Have you changed your mind about this case?What Caused the change?

[NighTillDawn]

Let me play devil's advocate

Suppose Casey knew a bunch of people that you and I might consider dirt-bags. They come and go, sponge off people, live on people's couches then disappear, petty crime, all that stuff.

Say she gave Caylee to one of these dirt-bags for whatever reason. Said dirt-bag could easily go to Mexico from the first day Casey left Caylee in their possession.

It would be easy for someone who is this type of dirt-bag to disappear and not raise any eyebrows.

You know Tricia, I was thinking almost the same exact thing. Let's say hypothetically speaking, that ZFG has Caylee, or this " friend ". My first thought was, Mexico. There isn't much coverage in a country like that, especially in the slum areas, so not seeing the news reports wont have the person running for a telephone to report that they have Caylee and they were given the child by Casey to take with them. People have said Puerto Rico, and that's also a possibility. Could someone have possibly flew with Caylee to Puerto Rico and drop her off at someone's house. Maybe they were told that the child was in danger and had to stay put. It's easy to get Caylee a ticket with a different name on it. No one checks identification for domestic flights. My question: do we know anyone who frequents this forum who is from Mexico or Puerto Rico?

raying: for Caylee

 

[TimeWillTell]

At first, I thought she killed Caylee and agreeing with most of the people on this site. But I don't know anymore. I am posting what I put on the newbie thread earlier this week. This is how I have changed my thinking lately...

There are several posts in Jesse G. thread ( which is now closed by the mods) but there is Renae that claims she saw Caylee. I am not sure of all the details but she went to the FBI and LE about this, I think she also spoke directly to CA about this as well.

I find everything really odd, especially seeing Caylee in I believe it was Georgia. Jesse G moved to Athens, I found that there are several Grund members in Athens, and outside of Atlanta. If any of you live in rural communities, I am sure you could see how a child can be hidden and homeschooled. Isn't it just a little funny that Casey doesn't seem concerned at all, Jesse quit the police department, Casey called his cell on the 16th, there were airport pings on the 17th, and now there is someone that claims she is certain she saw Caylee alive? Could by chance Casey has been involved or witnessed another death? And called Jesse to help her hide her daughter? Also because Jesse thought he was the dad for the first 10 months, he loves that little girl and I am sure he would do anything to protect her as well. If I were involved in anything where my childs life had been threatened, I would in a heartbeat hide my child and not say a word to LE in attempts to make it appear my child was not around. Especially if someone plans to harm my child. I would do exactly what Casey is doing by not speaking to LE in attempts to allow my child to be out of harms way, in the same way I would take a bullet for my children.

This may be far fetched. But I am trying really hard to see different aspects to this case. Something's up, there doesn't seem to be evidence that she killed her child and unless she really is a cold blooded killer, she doesn't seem the least concerned about the whereabouts of her child or her well being. I think because Casey knows her child is alive and she is in fact ok.

Okay, but if that's the case then she could've just told her mom "I got in some trouble and we are in danger so I sent Caylee with Jesse, if we call the police she will be killed, she is safe now and you can call her and talk to her if you want." rather than sitting in the car while her mom calls the police and tells them that her grandaughter has been missing and she's not sure of her daughters involvment!

 

[NighTillDawn]

At first, I thought she killed Caylee and agreeing with most of the people on this site. But I don't know anymore. I am posting what I put on the newbie thread earlier this week. This is how I have changed my thinking lately...

There are several posts in Jesse G. thread ( which is now closed by the mods) but there is Renae that claims she saw Caylee. I am not sure of all the details but she went to the FBI and LE about this, I think she also spoke directly to CA about this as well.

I find everything really odd, especially seeing Caylee in I believe it was Georgia. Jesse G moved to Athens, I found that there are several Grund members in Athens, and outside of Atlanta. If any of you live in rural communities, I am sure you could see how a child can be hidden and homeschooled. Isn't it just a little funny that Casey doesn't seem concerned at all, Jesse quit the police department, Casey called his cell on the 16th, there were airport pings on the 17th, and now there is someone that claims she is certain she saw Caylee alive? Could by chance Casey has been involved or witnessed another death? And called Jesse to help her hide her daughter? Also because Jesse thought he was the dad for the first 10 months, he loves that little girl and I am sure he would do anything to protect her as well. If I were involved in anything where my childs life had been threatened, I would in a heartbeat hide my child and not say a word to LE in attempts to make it appear my child was not around. Especially if someone plans to harm my child. I would do exactly what Casey is doing by not speaking to LE in attempts to allow my child to be out of harms way, in the same way I would take a bullet for my children.

This may be far fetched. But I am trying really hard to see different aspects to this case. Something's up, there doesn't seem to be evidence that she killed her child and unless she really is a cold blooded killer, she doesn't seem the least concerned about the whereabouts of her child or her well being. I think because Casey knows her child is alive and she is in fact ok.

That could be a possibility Rebecca. With this case, anything is possible. I am pissed that LE hasn't checked more into Jesse G and is just taking everyone's word that they don't know where Caylee is and who has her.

raying: for Caylee

 

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Okay, but if that's the case then she could've just told her mom "I got in some trouble and we are in danger so I sent Caylee with Jesse, if we call the police she will be killed, she is safe now and you can call her and talk to her if you want." rather than sitting in the car while her mom calls the police and tells them that her grandaughter has been missing and she's not sure of her daughters involvment!

Because Casey seems like the type of person that would rather rot in jail, then let her mom have her way. Again, I was only trying to see things from another angle, trust me if Caylee is ever found alive, then I will be on here first saying SORRY, I WAS WRONG!

 

[Silk]

I live in SC near where Susan Smith drowned her sons. At least she had to decency to fake a cry.

The minute I heard on the news, "Missing child not reported by mother for 31 days", I felt another mother had killed her child. What I have seen since only reinforces that for me.

 

[RebeccaAdrianne]

That could be a possibility Rebecca. With this case, anything is possible. I am pissed that LE hasn't checked more into Jesse G and is just taking everyone's word that they don't know where Caylee is and who has her.

raying: for Caylee

Me as well NighTillDawn, me too. Things between them just don't add up at all. If she was into Tony, than why keep talking to the ex- about hanging out. Part of me feels like they still have a connection, and he still loves Casey, even if he has another girlfriend. He was heartbroken when he learned Caylee was not his, especially if he was there for her birth. I totally see him helping Casey in any means he can. JMO

 

[manatee]

:clap:

Okay, but if that's the case then she could've just told her mom "I got in some trouble and we are in danger so I sent Caylee with Jesse, if we call the police she will be killed, she is safe now and you can call her and talk to her if you want." rather than sitting in the car while her mom calls the police and tells them that her grandaughter has been missing and she's not sure of her daughters involvment!

YES! YES! YES! :clap::clap:

 

[NighTillDawn]

I haven't changed my mind. I think many who have have possibly gotten caught up in all the details of the case (true or false) and have lost sight of the simple facts. Casey never reported her daughter missing and never indicated to her parents who raised them both that her daughter was 'missing'. As Casey said, it's not her fault she was arrested, it was Cindy's 'fault'.

Defense attorney's are correct to remind us that there is a difference between a person who lies and a person who murders.

I counter with the fact that there is a difference between a person who lies and a mother who lies while her baby is missing. A big difference.

I know i'm making a spectical of myself, so please forgive me. Yes, it is Cindy's fault know why? After Cindy found Casey without Caylee, Cindy third degreed Casey as to Caylee's whereabouts. Casey wouldn't tell her. Cindy threatened Casey that she was going to call 911, which is exactly what she did. Cindy probably thought that Casey would spill the beans as to Caylee's whereabouts, but she didn't. If you listen closely to the end of the first 911 call, you will hear Cindy speaking with Casey. Cindy is telling Casey that she will go to court ( I guess to get custody of Caylee ), and then you hear Casey faintly in the background saying " give me one more day " and Cindy says " i've given you a month ". So yes, in Casey's mind, it's all Cindy's fault she is in this mess because Cindy called the police on her.

raying: for Caylee

 

[jat]

This case is like no other. If the dogs didn't hit on the trunk and the backyard, I'd be more willing to think she may be alive...but dogs dont lie.

You know, the dog hits are the only reason I can't force myself to sway to the other side. However, sometimes misinformation is put out there on purpose to sway potential jurors, public opinion, etc. I don't think that is the case with the dogs, but heck, what do I know???

 

[NighTillDawn]

:clap:


YES! YES! YES! :clap::clap:

Revenge. Casey had a fight on the 15th with Cindy and George remember? If it was over the custody of Caylee, then Casey took Caylee and could have done anything with her. Killed Caylee, i'm almost 99.9 percent sure of that. It's that 1% that i'm not sure of.

raying: for Caylee

 

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Perhaps, I just can't bear to believe she killed that precious baby. And that's OK. I am not trying to get anyone else to change their view, nor have I tried to. I am just trying so hard to think that she's not deceased. And even she is, Casey didn't do it outright, maybe an accident hidden, now spun completely out of control. If it were an accident, and Casey is lurking on here then SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT CALLING 911!

 

[Annbelle]

No, I have not changed due to this info:
Not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days--
The cadaver dogs(even though LP insists cadaver dogs make mistakes.)
911 call --"it smells like a dead body has been in the damn car"
borrowed shovel (from a 22 year old most definitely NOT the gardening type)
the gas cans stolen from the shed
dated photos surfacing showing mom partying and having a great time at Fusian
some of the early recorded phone calls--
LE not commenting
Involvement of the bounty hunter, spokesman, and now Geraldo.
The constant and non stop stream of lies.
Yesterday CA supposedly telling her attorney she is innocent--innocent of what? She is compulsive liar; now she expects to be innocent?

another thought-school for UCF and local students usually ends at the end of May beginning of June. The ones who graduated may be living elsewhere now.
Some of the "friends" may be back at home or on vacation during the summer.
School starts again next week
Look like many of the party friends and people she hung out are/were students.
Since many may have left for the summer LE may not have enough info to find/question other people
FINDING LITTLE CAYLEE IS ALL THAT MATTERS[/FONT][/SIZE]

 

[distracted]

There are several posts in Jesse G. thread ( which is now closed by the mods) but there is Renae that claims she saw Caylee. I am not sure of all the details but she went to the FBI and LE about this, I think she also spoke directly to CA about this as well.

I find everything really odd, especially seeing Caylee in I believe it was Georgia. Jesse G moved to Athens, I found that there are several Grund members in Athens, and outside of Atlanta. If any of you live in rural communities, I am sure you could see how a child can be hidden and homeschooled. Isn't it just a little funny that Casey doesn't seem concerned at all, Jesse quit the police department, Casey called his cell on the 16th, there were airport pings on the 17th, and now there is someone that claims she is certain she saw Caylee alive? Could by chance Casey has been involved or witnessed another death? And called Jesse to help her hide her daughter? Also because Jesse thought he was the dad for the first 10 months, he loves that little girl and I am sure he would do anything to protect her as well. If I were involved in anything where my childs life had been threatened, I would in a heartbeat hide my child and not say a word to LE in attempts to make it appear my child was not around. Especially if someone plans to harm my child. I would do exactly what Casey is doing by not speaking to LE in attempts to allow my child to be out of harms way, in the same way I would take a bullet for my children.

Rebecca, this is the only other scenario that has given me pause. I can believe that Casey would give her to JG or Ricardo to punish Cindy. So, while I haven't changed my mind about Caylee still being alive, I would not be surprised to learn that this is how it played out.

 

[cynsational]

This is exactly what they want. They want you to have reasonable doubt so if murder charges are filed without a body it will be hard to get a conviction.

 

[Mountainmama87]

The only thing I have changed my mind on is the grandparents. I went from feeling such deep sympathy for them to feeling as vile and disgusted about them (if not more) than Casey. At first I felt they just wanted to hang onto hope that their little grandaughter was alive and my heart seriously wept for them. Now...I believe they know what happened and to top that I even suspect they are playing a huge part of covering it up. My heart felt sympathy for them has changed to utter disgust....

 

[January.]

The only thing I've changed my mind about is George and Cindy. I feel bad for them now. I don't think they had anything at all to do with covering up. I think they are just in complete denial and can't imagine that their own daughter would do anything to harm Caylee. Seeing the first video of George flipping out really changed my view of them. I saw his pain then.

 

[January.]

The only thing I have changed my mind on is the grandparents. I went from feeling such deep sympathy for them to feeling as vile and disgusted about them (if not more) than Casey. At first I felt they just wanted to hang onto hope that their little grandaughter was alive and my heart seriously wept for them. Now...I believe they know what happened and to top that I even suspect they are playing a huge part of covering it up. My heart felt sympathy for them has changed to utter disgust....

That's funny, we completely swapped our views of the grandparents.

 

[Mountainmama87]

That's funny, we completely swapped our views of the grandparents.

Yeah, that is funny. I wish like crazy I could see it your way. Really, I do. But could see the shock more at first. But now...I just can't see them staying in denial. And I sure as HE__ can't see them allowing her back into their home without some serious...WHAT IS GOING ON???? Time will tell...it may take years...but their is no statute of limitations on murder. I pray this is one time I am so dead wrong.

 

[Jolynna]

Let me play devil's advocate

Suppose Casey knew a bunch of people that you and I might consider dirt-bags. They come and go, sponge off people, live on people's couches then disappear, petty crime, all that stuff.

Say she gave Caylee to one of these dirt-bags for whatever reason. Said dirt-bag could easily go to Mexico from the first day Casey left Caylee in their possession.

It would be easy for someone who is this type of dirt-bag to disappear and not raise any eyebrows.

It would.

BUT, if that happened there would be a mother left frantic with worry trying to find her baby.

I also cannot justify feeding false information to LE.

IMO

 

[Mountainmama87]

Let me play devil's advocate

Suppose Casey knew a bunch of people that you and I might consider dirt-bags. They come and go, sponge off people, live on people's couches then disappear, petty crime, all that stuff.

Say she gave Caylee to one of these dirt-bags for whatever reason. Said dirt-bag could easily go to Mexico from the first day Casey left Caylee in their possession.

It would be easy for someone who is this type of dirt-bag to disappear and not raise any eyebrows.

It's a thought. But for dirt-bags that live a life off petty crime, I think that reward money would speak volumes and they would have come up with a way to "find" Caylee by now. If this is the case though, at least she(CA) will still get what 6 years(?) for being negligent. And Caylee hopefully a family that cares a little more about her.