]

Why would sleeping in the living room make her safer? It is in the same house just feet away. It also doesn't have a door that you could lock or barricade if you were concerned about nocturnal visitors. In fact, it would make you more vulnerable from nocturnal visitors from the outside (since these people apparently didn't lock their doors). So your theory doesn't make sense, it is not a logical course of action. If she did not feel safe, sleeping in the living room would increase her exposure to danger, not decrease it.

BD didn't sleep there in the living room, and the bedroom was probably closer to the main bedroom if an alarm was to be raised.

Hailey was not afraid of nocturnal visitors from the outside. Imo, she was more afraid of the guy who she used to see pacing outside her bedroom door at night.

And you are wrong when you say that sleeping in the livingroom would increase her exposure to danger. She went missing the first night or so after she STOPPED sleeping in the livingrooom. So maybe my theory is correct.

 

[katydid23]

Umm...the night she disappeared?

She did not disappear that night. She went missing in the day time. Last seen at her own home. There is no evidence that she 'took off' anywhere that evening.

 

[Kimmer]

Because when you are a young girl in your bedroom, the rapist has PRIVACY behind your closed bedroom door. My uncle used to close my door, and climb into my bed, with people asleep in rooms down the hall.

She would have felt much safer on the couch, imo, OUT IN THE OPEN, because her brother and her mother could easliy walk by to use the bathroom. He would never have tried to assault her in the open like that. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Staying in the common areas, are much safer than closed off bedrooms.

And your assertion that an alarm would be raised is faulty. The predator warns you that if you do scream out, he will harm your _____________[ fill in the blanks.] Mine used to say he would hurt my little brother or kill my kitty cat. I never told my parents what he did to me out of that fear.

I could not have said it better myself..

 

[FruitTingles]

I have another take on it. When i was young, my uncle used to come into my bedroom and molest me. So I did anything I could to avoid sleeping in my room, when he was around. My two brothers had bunk beds and I used to go in and sleep in the bottom bunk next to my baby brother. I would tell my mom that I was having a nightmare if she mentioned it. But I usually snuck back into my room before anyone woke up.

When I think of Hailey sleeping in the living room, and I add to it the things she told her grandmother, about seeing Shawn pacing outside of her bedroom door at night, it makes me think she wanted to be out in the living room for the safety factor.

Isn't it interesting that Just days before she went missing, she began sleeping in her own room, because she now had her own TV. Funny thing---Shawn was the one that suggested to Billie that she get Hailey a TV. Wonder why he wanted her to have that?

It makes me wonder if maybe he snuck into her room Sunday night when everyone was asleep. Maybe he messed with her that night, and told her to keep her mouth shut about it. BUt then on MOnday morning, he gets to work, and he cannot shake the feeling that Hailey is going to wake up and go tell her Dad or brother what happened. So Shawn leaves work and races back home, and snatches Hailey out of her bed, and takes her for a littel road trip?

Great post Katy. To me, this sounds like the most likely to have happened. JMO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

So you think the local Junior high pot dealer was more dangerous than the man with the custom made leather serial killer mask, who was the last one to see her?

the same man who knew where Hailey would be found

According to the affidavit, Adkins failed the polygraph test once and walked out on two others.

But at one point, he did say Hailey could be found in Scurry County, which the test indicated was the truth.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22093988/hailey-dunn-search-the-timeline-of-events

the same man who gave contradictory statements to LE

Investigators said that Adkins has given contradictory statements about the day Hailey disappeared.

Adkins also told investigators that he was fired from his job the day Hailey disappeared. Adkins worked for a company that does oil well casing and logging. His boss, however, told investigators that he wasn't fired, but abruptly left work minutes after showing up, according to the affidavit.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/shawn-adki...t-case-missing-texas/story?id=12608537&page=2

 

[aust amateur slueth]

'Originally Posted by Tugela
Your experience is not evidence. You have no idea what HD was like, so whatever your daughter is like has no predictive value at all.

You cannot make a conclusion about what someone did based on what some unrelated third person did. That is just poor logic.

As for SA using the phone to text MB, you are forgetting that at the time SA was in Big Spring, and HD's phone was in CC. So he could not have done it.

The only people who could have done it IMO are SA, BD, HD, DD or CD (they were the only ones with access and sufficient knowledge of HD's social life). SA and BD were in other cities at the time, so unless you are suggesting that DD or CD did it, the only option remaining is that HD herself did it.'

BBM Assuming SA had his cell phone with him and he was the one using the cell phone in Big Spring (or anywhere else).

I'd like to point out the following

Adkins told investigators he went straight to his mother's house in Big Spring, about 40 miles west of Colorado City. But, records show calls made from Adkins' cell phone were placed from Colorado City between 6:35 a.m. and 6:56 a.m..
"According to all reports, Hailey Dunn would have been alone in the residence during this time period," the affidavit said, noting that witnesses and records show Billie Dunn left for work at 6:20 a.m.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hai...named-person-of-interest-teen-s-disappearance

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Once a week I leave for the office before anyone gets up in the morning. I always peek in on all my kids (the oldest is almost 13) just to "ease my mind." That said, I always make sure they are breathing too...so I'm probably a bit more over the top than most.

I used to do the same thing.

Here's my thinking on this particular statement by BD:

In hindsight, BD's comment does make us go hmmmm. However, BD has a way of wording things oddly, and this may be just another example of that. In any everyday conversation, if a friend made this comment, would we raise our eyebrows? That's what I am asking myself. I am trying not to put too much into the odd phrase and have my thought process diverted down the wrong path, kwim?

 

[leighmarker]

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[clarabelle]

We really don't know if Hailey was abused. Could she have slept in the living room to watch tv? That wouldn't be far fetched since its been said when she got her own tv she started sleeping in her own room.

I am thinking BD might have some degree of Asbergers Syndrome since her words don't seem to connect well with emotions. She also seems to speak without thinking and alot of her comments are defensive and contradictory. Like with any kind of questions or pressure she just says something that absolves her of fault even if it contradicts what she said immediately before. I am not saying that she doesn't lie but there is an emotional disconnect and a disconnection from reality. I've seen this in some people with Asbergers and an not inferring that everybody with a spectrum disorder does this.

I have also seen parents with Asbergers who assume if everything seems ok then it is ok. No further thoughts of double checking. For example, my friends ex husband does this. "Did the kids do their homework? They said they did. You know they have trouble with homework, did you check???" Homework doesn't get done when the kids stay with him and he never checks even tho he knows this.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Sleeping in the living room rather than the bedroom seems kind of weird to me. You would think that would create a certain level of inconvenience to the other people in the house. Was she using that as a cover to take off during the night un-noticed? Thinking back to my youth, that is the sort of thing I might have done.

I can see another reason for a teen girl who reportedly is creeped out by her mom's BF to sleep in clothes (sweats t-shirt etc) an do so on a couch in a living room (more public area of the house) rather than her bedroom which has a door that can be closed and you can feel closed in and trapped behind.

 

[StrayKat]

Billie probably does have an emotional disconnect, as well as, a disconnect from reality. Her daughter was missing and now she knows she was murdered. I was living a disconnect from reality thinking she was a runaway. MOO

 

[sadnpod]

Because when you are a young girl in your bedroom, the rapist has PRIVACY behind your closed bedroom door. My uncle used to close my door, and climb into my bed, with people asleep in rooms down the hall.

She would have felt much safer on the couch, imo, OUT IN THE OPEN, because her brother and her mother could easliy walk by to use the bathroom. He would never have tried to assault her in the open like that. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Staying in the common areas, are much safer than closed off bedrooms.

And your assertion that an alarm would be raised is faulty. The predator warns you that if you do scream out, he will harm your _____________[ fill in the blanks.] Mine used to say he would hurt my little brother or kill my kitty cat. I never told my parents what he did to me out of that fear.

Thanks was not enough for this post Katydid. As a child who was molested, like you.. I understand this reasoning completely. You keep yourself OUT IN THE OPEN. Your bedroom is not a sanctuary. Its a place where the molester creeps into at night, and makes threats to those you love. Who just happen to be the same people who take his side against you on so many levels.

Getting her a tv so she can be alone in her room has always bothered me. I understand it can be taken as a good thing. But not to me. I took it as a way to keep her behind closed doors at night instead of on the couch OUT IN THE OPEN.

Again.. thanks, and Im so sorry you had to endure that as a child. ((hugs))

 

[tlcya]

We really don't know if Hailey was abused. Could she have slept in the living room to watch tv? That wouldn't be far fetched since its been said when she got her own tv she started sleeping in her own room.

I am thinking BD might have some degree of Asbergers Syndrome since her words don't seem to connect well with emotions. She also seems to speak without thinking and alot of her comments are defensive and contradictory. Like with any kind of questions or pressure she just says something that absolves her of fault even if it contradicts what she said immediately before. I am not saying that she doesn't lie but there is an emotional disconnect and a disconnection from reality. I've seen this in some people with Asbergers and an not inferring that everybody with a spectrum disorder does this.

I have also seen parents with Asbergers who assume if everything seems ok then it is ok. No further thoughts of double checking. For example, my friends ex husband does this. "Did the kids do their homework? They said they did. You know they have trouble with homework, did you check???" Homework doesn't get done when the kids stay with him and he never checks even tho he knows this.

JMO

IMO people who have issues or past issues with prescription medications also display those same qualities.

 

[tlcya]

Because when you are a young girl in your bedroom, the rapist has PRIVACY behind your closed bedroom door. My uncle used to close my door, and climb into my bed, with people asleep in rooms down the hall.

She would have felt much safer on the couch, imo, OUT IN THE OPEN, because her brother and her mother could easliy walk by to use the bathroom. He would never have tried to assault her in the open like that. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Staying in the common areas, are much safer than closed off bedrooms.

And your assertion that an alarm would be raised is faulty. The predator warns you that if you do scream out, he will harm your _____________[ fill in the blanks.] Mine used to say he would hurt my little brother or kill my kitty cat. I never told my parents what he did to me out of that fear.

Thank you. you said it way better than I could.

Thanks was not enough for this post Katydid. As a child who was molested, like you.. I understand this reasoning completely. You keep yourself OUT IN THE OPEN. Your bedroom is not a sanctuary. Its a place where the molester creeps into at night, and makes threats to those you love. Who just happen to be the same people who take his side against you on so many levels.

Getting her a tv so she can be alone in her room has always bothered me. I understand it can be taken as a good thing. But not to me. I took it as a way to keep her behind closed doors at night instead of on the couch OUT IN THE OPEN.

Again.. thanks, and Im so sorry you had to endure that as a child. ((hugs))

Thanks to you as well.

 

[tlcya]

TEH! So glad you are here. you have been sorely missed by many. I should have known if anything would draw you out it would be Hailey.

 

[Kimster]

the same man who knew where Hailey would be found

According to the affidavit, Adkins failed the polygraph test once and walked out on two others.

But at one point, he did say Hailey could be found in Scurry County, which the test indicated was the truth.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22093988/hailey-dunn-search-the-timeline-of-events

the same man who gave contradictory statements to LE

Investigators said that Adkins has given contradictory statements about the day Hailey disappeared.

Adkins also told investigators that he was fired from his job the day Hailey disappeared. Adkins worked for a company that does oil well casing and logging. His boss, however, told investigators that he wasn't fired, but abruptly left work minutes after showing up, according to the affidavit.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/shawn-adki...t-case-missing-texas/story?id=12608537&page=2

To me, if the above facts turn out to be coincidences, I will :thud: a hundred times over.

And LE knows way more than we do, I'd bet. :twocents: