Has Your Opinions of Ron's Involvement Changed?***POLL ADDED***

[Concerned Papa]

There are serial and other killers who are not physically imposing. Arohn Kee is just one example. At 5'8" he is not physically large. (However, in contrast, Kee is intelligent, reasonably articulate, and seemingly personable, which aided his murderous endeavors.) And no, I am not comparing Ron to a serial killer. I'm saying that, imo, a man does not have to be physically imposing to be dangerous.

moo

I have lived around and for a time amongst some dangerous characters. There are those who "talk the talk" and others who "walk the walk". Generally speaking it has been my experience that the "talkers" are more of a danger to themselves than others.

I view Ronald Cummings as a talker.

 

[kant]

The idea that poor Misty and Tommy would be capable of naming a possibly innocent individual (JO) as the one who placed a screaming HaLeigh in a black bag in the MH where they placed themselves in order to protect Ron, makes both of them much more dangerous to me than visibly crazy-azz Ron. Just MO.

I see your point, but the difference for me is that an accusation of someone can be rescinded, dealt with legally, deemed unfounded, etc as the case may be. However, if a person goes off, ape-s*** crazy and physically harms someone, the injuries can be permanent, or worse - the result can be death.

moo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I absolutely believe drugs played a part in Haleigh's disappearance and I believe something was either accidental or revenge against Ron because of DRUGS. So as I cannot eliminate drugs being a major factor in his lifestyle, I haven't changed my mind a bit. ALL, JMO

I believe drugs were a part of this in a peripheral way but do not think it was the reason for Haleigh's disappearance. I have no doubt that all three parties were doing drugs at the time.

I think the reason goes much deeper than that. I think it was because someone came there looking for a gun and didn't find it and that same person had already been humiliated by Ron earlier concerning their first unsuccessful attempt in trying to steal another gun.

They returned to the home to steal the other gun from him and once again they came out losers when the gun wasn't there.

Then this person became enraged with an ax to grind against Ron Cummings. Imo, Haleigh woke up as the house was being ransacked and yelling was probably going on and she threatened to tell her daddy. And then the perp went ballistic and most likely strangled Haleigh to death.

IMO

 

[kant]

I have lived around and for a time amongst some dangerous characters. There are those who "talk the talk" and others who "walk the walk". Generally speaking it has been my experience that the "talkers" are more of a danger to themselves than others.

I view Ronald Cummings as a talker.

I agree those folks exist. I know; but... you're also a man and a much better match, I imagine, for walkers AND talkers such as Ron.

Additionally, his history with females is disturbing since more than one reported being hit by him and being fearful.

Also, he seems to end up in documented physical altercations (fights) more than the average person I know.

His brushes with child protective services was daunting news and imo speaks to his choosing to handle certain situations with physical force (such that it is, since a child is no match for an adult male of whatever average size.)

He has brandished weapons from time to time.

He has threatened violence (on audio tape and other venues)

And was the famous deceased rodent of Rat-Gate headless? Regardless, those are hostile acts and spell dangerous dude for me if for no other reason than he seems to have poor impulse control, anger issues, questionable - if any - respect for women other than his mother, bad judgment, an inflated sense of entitlement, and he's no stranger to the legal system. Considering these elements together, I'd be leery of him.

moo

 

[dodie20]

Just a reminder: Misty could not get the death penalty for anything Haleigh related. She was a minor when that crime occurred.

but what if she was tried as an adult?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have lived around and for a time amongst some dangerous characters. There are those who "talk the talk" and others who "walk the walk". Generally speaking it has been my experience that the "talkers" are more of a danger to themselves than others.

I view Ronald Cummings as a talker.

I do too.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

I believe drugs were a part of this in a peripheral way but do not think it was the reason for Haleigh's disappearance. I have no doubt that all three parties were doing drugs at the time.

I think the reason goes much deeper than that. I think it was because someone came there looking for a gun and didn't find it and that same person had already been humiliated by Ron earlier concerning their first unsuccessful attempt in trying to steal another gun.

They returned to the home to steal the other gun from him and once again they came out losers when the gun wasn't there.

Then this person became enraged with an ax to grind against Ron Cummings. Imo, Haleigh woke up as the house was being ransacked and yelling was probably going on and she threatened to tell her daddy. And then the perp went ballistic and most likely strangled Haleigh to death.

IMO

If Tommy's & Misty's stories are close, there's just got to be more to why Joe took Haleigh. I can't see someone getting enraged over a targeted theft not being available. Now, if Ron was hiding a gun that he had stolen from Joe? maybe. I can at least understand the frustration. or if Ron had offered the gun as a payment for a drug debt? maybe. Dealers do have their own set of laws when it comes to pay up time. But I'm just not believing that a foiled robbery attempt, caused this man to retaliate, by taking a child. That's crazy & risky, & I don't think someone who was that enraged & crazy, could just shut it off, & have the presence of mind, to pull off a successful disposal & cover-up. I would think that he'd still be raging & crazy. & then leave town the next day? scheduled departure or not, I would think he would be compelled, by these unscheduled events, to stick around & make sure his intimidated witnesses stayed intimidated.

 

[Snowbunny]

that's a horrible story. I used to not believe in the death penalty, so much, because the whole set-up is unfair. Some states have it, some don't, people DO get railroaded, politicians use it for leverage, minorities are unfairly targeted, money talks, imates are left on death row for decades, & some DO change, just to be killed anyway, etc...I just don't like it. But sometimes, some monster comes along who's just pure evil, & I think they're better off dead. I don't think I feel that way about any of these people, & when the death penalty gets brought up in this case, I just get kind of queasy. If Ron did have something to do with this, I think it was an accident, Misty IMO, was just a kid, & I'm a little more on the fence about the others. I want some proof. So yes, my opinion of Ron has changed, but so have my opinions of the others. Now, I see how immature & not based in reality, they all are. & that makes me feel really sorry for them, because I don't think they 'get' the severity of their situations. except for Ron.

Dodie, I don't like the idea of the death penalty either, but in some cases such as as the one I explained to you about or another one such as Jeffery Dommers, I could understand it. I know that Jeffery Dommers was killed in prison, but if they had sought the death penalty there I could understand it. I think what happened to HaLeigh was an accident and not premeditated, but if its proved that any of these players were involved in what happened to HaLeigh then I hope they seek life in prison without the posibility of parole. I only believe in the death penalty if it is a premeditated heinous murder, which I don't think this case is. For all we know, HaLeigh could have died from a asthma attack that went undetected and then when they found her it was too late and they panicked because they probably thought she injested a pill or something and the coverup began.

 

[Maia]

but what if she was tried as an adult?

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Even though a juvenile aged 16 or 17 may be tried as an adult in criminal court in some states, a juvenile cannot be put to death in any state due to the decision in Roper v. Simmons.

http://www.ncsconline.org/wc/courtopics/FAQs.asp?topic=CapPun#FAQ207

 

[mck16]

I agree those folks exist. I know; but... you're also a man and a much better match, I imagine, for walkers AND talkers such as Ron.

Additionally, his history with females is disturbing since more than one reported being hit by him and being fearful.

Also, he seems to end up in documented physical altercations (fights) more than the average person I know.

His brushes with child protective services was daunting news and imo speaks to his choosing to handle certain situations with physical force (such that it is, since a child is no match for an adult male of whatever average size.)

He has brandished weapons from time to time.

He has threatened violence (on audio tape and other venues)

And was the famous deceased rodent of Rat-Gate headless? Regardless, those are hostile acts and spell dangerous dude for me if for no other reason than he seems to have poor impulse control, anger issues, questionable - if any - respect for women other than his mother, bad judgment, an inflated sense of entitlement, and he's no stranger to the legal system. Considering these elements together, I'd be leery of him.

moo

I have a hard time believing MC was scared of him if she went out on 3 day drug benders and then returned home. Also according to some reports she frequently left the mobile home when RC was at work and he knew it. Supposedly that is why he called so many times that evening. jmo

 

[mck16]

snipped:

Even though a juvenile aged 16 or 17 may be tried as an adult in criminal court in some states, a juvenile cannot be put to death in any state due to the decision in Roper v. Simmons.

http://www.ncsconline.org/wc/courtopics/FAQs.asp?topic=CapPun#FAQ207

So, is this determinatin based on the age at the time the crime was committed or when charges were filed?

 

[debs]

Nope. His child was, and will always remain, a possession that he owned. You know, like shoes, or a bike.

 

[Emeralgem]

If Tommy's & Misty's stories are close, there's just got to be more to why Joe took Haleigh. I can't see someone getting enraged over a targeted theft not being available. Now, if Ron was hiding a gun that he had stolen from Joe? maybe. I can at least understand the frustration. or if Ron had offered the gun as a payment for a drug debt? maybe. Dealers do have their own set of laws when it comes to pay up time. But I'm just not believing that a foiled robbery attempt, caused this man to retaliate, by taking a child. That's crazy & risky, & I don't think someone who was that enraged & crazy, could just shut it off, & have the presence of mind, to pull off a successful disposal & cover-up. I would think that he'd still be raging & crazy. & then leave town the next day? scheduled departure or not, I would think he would be compelled, by these unscheduled events, to stick around & make sure his intimidated witnesses stayed intimidated.

Dodie, I recall reading or hearing on NG that Tommy stated Jo went ballistic when he walked into the bedroom and saw that Haleigh was deceased...

For some unknown reason that litte tid bit of information has never again been released... but it doesn't sound like Jo killed Haleigh...unless he and Ron had a shoot out...JMO

Wait a sec..Maybe there was a struggle over the gun or a showdown and Haleigh got caught up in the middle and was shot but they don't know who is responsible for the gun going off or they don't know who shot her...Is that possible?

 

[Maia]

So, is this determinatin based on the age at the time the crime was committed or when charges were filed?

mck16, I am not an attorney, and by no means practicing law here, but it is my understanding and belief that it is determined based on the age at the time the crime is committed. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I disagree. I would be very afraid of Ronald Cummings. His temper and his ego makes him very dangerous. Ron sees himself as the King who deserves whatever he wants and no one has the right to refuse him anything. If anyone dares to refuse Ron or do anything that Ron considers is a slight, no matter how little, even just telling him no, Ron feels humiliated. That humiliation feeds his anger and he gets angrier and angrier and angrier.

What really makes him "dangerous" is that he is smart enough to know that he is not man enough to "fight" fair. He fights dirty in every way. Not only uses "weapons" but he does sneak attacks. He catches the person completely off guard so by the chance you realize that there is a problem, he has the upperhand. Thatis the only way there is no chance of him losing and having to face more humiliation.

All this is my opinion but based on Ron reminding me of several guys I knew including one family member.

I would definitely not be afraid of Ron either but I'm wise enough to know that you need to deal with Ron in a way that Ron understands. If I had to face Ron I would be armed and I would not be hesitant to protect myself and would let him know that. A person would be an idiot to face him without protection, you can bet that he would be carrying protection. Ron would be totally lost without his piece.

 

[bessie]

I believe drugs were a part of this in a peripheral way but do not think it was the reason for Haleigh's disappearance. I have no doubt that all three parties were doing drugs at the time.

I think the reason goes much deeper than that. I think it was because someone came there looking for a gun and didn't find it and that same person had already been humiliated by Ron earlier concerning their first unsuccessful attempt in trying to steal another gun.

They returned to the home to steal the other gun from him and once again they came out losers when the gun wasn't there.

Then this person became enraged with an ax to grind against Ron Cummings. Imo, Haleigh woke up as the house was being ransacked and yelling was probably going on and she threatened to tell her daddy. And then the perp went ballistic and most likely strangled Haleigh to death.

IMO

I assume you're referring to the argument over a gun that Ron mentioned to Cobra. The incident at Hank Sr's house when Hank forced Joe to return the gun to Ron. Yep. I agree that could've led to a showdown and events played out just as you stated. I like the way you stated "the perp" because in my opinion, Misty is just as likely to have gone ballistic on Haleigh as Joe, especially if Haleigh became so frightened she wet her pants. In what I believe was Misty's state of mind that night, being faced with a gun-stealing cousin; a crying, complaining Haleigh; wet sheets; and a "pee blanket" could've thrown her over the edge.

 

[lonetraveler]

Dodie, I recall reading or hearing on NG that Tommy stated Jo went ballistic when he walked into the bedroom and saw that Haleigh was deceased...

For some unknown reason that litte tid bit of information has never again been released... but it doesn't sound like Jo killed Haleigh...unless he and Ron had a shoot out...JMO

Wait a sec..Maybe there was a struggle over the gun or a showdown and Haleigh got caught up in the middle and was shot but they don't know who is responsible for the gun going off or they don't know who shot her...Is that possible?

Hey Emeralgem, I remember reading or hearing this as well but it was a while back and I haven't seen it since. :waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

I have a hard time believing MC was scared of him if she went out on 3 day drug benders and then returned home. Also according to some reports she frequently left the mobile home when RC was at work and he knew it. Supposedly that is why he called so many times that evening. jmo

It is not like Misty was staying with Ron and decided to go on a three day bender and then return. There was one helluva fight between Ron and Misty when Misty showed Ron a positive pregnancy test. Ron went berserk on Misty and ended up rolling her into a ball and squeezing her to make her abort any baby she might be carrying. Took her to her brother's house, kicked her out and left. Later on dumped all her clothes on Nay Nay's lawn. Quiet a different story, huh? People keep posting that Misty was kinda running around on Ron those three days.............really? It kinds looks to me that Ron literally "dumped" her out after abusing the hell out of her. I think the relationship was ended at that particular time.

 

[Emeralgem]

I assume you're referring to the argument over a gun that Ron mentioned to Cobra. The incident at Hank Sr's house when Hank forced Joe to return the gun to Ron. Yep. I agree that could've led to a showdown and events played out just as you stated. I like the way you stated "the perp" because in my opinion, Misty is just as likely to have gone ballistic on Haleigh as Joe, especially if Haleigh became so frightened she wet her pants. In what I believe was Misty's state of mind that night, being faced with a gun-stealing cousin; a crying, complaining Haleigh; wet sheets; and a "pee blanket" could've thrown her over the edge.

Bessie, IIRC The LVA Misty took revealed there was no "pee" blanket...
I'm also choosing to believe Tommy's attorney when he stated Tommy said Haleigh was deceased many hours before that 911 call was ever made..

 

[debs]

I have a hard time believing MC was scared of him if she went out on 3 day drug benders and then returned home. Also according to some reports she frequently left the mobile home when RC was at work and he knew it. Supposedly that is why he called so many times that evening. jmo

If only we could answer the question about why people return to their abusers. We'd solve a lot of crime.