Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

[Ames]

Yay!!!! What do I win????

And DON'T say pineapple. lol

Fruitcake??

 

[Ames]

Holdon, for years you've asked me to find something in the Ramseys' history, something before the murder. I think I have! JB wasn't just redressed, she was dolled up! Her hair was put in ponytails and a spangly star top was on her. Patsy Ramsey dolled her up for pageants. Who else BUT her mother would CARE to put that much effort into redressing a corpse? Follow me? This whole thing SCREAMS "drama queen." You keep asking me to show you some history. That's what I'm doing!

Could someone else help me to elaborate on this before I LOSE MY TEMPER AGAIN?

Care? You got that right! Who else but her mother...would make sure she has clean underwear on? Why would an intruder give a rat's patootie about that? Who else but her mother...would place the longjohns BACK on her. Why would an intruder give a horses behind, if she is redressed in her longjohns? And who else but her mother...would "wrap her lovingly papoose style" (and for all of you IDI's out there...those are John's words...not mine.) I also believe that Patsy's "drama queen-ness" came out in the re-dressing. Heaven forbid she leave her daughter without any clothes on, in that dark basement. And you know as well as I do...that an intruder would have never taken the time to have done all of that, nor would he have cared.

 

[robotdog]

Fruitcake??

$118,000 ?:crazy:

 

[Ames]

$118,000 ?:crazy:

LOL...wow.....I want to win!!!!

 

[LI_Mom]

I agree! IMO..it was totally an accident.

See below link...a child fractured his skull from just falling over from a sitting postition and hitting his head on his rattle...it also caused bleeding on the brain.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...ference/Times Topics/People/E/Eappen, Matthew

I wonder how the age of a child affects things like this... as we get older our skulls become harder, don't they?

But I always figured the skull fracture was unintended & led to the rest of the events.... the only question was WHO fractured her skull.

 

[robotdog]

LOL...wow.....I want to win!!!!

here is something else thats crazy - what is this all about ?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
16 TOM HANEY: Well, this photo 12OTET8 was on
17 your roll of file in your camera. And on the
18 same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning
19 photo of the kids.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Oh, God.
21 TOM HANEY: Before we, before we talk too
22 much about the next photo, if you can --
23 TRIP DeMUTH: You want to just take that
24 out for a minute?
25 TOM HANEY: Let's talk still about the
0528
1 120TET. Like I say, this was on your role of
2 film and it's not exactly the same photograph
3 that was taken by the police.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
5 TOM HANEY: But it's, it's, it shows --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
7 TOM HANEY: -- pretty much, I guess, or can
8 you tell me when that would have been taken?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue why
10 anybody would take a picture like that. I don't
11 know (inaudible). Who took the picture?
12 TOM HANEY: Well, it's on your roll --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: It's on my --
14 TOM HANEY: -- of film on your camera.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.

 

[LI_Mom]

Care? You got that right! Who else but her mother...would make sure she has clean underwear on? Why would an intruder give a rat's patootie about that? Who else but her mother...would place the longjohns BACK on her. Why would an intruder give a horses behind, if she is redressed in her longjohns? And who else but her mother...would "wrap her lovingly papoose style" (and for all of you IDI's out there...those are John's words...not mine.) I also believe that Patsy's "drama queen-ness" came out in the re-dressing. Heaven forbid she leave her daughter without any clothes on, in that dark basement. And you know as well as I do...that an intruder would have never taken the time to have done all of that, nor would he have cared.

I could buy that a stranger would redress her.... with what she was wearing. I find it ridiculous to think some intruder goes back upstairs to get replacement panties.

Unless Patsy was lying about the panties & JB was wearing them that night?

OR they were in the dryer... stuck together w/ the blanket & the Barbie nightgown??? How convenient for Mystery Intruder.

OR were the kids downstairs.... maybe Burke was playing dressup in his sister's clothes? Now THAT might push Patsy or John's buttons.... or maybe not. lol

 

[Ames]

I wonder how the age of a child affects things like this... as we get older our skulls become harder, don't they?

But I always figured the skull fracture was unintended & led to the rest of the events.... the only question was WHO fractured her skull.

You are RIGHT!!! Children's skull are thinner and more softer than an adults. That's why a child can fracture his skull by simply falling off a bike. I will see if I can find that website again too. It doesn't take a heck of alot of force to fracture a child's skull....OR to displace part of it. The RST wants everybody to believe that it had to have been a big, strong, grown man...that came down extremely hard with an object...to have caused that injury. But that is not the case. I also believe that it was an accident. I know that AT FIRST...Patsy said that JB was put to bed wearing a red turtleneck, but then later changed her story, to the white gap shirt that she wore to the Whites. A red, turtleneck was balled up on the bathroom counter. (JB wouldn't have put it there, because she put everything that she took off, on the FLOOR!) When Patsy was shown a picture of that turtleneck, she broke down during the interview, and she had to take a 15 min. break. I believe that JB WAS wearing that red turtleneck, when she went to bed...after eating the pineapple, and she wet the bed, getting her red turtleneck wet. I believe that Patsy, being tired from the day's festivites, and trying to pack for a trip that she she admitted that she did not want to go on....was NOT a happy camper...to say the least. Turtlenecks are very hard to take off...especially on a child. I believe that Patsy grabbed JB up...and dragged her to the bathroom. She went to JERK off the turtleneck, yanking and pulling...etc. I believe that THIS is when JB was accidently slung into either the side of the tub, the sink...or the toilet, causing the head wound. I believe that she was knocked unconsious....had a faint, undetectable heartbeat..and was most likely bleeding from her nose, ears, or mouth...or all the above (I posted a thread about this several months ago, severe headwounds cause this type of bleeding). Patsy thought that she was dead...and so the saving of her butt began. Right before my mom died, her heartbeat was so faint that even the hospice nurse could not detect it, but we knew that she was alive...because she was talking to us! NOW...if her eyes had of been closed...and she was bleeding from her mouth, etc...and we couldn't detect a heartbeat...we would have all assumed that she was dead. The difference though...is that we wouldn't have had the need to stage a crime scene.

 

[LI_Mom]

here is something else thats crazy - what is this all about ?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
16 TOM HANEY: Well, this photo 12OTET8 was on
17 your roll of file in your camera. And on the
18 same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning
19 photo of the kids.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Oh, God.
21 TOM HANEY: Before we, before we talk too
22 much about the next photo, if you can --
23 TRIP DeMUTH: You want to just take that
24 out for a minute?
25 TOM HANEY: Let's talk still about the
0528
1 120TET. Like I say, this was on your role of
2 film and it's not exactly the same photograph
3 that was taken by the police.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
5 TOM HANEY: But it's, it's, it shows --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
7 TOM HANEY: -- pretty much, I guess, or can
8 you tell me when that would have been taken?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue why
10 anybody would take a picture like that. I don't
11 know (inaudible). Who took the picture?
12 TOM HANEY: Well, it's on your roll --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: It's on my --
14 TOM HANEY: -- of film on your camera.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-ransomnote.htm

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth in Colorado

NE Book Page 247-248:

(Notations in italics by Don Gentile and David Wright from 'The files of the National Enquirer: "Patsy was shown photos taken off a roll of film that John Ramsey turned over to the police in the hours before JonBenet's body was found. The roll was in the camera he used to take pictures that Christmas. To get the film to the end of the roll, John snapped off the lasts few shots. In doing so he inadvertently photographed the wet bar near the foot of the spiral staircase. The photo showed a black and red scarf left on the sink counter there. Patsy couldn't say whether it was John's scarf or one she had given out as gifts to the men who attended the Ramsey Christams party on the 23rd.")

Patsy Ramsey: "...This (scarf) just looks strange to me...."

Tom Haney: "Well, this photo... was on your roll of film in your camera. And on the same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning photo of the kids.

Patsy Ramsey: "...Oh God."

(Notations in italics by Don Gentile and David Wright from 'The files of the National Enquirer: "It was the first time Patsy had seen the photo. She broke down in tears down at this point. After she regained her composure, the questioning continued. The photo John Ramsey had taken of the wet bar area, also showed a table near it. On it were two white lined legal pads. One of them had been used to write the ransom note. It was the same pad that contained Patsy's doodles, other writings and the so-called practice ransom note."

Tom Haney: "Like I say, this was on your roll of film and it's not exactly the same photograph that was taken by the police."

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh"

Tom Haney: "And this legal pad that you --"

Patsy Ramsey: "Right."

Tom Haney: "--Identified--"

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Tom Haney: "-- do you know when that would have been in that position?

Patsy Ramsey: "No. So this, this was taken before...?"

Tom Haney: "Before the police photos... do you recognize that pad?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah, but we had a lot of those around... I bought like those at Office Depot's of Office Max or whatever they are and I usually kept a bunch of them, you know, kept them over here, right about here in the kitchen."

Tom Haney: "By the telephone?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah, but you know, they float all over."

Trip DeMuth: "So it wouldn't have been unusual to be where it is?"

Patsy Ramsey: "No. No. Gosh."

Tom Haney: "Just a second, okay?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Tom Haney: "So would this particular note pad be, belong to somebody in particular or --"

Patsy Ramsey: "No, not necessarily."

 

[Ames]

here is something else thats crazy - what is this all about ?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
16 TOM HANEY: Well, this photo 12OTET8 was on
17 your roll of file in your camera. And on the
18 same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning
19 photo of the kids.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Oh, God.
21 TOM HANEY: Before we, before we talk too
22 much about the next photo, if you can --
23 TRIP DeMUTH: You want to just take that
24 out for a minute?
25 TOM HANEY: Let's talk still about the
0528
1 120TET. Like I say, this was on your role of
2 film and it's not exactly the same photograph
3 that was taken by the police.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
5 TOM HANEY: But it's, it's, it shows --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
7 TOM HANEY: -- pretty much, I guess, or can
8 you tell me when that would have been taken?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue why
10 anybody would take a picture like that. I don't
11 know (inaudible). Who took the picture?
12 TOM HANEY: Well, it's on your roll --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: It's on my --
14 TOM HANEY: -- of film on your camera.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.

RiverRat started a thread over at FFJ about this. Nobody really knows what the picture is of, but many speculate that when the police asked John to turn over his camera, he had to use up the roll first. So he just began taking random pictures. Speculation is...that one of the pictures had the pad that the RN was written on, on it. But, when the police took a picture of that same area, the RN pad was not there. Its as if, somebody....one of the Ramsey's...placed it back on the table where it came from. But, I don't think that's what it is, because Patsy acted to shocked for that to be it. I mean, those last lines of that interview..."Who took the picture"..."Well, its on you roll--", says to me..that it was way much more than a writing pad.

 

[pixies]

yeah very easy.

Mom fed it to JB before she killed her.

 

[BBB167893]

Care? You got that right! Who else but her mother...would make sure she has clean underwear on? Why would an intruder give a rat's patootie about that? Who else but her mother...would place the longjohns BACK on her. Why would an intruder give a horses behind, if she is redressed in her longjohns? And who else but her mother...would "wrap her lovingly papoose style" (and for all of you IDI's out there...those are John's words...not mine.) I also believe that Patsy's "drama queen-ness" came out in the re-dressing. Heaven forbid she leave her daughter without any clothes on, in that dark basement. And you know as well as I do...that an intruder would have never taken the time to have done all of that, nor would he have cared.

Yes, I remember my Mum harping on that "clean underwear" business when I was a kid. Clean underwear, spangly star top, hair done up...

 

[Ames]

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-ransomnote.htm

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth in Colorado

NE Book Page 247-248:

(Notations in italics by Don Gentile and David Wright from 'The files of the National Enquirer: "Patsy was shown photos taken off a roll of film that John Ramsey turned over to the police in the hours before JonBenet's body was found. The roll was in the camera he used to take pictures that Christmas. To get the film to the end of the roll, John snapped off the lasts few shots. In doing so he inadvertently photographed the wet bar near the foot of the spiral staircase. The photo showed a black and red scarf left on the sink counter there. Patsy couldn't say whether it was John's scarf or one she had given out as gifts to the men who attended the Ramsey Christams party on the 23rd.")

Patsy Ramsey: "...This (scarf) just looks strange to me...."

Tom Haney: "Well, this photo... was on your roll of film in your camera. And on the same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning photo of the kids.

Patsy Ramsey: "...Oh God."

(Notations in italics by Don Gentile and David Wright from 'The files of the National Enquirer: "It was the first time Patsy had seen the photo. She broke down in tears down at this point. After she regained her composure, the questioning continued. The photo John Ramsey had taken of the wet bar area, also showed a table near it. On it were two white lined legal pads. One of them had been used to write the ransom note. It was the same pad that contained Patsy's doodles, other writings and the so-called practice ransom note."

Tom Haney: "Like I say, this was on your roll of film and it's not exactly the same photograph that was taken by the police."

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh"

Tom Haney: "And this legal pad that you --"

Patsy Ramsey: "Right."

Tom Haney: "--Identified--"

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Tom Haney: "-- do you know when that would have been in that position?

Patsy Ramsey: "No. So this, this was taken before...?"

Tom Haney: "Before the police photos... do you recognize that pad?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah, but we had a lot of those around... I bought like those at Office Depot's of Office Max or whatever they are and I usually kept a bunch of them, you know, kept them over here, right about here in the kitchen."

Tom Haney: "By the telephone?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah, but you know, they float all over."

Trip DeMuth: "So it wouldn't have been unusual to be where it is?"

Patsy Ramsey: "No. No. Gosh."

Tom Haney: "Just a second, okay?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Tom Haney: "So would this particular note pad be, belong to somebody in particular or --"

Patsy Ramsey: "No, not necessarily."

Wonder why that part was left out of her interview, that is posted on acandyrose? I don't remember reading that. But, now that I have...I do remember people saying that it was a picture of a scarf. Why would she act so strange about it?

 

[LI_Mom]

Yes, I remember my Mum harping on that "clean underwear" business when I was a kid. Clean underwear, spangly star top, hair done up...

Dave, gee your mom dressed you funny. lol

 

[LI_Mom]

Wonder why that part was left out of her interview, that is posted on acandyrose? I don't remember reading that. But, now that I have...I do remember people saying that it was a picture of a scarf. Why would she act so strange about it?

Isn't the 'problem' the notepad????

Boy, this case is SO confusing. lol

 

[Ames]

Yes, I remember my Mum harping on that "clean underwear" business when I was a kid. Clean underwear, spangly star top, hair done up...

I agree. I believe that she was originally wearing that red turtleneck that Patsy says..AT FIRST... she put her to bed wearing. (Then OF COURSE...she changes her story). I believe that the "spangly star top" (LOL) was part of her re-dressing. You know...Patsy says in her interview..that JB usually wore her hair in a ponytail when she went to bed. Well, she was found wearing ...either two or three...can't remember how many....ponytails. Patsy never did say, in her interview...if SHE is the one that put the ponytails in JB's hair or not (we all know she did). Well, if SHE (says she) didn't do it...then when would JB been able to have done it? She was ASLEEP when she came in from the White's (I don't buy that), are we to believe that the "intruder" ALSO placed her hair in those ponytails?? I woinder if he did that before or after he redressed her? (insert wide open rolling eyes here)

 

[BBB167893]

Dave, gee your mom dressed you funny. lol

Oh, that's a scream, LI Mom!

To be honest, I was afraid my wording would be interpreted that way.

 

[BBB167893]

I agree. I believe that she was originally wearing that red turtleneck that Patsy says..AT FIRST... she put her to bed wearing. (Then OF COURSE...she changes her story). I believe that the "spangly star top" (LOL) was part of her re-dressing.

Yeah, that's where I was going to end up, Ames.

You know...Patsy says in her interview..that JB usually wore her hair in a ponytail when she went to bed. Well, she was found wearing ...either two or three...can't remember how many....ponytails. Patsy never did say, in her interview...if SHE is the one that put the ponytails in JB's hair or not (we all know she did). Well, if SHE (says she) didn't do it...then when would JB been able to have done it? She was ASLEEP when she came in from the White's (I don't buy that), are we to believe that the "intruder" ALSO placed her hair in those ponytails??

I think I've made my point.

 

[Ames]

Isn't the 'problem' the notepad????

Boy, this case is SO confusing. lol

Gee...I don't know...LOL Maybe the problem IS the notepad. But, Patsy says that she had many of them, and that they "floated all over". So, I don't know why she would have acted so strange about that picture.

 

[LI_Mom]

Oh, that's a scream, LI Mom!

To be honest, I was afraid my wording would be interpreted that way.

Just so you know... if I get the chance, I'll pounce on amusing wording like that. I can't control myself sometimes. lol