HCPD contacts Florida LE about skeletal remains that were found

[Lovejac]

My belief is that by LE stating they were watching/tracking/etc the M's during that period of time - that it was probably monitoring bank accounts, phones, etc. I don't believe they had officers follow them 24/7 nor follow them all the way to Florida and back. I could be wrong....

I remember reading an article saying that LE had contacted other LE where they were traveling.

I cant even begin to try to search for it . I'm in thd mountains with no electronics (other than my phone) and I can barely read, let alone search, lol!

Does anyone else remember this?

 

[melodyl]

I remember reading this somewhere also. I'm unsure where and when it was reported though. I'll look later and see if I can find it.

I also want to comment on the reason why FL may be keeping the ID under wraps if the remains are Heather. I would think that they'd keep it under wraps because they do not want a change in venue. If these remains turn out to be Heather I seriously doubt that there would be one person in Horry County that would not think with absolute certainty that the Mororers were the ones that put her there. That would be the proverbial nail that sealed the Moorer's coffins

 

[Makaroni]

I really think if this was known to be Heather, authorities would say so; they really can't have people possibly conducting private searches for someone who has been located. Searching is far too dangerous.

Are they even still searching?? It seems to be quiet lately .. Especially on the family's part ...

 

[Makaroni]

Sadly, I think that whatever happened to Heather was over and done with before anybody even knew she was missing. I think that's why TM had that smug smirk when she appeared on camera. She thought she was really getting away with something.

I don't think they had help. I think wherever she is, it's within the distance somebody could drive that night and the next day. Deland seems to be in that radius.

^^^ This!! I think she was gone .. Disposed .. Ugh hate that .. Before it was "known" she was even missing ... hurts my heart ... RIP Heather.. Prayers for her loved ones.

 

[Dr. Know?]

They haven't released discovery but there's a motion for it. Maybe we will hear more than we never wanted to know. An unsettling feeling for me from their defense. jmo

I'm having too hard of time posting here. I don't know why. Don't have the time to search for the reason either. I don't need to post, there's no pay involved, lol. jmo

 

[Motherof5]

I remember reading an article saying that LE had contacted other LE where they were traveling.

I cant even begin to try to search for it . I'm in thd mountains with no electronics (other than my phone) and I can barely read, let alone search, lol!

Does anyone else remember this?

I remember reading that too but I agree with Hoppy. They claimed to have guns pointed at them and people shooting at them but LE wasn't there for that.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

^^^ This!! I think she was gone .. Disposed .. Ugh hate that .. Before it was "known" she was even missing ... hurts my heart ... RIP Heather.. Prayers for her loved ones.

Makaroni, I agree with you and carbuff. The time span between the cc cameras of the alleged Moorer's truck on the way to PTL was approx 3 minutes. There was only 1 minute time span between cameras on the way back from PTL. (going from memory here and don't have a link, sorry) Anyway, this indicates to me that there was a sense of urgency and whoever was driving that truck was in a panic.

IF these remains are Heather's, I theorize they drove back to the Moorer compound and handled 'things' from the camper because the children would have been in the house. Then Heather was placed in the tool box of the truck and transported to FL by one of the Moorer's while the other stayed home with the kids. JMO

I think poor Heather was ambushed the moment she set foot in that truck. RIP Heather.

 

[rtjedarling]

and if the remains are Heather, could be SM took their route to Fl, then half-aXXed dumped her by the road, and told TM he hid her well, which was why TM was so cocky.

 

[Motherof5]

and if the remains are Heather, could be SM took their route to Fl, then half-aXXed dumped her by the road, and told TM he hid her well, which was why TM was so cocky.

I think that is very possible but I would wonder why FL? Why take Heather to a place that is right near their FL travel unless they were going there anyway? Why not take her to another state or take her to FL but put her away from their usual travel route. The fact that these remains were so close to their route to Disney makes me think that if this is Heather, she was dropped off on their way. However, in order for that to be the case, they would have had to keep her inside something and somewhere other than their property. I think they could have done it either way...that night or 3 weeks later. The article that I posted yesterday said that only the M's house,camper, ect, was searched. This makes me wonder about that white garage/shed thing behind the C's house. Ok I just looked again and the white building looks to be more behind the M's house so that was probably searched.

 

[Madeleine74]

LE doesn't fail to disclose that remains have been ID'd for "fear of causing a riot." There hasn't been one time I can think of in which info was withheld about a victim being discovered/ID'd because of concern about how a community would react. I think that's fanciful thinking. The reasons that I've seen in the various cases I've followed (and cases I haven't followed) have to do with being able to ID the remains (which is the job of the ME and forensic anthropologists). Remains could be lots of people as there are many missing persons. But ME's and anthropologists they bring in to work on a case are not about "could be's." Not everyone has left a DNA standard behind for a ME to compare remains to. And that causes a problem. In HE's case, they would have her DNA from multiple sources. They would have samples of her hair (from her hair brushes @ home), they would have a copy of her dental records (and fillings are not necessary to make a positive ID, though they can be helpful), they would have the DNA of both her parents and sister. All readily available sources. If they run DNA tests they would know if the remains were her or not.

Since the remains were discovered fairly close to Disney World (i.e. a direct path) then it would not be unheard of that Disney-related stuff would be common for people to have who were in that area. Just because these bones were found in MM sheets does not automatically rule in the M's and rule out everyone else.

As for the M's keeping a body for 3 weeks on or near their property so they could then take heavily decomposing remains on a road trip to FL in January, along with their children, is just not realistic. Why would anyone keep remains around if they had any other recourse? These are not necrophiliac serial killers who secretly want to collect body parts. More likely that the M's disposed of HE's body as soon as they could, probably within a couple hours of killing her. IMO.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Also the remains were uncovered after work crews were cutting back plant growth in the area. Who ever dumped this person in Deland didn't account for roadside workers cutting back brush in the area. Nor did they account for a good citizen picking up trash in the area. Moo

 

[Motherof5]

LE doesn't fail to disclose that remains have been ID'd for "fear of causing a riot." There hasn't been one time I can think of in which info was withheld about a victim being discovered/ID'd because of concern about how a community would react. I think that's fanciful thinking. The reasons that I've seen in the various cases I've followed (and cases I haven't followed) have to do with being able to ID the remains (which is the job of the ME and forensic anthropologists). Remains could be lots of people as there are many missing persons. But ME's and anthropologists they bring in to work on a case are not about "could be's." Not everyone has left a DNA standard behind for a ME to compare remains to. And that causes a problem. In HE's case, they would have her DNA from multiple sources. They would have samples of her hair (from her hair brushes @ home), they would have a copy of her dental records (and fillings are not necessary to make a positive ID, though they can be helpful), they would have the DNA of both her parents and sister. All readily available sources. If they run DNA tests they would know if the remains were her or not.

Since the remains were discovered fairly close to Disney World (i.e. a direct path) then it would not be unheard of that Disney-related stuff would be common for people to have who were in that area. Just because these bones were found in MM sheets does not automatically rule in the M's and rule out everyone else.

As for the M's keeping a body for 3 weeks on or near their property so they could then take heavily decomposing remains on a road trip to FL in January, along with their children, is just not realistic. Why would anyone keep remains around if they had any other recourse? These are not necrophiliac serial killers who secretly want to collect body parts. More likely that the M's disposed of HE's body as soon as they could, probably within a couple hours of killing her. IMO.

Realistic ? Nothing about the M's is realistic. They have proven that they will do pretty much anything....pretty much whatever they want to do. We now know that they are not at all the people that they pretended to be. They clearly didn't take their children into consideration when they killed a person so I don't see them considering their children when they dispose of their victim. I put nothing past either one of them. JMO

 

[Delta Dawn]

If this is Heather, I believe she would have been hidden in 'plain sight' until disposed of. LE came calling on the 19th but it wasn't a search warrant look so it isn't like they opened all the closets and drawers and looked in the crawl space or attic, etc. Most campers have storage access that you can get to from outside the camper as well as inside. With SM having remodeled this camper completely, I wouldn't be surprised if there are even more storage places that the casual observer would never even notice, especially if that person wasn't familiar with campers. I know we never heard of dogs hitting on the camper, but I still feel it was involved in some way.

 

[cluciano63]

Didn't LE or ME say they looked like they had been there at least a year? I know the person who found them said it but thought someone else concurred. If so, I would tend to believe them. Imo there is a big difference between three months and a year, even in Florida.

 

[Madeleine74]

Realistic ? Nothing about the M's is realistic. They have proven that they will do pretty much anything....pretty much whatever they want to do. We now know that they are not at all the people that they pretended to be. They clearly didn't take their children into consideration when they killed a person so I don't see them considering their children when they dispose of their victim. I put nothing past either one of them. JMO

I'm talking about physical decay. Decomposing remains. Why would cadaver dogs fail to hit if remains were on/in/near that camper or in the house or on the M's property? Not realistic IMO (according to science). Decomp would be noticed and likely smelled by humans if remains had been there 48 hrs or more. Trained dogs could pick up a scent with remains left merely a few hrs.

 

[carbuff]

I think that is very possible but I would wonder why FL? Why take Heather to a place that is right near their FL travel unless they were going there anyway? Why not take her to another state or take her to FL but put her away from their usual travel route. The fact that these remains were so close to their route to Disney makes me think that if this is Heather, she was dropped off on their way. However, in order for that to be the case, they would have had to keep her inside something and somewhere other than their property. I think they could have done it either way...that night or 3 weeks later. The article that I posted yesterday said that only the M's house,camper, ect, was searched. This makes me wonder about that white garage/shed thing behind the C's house. Ok I just looked again and the white building looks to be more behind the M's house so that was probably searched.

People disposing of bodies tend to go to places they feel comfortable, so sometimes they'll drive quite some distance to get to an area they grew up in (what the serial killer in our area apparently did), an area they visit frequently, an area where they or a friend or relative has property (hunting cabins, for instance), and so forth. It's also pretty common for a murderer to think there's less chance of discovery if the body is far away from the murderer's location.

If the M's really have traveled from SC to Disney as often as it seems, they might feel very familiar with the roads and exits along the way and that might seem more comfortable to them than going inland in SC or something like that.

 

[Motherof5]

I'm talking about physical decay. Decomposing remains. Why would cadaver dogs fail to hit if remains were on/in/near that camper or in the house or on the M's property? Not realistic IMO (according to science). Decomp would be noticed and likely smelled by humans if remains had been there 48 hrs or more. Trained dogs could pick up a scent with remains left merely a few hrs.

I would assume,as I've stated before....IF the M's...please notice the large IF....if the M's took Heather to FL on their way to Disney,they would need to put her somewhere AWAY from their property and get her on their way down for all of the obvious reasons. I wasn't suggesting that they kept Heather in their camper for 3 weeks and then had their kids sit beside their victim all the way to FL but thanks for the..."according to science" I would never have known this had you not added that comment to your post.

 

[Motherof5]

People disposing of bodies tend to go to places they feel comfortable, so sometimes they'll drive quite some distance to get to an area they grew up in (what the serial killer in our area apparently did), an area they visit frequently, an area where they or a friend or relative has property (hunting cabins, for instance), and so forth. It's also pretty common for a murderer to think there's less chance of discovery if the body is far away from the murderer's location.

If the M's really have traveled from SC to Disney as often as it seems, they might feel very familiar with the roads and exits along the way and that might seem more comfortable to them than going inland in SC or something like that.

All true. Very good points!!

 

[Motherof5]

Didn't LE or ME say they looked like they had been there at least a year? I know the person who found them said it but thought someone else concurred. If so, I would tend to believe them. Imo there is a big difference between three months and a year, even in Florida.

The person who found them did say that and in early articles,they reported not being able to tell how long the remains were there or when the person died. I don't think they mentioned it in the latest article either. Anyone know?

 

[Surfside]

I think that is very possible but I would wonder why FL? Why take Heather to a place that is right near their FL travel unless they were going there anyway? Why not take her to another state or take her to FL but put her away from their usual travel route.

2 reasons that I can think of. 1. People go where they know. They do what is familiar to them. 2. Criminals are stupid.