Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

"Very smart bad guys" is an oxymoron. If they were truly smart, they would live 'very successful types of lives' within the law.

And this is totally relevant to JBR, because the RN, the garrote knotting, the black tape over the mouth, the flashlight, the headbash, the DNA mixed with blood, etc., are all evidence of a criminal at work, not a filicidal parent at work. Staging is a myth.

Not an oxymoron at all. We're not discussing morality here... we're discussing intelligence & success & the ability to get things done.


Yes, all those things are the work of a criminal. Some people believe the criminal entered the house & many, many believe the criminal LIVED there.
 
Wudge, my point was that even though the DNA was damning evidence & imo PROOF beyond a shadow of a doubt of OJ's guilt... the defense was able to inject 'reasonable doubt' in the jury's mind about the integrity of the DNA.... the collecting/handling of the samples.

Basically, they worked to CONFUSE people just enough that they weren't sure.


As far as Fuhrman..... he was too arrogant & oppositional to just come out & say, "Gee, I really don't remember ever saying that but I guess it's possible I might have used the word in the past." Duh.

Is there anyone on EARTH who would have been shocked to learn that a white person used this word? Surely, the defense could have found blacks who sometimes used the word also.

That whole trial was such a travesty. So sad for Nicole & Ron.

Yes, the jurors in L.A. county were stealth-jurors. They had already made up their minds not to convict him, so they made Johnny Cochran and the Dream Team's job easy. I wouldn't give all the credit to Mark Fuhrman.
 
Pineapple would be good enough at room temp for 2 days, I think. The pineapple would not be overheated in a car crossing the rockie mountains in winter, I think.

Besides, the original topic of this thread was to explain the pineapple, and there you have it.


Are you kidding I am brain damaged and I would not eat two day old pinnapple that had sat in a heated car during the trip. DUH!
 
OJ's alongside bloody shoe prints, blood drops were found leading away from the front of Nicole's residence. Based on DNA tests, those blood drops were determined to match OJ's blood. I considered that to be the very best evidence, and I considered it to stand alone in spite of the fact that EDTA was found in other blood drops that were also found to have been OJ's blood.

From the facts presented at trial, we can reasonable find that OJ murdered Nicole and Ron Goldman. We can also reasonably find that the LAPD framed a guilty man.

After Mark Furhman admitted to having used the N word and later stood on his fifth Amendment right to not answer questions under oath, I was the first to say online that the jury would almost assuredly acquit OJ, because I knew that the jury was heavily weighted with African-American women. I said they would never vote to convict him after hearing Furhman.

Interestingly, I was savaged by almost every online poster after making that call.

After hearing all of the evidence, I said that my vote would be: murder two for Nicole, murder one for Ron Goldman. However, I said that OJ would be acquitted.

No, I won't do it. It's too easy.

Maybe just forget about that pesky DNA then?

Fine by me. None of the actual investigators or experts thought it was worth anything.

And why there was never any ABFDE consensus on who wrote the RN?

Actually there was: Patsy couldn't be ruled out. Now let's apply some common sense here: if she didn't write it, there's NO REASON why ANY similarity between her writing and the note should be found at all. Occam's Razor tells us that it's simpler to believe that she just slipped up from disguising herself than to believe someone copied her writing so closely.

And why the DA goes out of their way 12 years later to proclaim the R's as innocent?

She always believed they were innocent, even before she saw any evidence.

And why PR calls 911 hours or even a day earlier than the RN says to?

I've explained it to you, so please don't waste any more of my time with that bulls**t.

Now I know why Superdave said 'oh, boy' & hasn't posted since....

Because it's a waste of my time!

It's no use. Logic doesn't apply to people who think the Ramseys are innocent. You could have a video of the crime showing which Ramseys is guilty and it wouldn't matter.

One of them even told me so.

Thats almost as ridiculous as the RDI claims of parents who wrap their victim child up 'lovingly as only a parent would do', after sexually assaulting, garroting, and headbashing them.

It's called compensation; ever heard of it?

What is totally illogical is reasoning that LE could use the DNA evidence to clear suspects whose DNA did not match, but the D.A., Mary Lacy, could not use the same DNA evidence to clear the Ramseys whose DNA did not match either.

The DNA was never used, in and of itself to clear anyone.

You will have to tell it to the FBI profiler who said the scene was staged and suggestive of a parent or loved one having been the killer.

Make that a TEAM of FBI profilers.

How can you ever have any free, original ideas with all these nonexistent 'rules'? You know they're imaginary, right?

Actually, they're from respected profilers.

Uh, that is really old news. Since then, cord fibers were found in JBR's bed, which debunks the whole basement staging theory.

Just means that the staging started in her bedroom, as I've always said.

It could also be argued that one or more of the Ramseys invited someone in to molest JonBenet. I have seen that argued. To say the least, that is not, in any way, reasonable in my mind.

That's what my dear brother believes.

Staging is a myth.

Tell that to the actual experts.
 
My question regarding the basis upon which prior suspects -- like Fleet White and Bill McReynolds -- were eliminated as suspects remains unanswered.
I believe they were DNA tested. NO ONE could have cooperated more than Fleet and Pricilla White.
 
Not an oxymoron at all. We're not discussing morality here... we're discussing intelligence & success & the ability to get things done.


Yes, all those things are the work of a criminal. Some people believe the criminal entered the house & many, many believe the criminal LIVED there.

Thats right. The flashlight, black tape, and garrote are all trappings of a criminal. But a criminal who was already a criminal. Not a filicidal parent who suddenly turned to crime and instantly learned how to handwrite a 2 1/2 page ransom note and get away with it on the first try! I'm sorry thats just not believable.
 
Thats right. The flashlight, black tape, and garrote are all trappings of a criminal. But a criminal who was already a criminal. Not a filicidal parent who suddenly turned to crime and instantly learned how to handwrite a 2 1/2 page ransom note and get away with it on the first try! I'm sorry thats just not believable.


It makes much less sense that a criminal who was always a criminal would sound SO amateurish that they would write the ridiculous RN we found.
 
Thats right. The flashlight, black tape, and garrote are all trappings of a criminal. But a criminal who was already a criminal. Not a filicidal parent who suddenly turned to crime and instantly learned how to handwrite a 2 1/2 page ransom note and get away with it on the first try! I'm sorry thats just not believable.

That's what I used to think.

Look, I can't not see what my eyes see. I don't have a "stupid" button I can push to get stupid. ANYONE could get away with it if they had a team of million-dollar lawyers, mercenary "experts" and a DA who couldn't prosecute a bicycle thief!
 
Is it possible, mystery intruder assaulted her, tied her up, carried her downstairs & JB said, "Hey! I'm getting real dehydrated here.... give me some pineapple NOW or I'll scream for my mother?" lol


Yeah, I can picture it now...that is what happened. :crazy::crazy:
 
Uh, that is really old news. Since then, cord fibers were found in JBR's bed, which debunks the whole basement staging theory. RDI clings to it anyway. YOU ask that FBI profiler what he thinks TODAY, now that cord fibers were found in the victim's bed, and the same DNA belonging to an unknown male was found in two conspicuous places in two forms on the victim's body.

Hold, I believe that the PARENTS....were going to at first, stage the crime scene in JB's bedroom, but was afraid that Burke may accidently see her. No need to traumatize the boy, anymore than he was going to be once he found out his sister was dead. I believe that they started out in JB's bedroom and then decided to take it to the WC....in the deep bowels of the house...where Burke would never see.
 
It makes much less sense that a criminal who was always a criminal would sound SO amateurish that they would write the ridiculous RN we found.

The headbash and garrote technique isn't new. Another case you could read up on is the murder of Bob Crane, who was strangled with an extention cord and struck over the head with a blunt instrument also.

That case was never solved either.
 
Handwriting,DNA,palm prints.......

Right ...not to mention that Fleet White as having a Christmas party...I do believe that people would have noticed if he had slipped out BEFORE the party started to break into the Ramsey's home, after they left for the party...and was there ALL night long. Sounds a little fishy, considering even the Ramsey's said that Fleet was at his own party. He would have had to skip the whole thing, if he had of been the "invisible intruder".
 
Excuse me if I believe the coroner that did the autopsy rather than all the dancing around the facts.

Exactly! I choose to believe the experts too! I do believe that they have a degree in that sort of thing, and know what they are doing....because that is what they do for a living.
 
I'm just surprised one of 'em didn't fall off the roof looking for reindeer tracks....:rolleyes:

Thanks for the full on belly-laughs I've had today (and last night!) 'holdontoyourhat'....And I mean that - I haven't laughed so hard in looong time - certainly not in conjunction to this forum...

LOL...yes, holdon is quite the humorous one.
 
No it isn't, not always. Read up on Leopold and Loeb, rich kids who kidnapped a boy supposedly for a ransom, and instead murdered him for thrill.

IMO its very naive to pretend to know the motives, or what criminals would or would not do under certain circumstances, when you don't even know who did it. It wasn't until after Leopold and Loeb were in custody that their true motives were discovered.

Hold, just curious...what would make an intruder change her panties? Why put any panties back on her at all, why not just pull up the longjohns? Seems alot simplier than looking for a pair of panties to replace the old ones with. Why put those huge panties on her? I mean, they needed to hurry and get out of the house...to take her out of the country to be married off. It looks like to me, that the intruder would not have wasted time with that whole re-dressing mess.
 
NOT if what was prchased was fresh pinapple in a bacb pre cored and sliced and trimmed that is what we usually buy.

Either that...or as I have stated many, many....hundreds of times before...she put them down the garbage disposal....and BAM..they're gone.
 
The headbash and garrote technique isn't new. Another case you could read up on is the murder of Bob Crane, who was strangled with an extention cord and struck over the head with a blunt instrument also.

That case was never solved either.

I thought that his (male) lover did it?
 

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