Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

[angelwngs]

I'm not an expert or anything BUT I kind of think beheading a child in a basement might be a tad messier than simply bashing her in the head & strangling her. A even a bit more than even your AVERAGE criminal is going to undertake under ANY circumstances.

Kidnappers who change their mind.... TAKE their note & don't chance being tied to the scene of the kidnapping turned murder.

ding...ding...ding... We have a Winner! :clap:

 

[LI_Mom]

ding...ding...ding... We have a Winner! :clap:

Yay!!!! What do I win????

And DON'T say pineapple. lol

 

[angelwngs]

Yay!!!! What do I win????

And DON'T say pineapple. lol

You get the trophy for best Common Sense Post of the Day!

It confuses 'em so badly they don't know whether to scratch their watch or to wind their butts! :waitasec:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'm not an expert or anything BUT I kind of think beheading a child in a basement might be a tad messier than simply bashing her in the head & strangling her. A even a bit more than even your AVERAGE criminal is going to undertake under ANY circumstances.



Kidnappers who change their mind.... TAKE their note & don't chance being tied to the scene of the kidnapping turned murder.

People who live in the same house dont write 2 1/2 words, let alone 2 1/2 pages, because they dont want to chance being tied to a capital murder scene.

Would you do it?

Didn't think so.

Besides, you're missing the whole point of the RN. Foreign faction member doesn't care about leaving handwriting because where they live, their handwriting isn't subject to FBI comparison. And they know it.

 

[BBB167893]

People who live in the same house dont write 2 1/2 words, let alone 2 1/2 pages, because they dont want to chance being tied to a capital murder scene.

Now who's making up imaginary rules. Since they LIVE there, they're tied to it whether they like it or not! Might as well make the most of it.

Would you do it?

Didn't think so.

I don't know WHAT I would do in their position, and, by the grace of the gods, may I NEVER have to find out!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Since they LIVE there, they're tied to it whether they like it or not! Might as well make the most of it.

You're saying that if you happen to be on a sinking ship, make the most of it by adding some more water.

This stuff probably works on some here, but not me. It makes no sense.

You can't win them all!

 

[angelwngs]

Most importantly no kidnapping/murder has ever before or since incorporated more elements which fall outside of the 'norm'.

 

[BBB167893]

You're saying that if you happen to be on a sinking ship, make the most of it by adding some more water.

Don't waste my time with that sophistry. Hindsight's 20/20, we all know how that works out. But what choice was there? They couldn't dump the body because there was too much chance they'd be spotted. They couldn't take the body with them to Michigan and fake an accidental drowning. What choice was there?

This stuff probably works on some here,

More than you know.

but not me.

Yeah, you've made that clear. Why I keep trying is a mystery I may never solve.

It makes no sense.

EXACTLY! That's your whole problem, Holdon: you expect the murder of a child to make sense. It NEVER makes sense to me, and the day it does, I will pray for DEATH.

You can't win them all!

I guess not. But I don't give up, either.

Holdon, for years you've asked me to find something in the Ramseys' history, something before the murder. I think I have! JB wasn't just redressed, she was dolled up! Her hair was put in ponytails and a spangly star top was on her. Patsy Ramsey dolled her up for pageants. Who else BUT her mother would CARE to put that much effort into redressing a corpse? Follow me? This whole thing SCREAMS "drama queen." You keep asking me to show you some history. That's what I'm doing!

Could someone else help me to elaborate on this before I LOSE MY TEMPER AGAIN?

 

[LI_Mom]

Could someone else help me to elaborate on this before I LOSE MY TEMPER AGAIN?

You forgot to mention how they used Christmas Day as JB's DOD on her headstone.... even admitting they weren't sure she DIED before Midnight but they wanted to reserve the date anyway.


Praise the Lord & Pass the Pineapple?

 

[angelwngs]

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JB wasn't just redressed, she was dolled up! Her hair was put in ponytails and a spangly star top was on her. Patsy Ramsey dolled her up for pageants. Who else BUT her mother would CARE to put that much effort into redressing a corpse? Follow me? Does anyone remember that picture of JB done up like Marilyn Monroe, complete with the name badge? I do. Now, let's walk this through: what do JB and MM have in common? Well, they were both known for their good looks, and they both died tragically. THUS, my realization.

I have no doubt that it was Patsy who thought that little performance up. Who better to associate your beauty queen daughter with than the most famous blonde of all time? But, what most people overlook is this: one of the big reasons why Marilyn's legend is so strong is because she died tragically. Marilyn died young and at the peak of her fame, her beauty undiminished. She was not allowed to grow old and obscure. (Case in point: Elizabeth Taylor. I love Liz, always will. But I can't help but wonder ['cause I'm weird that way] what it would have been like if she had died fairly young, before all of her health problems and failed marriages relegated her to the pages of supermarket rags. Say, now that I think of it, Patsy kind of resembled Liz, didn't she? Dark-haired, great-looking in her day, health problems, getting older...hmm. This is like a bad Twilight Zone episode!)

Well, what happened to Marilyn happened to JB, and I can't help but wonder if for the same reason. Remember when I gave that spiel about how a person can achieve greater fame dead than alive (ex: "Che" Guevara)? I don't necessarily mean that JB's death was premeditated (although, there may be those who do). I'm just saying that, if it did start out as an unintentional killing, it might explain to all those naysayers why 911 wasn't called and why all of the staging was done: a child beauty queen, so destined for greatness killed in a common, garden-variety, run-of-the-mill, humdrum domestic incident? That would NEVER do! She was so spectacular in life. She HAD to be spectacular in death. Nothing but the best (or worst, depending on how you see it) for JB. And she IS spectacular in death! Her death made her more well-known to more people than all of her performances put together. Not to mention that it's almost 12 years and people STILL remember her! But a child beauty queen murdered by a revenge-driven pedophile terrorist in her palazzo home right under the noses of her wealthy parents? How cool is that!

I admit, I'm just spitballing, but in good faith, based on the opinions of people like Mike Kane, who said Patsy loved being famous as the mother of a dead beauty queen, and Patsy's own behavior, namely putting such a profound, almost obsessive investment in her daughter and likening her to beautiful blondes who died tragically, such as Marilyn Monroe. This whole thing SCREAMS "drama queen." You keep asking me to show you some history. That's what I'm doing!

SD, Please post this in the theories thread. If you don't it will get lost in the shuffle... It does not need to get lost. It needs to remain be front and center on this forum. Please post it on the theory thread...We need it there!

 

[BBB167893]

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SD, Please post this in the theories thread. If you don't it will get lost in the shuffle... It does not need to get lost. It needs to remain be front and center on this forum. Please post it on the theory thread...We need it there!

No need. It's on another thread anyway. Besides, it's not a motive theory, it's more like a psychological one.

I'm sure everyone remembers my earlier outburst? I'd rather not have a return engagement.

 

[DeeDee249]

I'm not the one claiming that any Ramsey denied that JonBenet ate any amount of pineapple before going to the White's home.

Boy- stay offline for a day or two and 22 pages on the pineapple?
Just read PR's depositions. She denied not only that JBR ate pineapple, she claimed she put the pineapple bowl away. Her housekeeper claimed none of the Rs ever put anything away. At first she denied even owning the bowl, which was shown on a table in photos of her Dec. 23rd party.
Try reading Dr. Cyrll Wecht's book on the case as well. He describes the process of digestion of the pineapple and approximated the time of death based on where it was in her digestive tract. Digestion doesn't vary much by age. But digestion is a metabolic activity and all metabolism stops at death. Food does not continue to move through the digestive tract after death and after the cells stop receiving oxygen. Food does not "leap frog" over each other based on digestibility. The food eaten closest to her death would be in the upper part of her digestive tract. In the stomach- death occurred less than an hour. In the small intestine (where the pineapple was ) within 2 hours of death. The soft green fecal material in her lower digestive tract would have been whatever she ate at the White's or earlier in the day.

 

[coloradokares]

Something tells me that living w/ a person like Patsy WAS an endless series of dramas & melodramas.

I bet he used that word to describe their life even BEFORE JB turned up dead in the basement.

More like a train wreck going from location to location to re occur

 

[LI_Mom]

More like a train wreck going from location to location to re occur

In a way, I think Patsy's outlandish personality appealed to John but I think most of the time he probably found her & her family overwhelming & not his cup of tea.

 

[angelwngs]

In a way, I think Patsy's outlandish personality appealed to John but I think most of the time he probably found her & her family overwhelming & not his cup of tea.

According to him, she spent three months in Michigan the summer before JBR was murdered. Three months... That is when he went home to Boulder and couldn't get in without his key and had to break into the basement window..(Yeah Right)

Replay all the intervews we watched on tv in your head... Fast forward them...

He sits beside her as if he is the actor with the fewest lines in the play. She is in the lead role and she is the director as well, IMO.

 

[trixie]

[B]Boy- stay offline for a day or two and 22 [/B]pages on the pineapple?
Just read PR's depositions. She denied not only that JBR ate pineapple, she claimed she put the pineapple bowl away. Her housekeeper claimed none of the Rs ever put anything away. At first she denied even owning the bowl, which was shown on a table in photos of her Dec. 23rd party.
Try reading Dr. Cyrll Wecht's book on the case as well. He describes the process of digestion of the pineapple and approximated the time of death based on where it was in her digestive tract. Digestion doesn't vary much by age. But digestion is a metabolic activity and all metabolism stops at death. Food does not continue to move through the digestive tract after death and after the cells stop receiving oxygen. Food does not "leap frog" over each other based on digestibility. The food eaten closest to her death would be in the upper part of her digestive tract. In the stomach- death occurred less than an hour. In the small intestine (where the pineapple was ) within 2 hours of death. The soft green fecal material in her lower digestive tract would have been whatever she ate at the White's or earlier in the day.

That's because the pineapple is still the "big bugaboo." Always will be IMO.

 

[angelwngs]

Boy- stay offline for a day or two and 22 pages on the pineapple?
Just read PR's depositions. She denied not only that JBR ate pineapple, she claimed she put the pineapple bowl away. Her housekeeper claimed none of the Rs ever put anything away. At first she denied even owning the bowl, which was shown on a table in photos of her Dec. 23rd party.
Try reading Dr. Cyrll Wecht's book on the case as well. He describes the process of digestion of the pineapple and approximated the time of death based on where it was in her digestive tract. Digestion doesn't vary much by age. But digestion is a metabolic activity and all metabolism stops at death. Food does not continue to move through the digestive tract after death and after the cells stop receiving oxygen. Food does not "leap frog" over each other based on digestibility. The food eaten closest to her death would be in the upper part of her digestive tract. In the stomach- death occurred less than an hour. In the small intestine (where the pineapple was ) within 2 hours of death. The soft green fecal material in her lower digestive tract would have been whatever she ate at the White's or earlier in the day.

Untarnished Truth is a beautiful thing.

 

[Ames]

I'm not an expert or anything BUT I kind of think beheading a child in a basement might be a tad messier than simply bashing her in the head & strangling her. A even a bit more than even your AVERAGE criminal is going to undertake under ANY circumstances.



Kidnappers who change their mind.... TAKE their note & don't chance being tied to the scene of the kidnapping turned murder.

You know...I don't know where everybody is getting that she was "bashed" in the head, anyway. I posted a website in the past that said that children's heads can get a serious fracture by falling off a bike! That tells me that it would not have had to have been a head bash. She could have been thrown against something, to have caused that fracture and displacement of her skull.

 

[LI_Mom]

Bashed or thrown... JB had a serious head injury & most likely caused by violent causes.

What we don't know is whether it was intentional or an accident.

 

[Ames]

Bashed or thrown... JB had a serious head injury & most likely caused by violent causes.

What we don't know is whether it was intentional or an accident.

I agree! IMO..it was totally an accident.

See below link...a child fractured his skull from just falling over from a sitting postition and hitting his head on his rattle...it also caused bleeding on the brain.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E4DA1538F934A25752C1A961958260&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FE%2FEappen%2C%20Matthew